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01-10-2013, 05:41 AM
yeah i saw this as well, pretty raw for an EU state.
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01-10-2013, 05:50 AM
Given that 50% of policemen in Greece vote for the radical neonazi party of Golden Dawn this is hardly a surprise.Actually violence is on the rise in Greece from both immigrants,police,radical left and radical right.
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01-10-2013, 05:57 AM
I've come to the opinion that police will always be somewhat fascist in their world-views - it's almost part of the job - they have to work and deal with shitty behavior and because they lack the intellectual depth (face it, most policemen are basically lower-class), they can't discern random from biased sampling.
Anyways, this is what you get when a liberal-progressive elite ignores for decades the laws of human nature, whether it's economics, culture, or what have you.
Welfare states, uninhibited third-world immigration, radical liberalism. If they had done their job and not destroyed the country, this would be a non-issue.
The consequences of liberal policies on steroids (as we have seen in the West for decades now) is not just economic collapse and decline. It's the far more insidious and dangerous reactionary backlash untempered by more insightful and non-populist conservatism.
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01-10-2013, 06:17 AM
Immigrants by and large are considered responsible for the crisis by a large percentage of Greek population.So when they see a coloured their intentions are not the best to say the least.Government came under force by radical right activists to employ deportation of illegal immigrants.The situation is quite complex.
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01-10-2013, 06:22 AM
European liberals will soon have to face that you can have either open borders or a welfare state. It is impossible to have both at the same time.
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01-10-2013, 06:46 AM
Exactly this is the trick.The welfare state is not possible without the cheap labour of illegal immigrants.This is the reason the left parties are in favour of mass immigration.The other reason is the hope to get the votes of the immigrants when they get citizenship.
Capitalist parties are also in favour of the immigrants since they produce profits for the big business.
So the only antiimmigrant formation is the radical right that is why neonazis have become so popular they have pressed every other side to support illegal immigration openly or hiddenly.
It is very complex situation and an explosive one due to crisis effects.(many people attribute their unemployment state to cheap illegal labour).
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01-10-2013, 06:51 AM
Exactly this is the trick.The welfare state is not possible without the cheap labour of illegal immigrants.This is the reason the left parties are in favour of mass immigration.The other reason is the hope to get the votes of the immigrants when they get citizenship.
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01-10-2013, 09:02 AM
Greeks are famous around Europe for many things, Hospitality to the 'right' kind of tourist, attempting to chat up peoples women as soon as they go to the toilet, great places to eat the cuisine they learnt about from Turkey, and an all round charisma and friendly nature that is missing from many western European countries. They are also known for racism dishonesty corruption and tax dodging. Greece needed a bailout because of Greek people and politicians being dishonest nothing more or less but like all countries that have hard times they decide to blame the immigrants.
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01-10-2013, 09:38 AM
I have a feeling that Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. This going to spread to other EU countries as they go through the same pains Greece does. As unemployment rises, the blame will be deflected onto immigrants.
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01-10-2013, 12:46 PM
Governments cannot support leeching citizens. and that's what happens in greece (and many other EU countries).
Several come to work, do something, while others come to leech and reap social benefits without producing. Unfortunately, due to the human mind, we take the worst example as norm.
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01-10-2013, 12:58 PM
Can't also ignore the fact that Greece is very uncompetitive compared to Germany and Northern Europe, and their average productivity and education level is much lower. The attitude that Greeks take towards immigrants is the same way that they're viewed by the more efficient Northern European economies. So I'm amused by their claims that immigrants are responsible for their fiscal disaster.
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01-10-2013, 01:02 PM
Quote: (01-10-2013 09:26 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:
Quote: (01-10-2013 07:31 AM)nomis69 Wrote:
Quote: (01-10-2013 06:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
Immigrants by and large are considered responsible for the crisis by a large percentage of Greek population.So when they see a coloured their intentions are not the best to say the least.Government came under force by radical right activists to employ deportation of illegal immigrants.The situation is quite complex.
Serious?
Why not Goldman Sachs and other Elite Banksters and corrupt puppet politicians within?
Because the average man on the street doesn't have a handle on how the banking system works and besides how do they vent their anger on a bank? On the other hand they can see an immigrant and easily vent their anger on them. Also there is no doubting that unchecked immigration is putting strain on European countries however the targets of people's anger should not be the immigrant himself who is merely doing what we would all do if we lived in a hopeless shit hole,but instead the politicians who have allowed it to go on.
One of my old former History professors in uni who wrote extensively about fascism put forward the theory that the Far Right is actively supported and encouraged by the banker and capitalist elites and industrialists as a way of dividing the working classes and deflecting attention away from their own misdeeds by either inventing and identifying enemies of scapegoats. Just as the Jews did in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, Irish in the UK and US in the 19th and early 20th centuries, dark skinned immigrants fit the bill nicely. He used the example of the Italian Corporate state under Mussolini (1922-43), the coming together of the state and big business along with suppression of political parties and trade unions and the cosy relationship between the Industrialists and bankers in Nazi Germany (1932-45). The original Nazi Party of the 1920s was very much anti-capitalist in nature and it was only after the elimination of Ernst Rohm and the SA in the Night of the Long Knives did the NSDAP fully accept and was co-opted by the capitalist class.
Of course little mention is made by populist Far Right forces like Golden Dawn of the banking, political elites and family dynasties in both PASOK and the ND parties who ran Greece into the ground for decades and encouraged widespread crony capitalist corruption and mass tax evasion among the general population. The Greek elite have long since withdrawn their billions to Switzerland and are waiting in the wings to buy up the infrastructure of the country for a song and become the new neo-feudal masters over an indebted and enslaved population.
The only way for Greece to come out of this is to reboot the entire system, i.e. default, reintroduce the Drachma and change the entire economic and political system.
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01-10-2013, 01:10 PM
The irony is that those same European governments that cry about illegal immigrants, won't take up the blame for blasting the economies of said illegal immigrants back into the stone age or stop being a destructive force in the development of those developing countries. Subversion and natural resource hoarding, in addition to many other factors propogated by multinationals and the governments of countries in which those multinationals reside have led to this. Its rational that immigrants would head to Europe where they have loose cultural ties(like language from being colonized), as seen in many African countries for example. Of course these factors are almost never discussed and completely overlooked in most cases.
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01-10-2013, 05:39 PM
Quote: (01-10-2013 05:21 AM)flyfree1980 Wrote:
I just came across this today. To all asian looking or african american before you decide to go to greece
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20958353
I cant believe even when people vouch for an academic they continue. even US state dept issued a travel warning for tourist mistaken as illegals.
The worst part is handcuffed and punched. wow seems like its not some isolated incident. I even experianced a milder form of racism but i ignored as one case.
tourists will avoid Greece and the economy will sufer even more
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01-10-2013, 07:15 PM
Desperate times = desperate measures
At the end of WWI, the treaty of Versailles started the downfall of Germany leading to hyperinflation. This has allowed an individual like Hitler to come to power eventually. Not saying Greeks have their own "final solution" but the leaders need to be weary of history repeating itself on a smaller scale.
Greeks are fighting for the preservation of their culture and livelihood. Being so close to the Muslim world and being in constant battles even dealing with the Cyprus issue, Muslim (arab,black) looking individuals my be targeted. The illegals come from cultures that don't mesh well with Greek culture. Nationalism brings people together in desperate times. It's leaning towards fascism unfortunately.
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03-09-2013, 09:49 AM
It really seems like you guys are just making up excuses for Greece. . .and that's just annoying. Everyone gets on Americans for all sorts of things, but when other people in other coutries do it much worse, it becomes: " oh its complicated" "it's not really the (insert national citizen's fault)"
I'm sorry but THERE IS NO EXCUSE for this! It's 2013 for crying out loud, in a EUROPEAN country! Yeah I know Greece is going through hard times, but wouldn't be a good idea to welcome tourists (and their money)instead of. . .beat them? I'm a person of color and really I don't intend to ever to go a place like this. I don't intend to sugar coat it and be like "yeah, if you're not white, you'll get beaten until you're hospitalized by the cops and nothing will happen to the cops, but hey it's not the geeks fault! It's the fault of the illegal immigrants, and the politics and bad economy!"
Are you guys fucking serious?
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03-09-2013, 10:49 AM
Quote: (03-09-2013 10:36 AM)tomtud Wrote:
Quote: (01-10-2013 09:02 AM)billy Wrote:
Greeks are famous around Europe for many things, Hospitality to the 'right' kind of tourist, attempting to chat up peoples women as soon as they go to the toilet, great places to eat the cuisine they learnt about from Turkey, and an all round charisma and friendly nature that is missing from many western European countries. They are also known for racism dishonesty corruption and tax dodging. Greece needed a bailout because of Greek people and politicians being dishonest nothing more or less but like all countries that have hard times they decide to blame the immigrants.
Racism exists in every country. Aside from that you hit the nail on the head. I just wonder if anybody on this forum cracked a Greek guy over the head when he did that weasel act of talking t his girl when he stepped away for a second?
I haven't, but did notice Emech has a lot of scars on his noggin'.