[Tully Mars]

Doc....Nice work, sounds like you enjoyed Bogota and your finding the same issues I had with Medellin......

I think you overlooked what I did say in my previous post or misinterpretted my comments.....

I do believe this is even possible with the higher end strata chicas as well, it's you just have to crack into their social circle and be accepted.....and part of that acceptance is your value, job, status, and most importantly do you live/work in the city/country.....

My point is being usually with the higher end Chicas they are going to be tougher to crack than the strata 3 or lower, especially for a guy here on a one/two week trip....I dont know when you met these girls, but you did say you spent 3 months in Bogota......that is not typical of most gringos traveling to Colombia, especially that long of a stay in Bogota.

I dont know if you have been to Cali yet, but I preferred the attitude of the Calientes over the Paisa's....way less gringos and looks wise they are both very hot....but again I could not live longterm in either city, to small for my tastes.....IMO both are great for 3-4 day long weekends.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-07-2013 11:20 AM)Doc Wrote:  

However, all three girls that I banged in Bogota where estrato 5 to 6 girls. Well I don't know the estrato lines exactly, but they all came from the rich Neighborhoods of the north, went to los Andes or Javeriana, and their families definitely were wealthy. One girls family for example owned multiple nice and big houses in and around Bogota (been to two of them personally), multiple cars, and the couple family members she told me about where all either small business owners or had good/high paying jobs.

All the girls where easy to approach and date (the Bang is another story entirely though... )

Some girl I dated (but didn't bang) was from a family that owned a metalworking factory, which I found pretty funny.

I think these girls are called 'Gomelos'... a Colombian friend told me my girls are all Gomelos... I think that's the word for rich kids from the north of Bogota, but not 100% sure of its meaning.

Again... just my experience...

How/where did you meet these girls?

[Doc]

Tully - I indeed overlooked the point where you say the most important thing is that you live/work in the city/country. In my experience this is very true and the duration of my stay certainly helped me a lot. And I completely agree with you that on a one/two week trip it will be difficult getting into the pants of higher class girls, unless you have some way to display super high value that will overcome the weakness of your short stay.

I don't even know how ppl can go to a completely foreign (non-western) city, not speaking the language and slay it in one week. Not saying it’s not possible, just saying that I don’t know how to do that. This is the reason why I usually stay longer in a place, unless I already go there with a girl or am only planning on doing the touristy stuff. The only way I can see someone doing that is by pipelining online in advance. But I'm not a big fan of online game, I enjoy all the stuff that comes with gaming for real.

And I strongly guess that high class beautiful girls don't do online dating, there's no incentive for them to do it.

Usually I need AT least a week to get halfway comfortable with a city. Especially if I run solo.
Hell the first day in a new city I feel really uncomfortable, have to get to know the layout of the city and all the important spots first. Settle in a little bit. Then I start to ramp up my game.

Great to read that you’re planning on living in both BKK and Bogota in the future. I love Asia too. That will be a killer combo.

Quote:

How/where did you meet these girls?

Okay G, here's my breakdown of the girls & situations for you. This will be long and slightly pornographic, but you asked for it, so here ya go:

First: I had a really cool pad in an estrato 6 neighborhood. Also I'm not a backpacker (nothing against backpackers, did that too when I was a young gun and on a tight budget).
I'm a sophisticated traveler and I sport a good style and good manners.

Also I managed to find a two good wingman quickly, I was pretty lucky in that department. I tend to have better success with a wingman then solo.

I'm not gonna rate my girls. Well I guess I have in my other thread but now I think its better not too, because the 1-10 scale is very subjective. Well if you're curious how I would rate them, I can edit my post later.

Bangs, FBs, and other assorted stuff.

So first weekend and during the second week I got ZERO. Nada.
Then I got to know in the second week in the weekend FB Nr.1. It was in Zona Rosa, Next to Carulla 85 there's this street with tons of clubs. So in one of the clubs we got into, don't remember which one, but it was near the coq, I spot this cute blonde shortie kinda watching me sideways. I go up there and start dancing, and I'm pretty good at dancing (not salsa though). Dance game and making out. She was in a group full of girls, and they weren't cockblocking.

Then I meet her next Friday again with her friends in Poropompero (or some such, don't remember the name exactly.) It's near the same street I meet her in. If you walk from the archies next to Atlantis mall down to the 85, it's in one of the side streets. So I make a good impression with her male and female friends. Kissing continues. In some quite moments when nobody can see I press her hand against my crotch, and she likes that.

Then I see her next Sunday for lunch near my place, tell her about my awesome pad. Tell her It's super near the restaurant, tell her she should see it etc. Finally she asks me if I can show it to her. As soon as the doors closed her hand goes to my crotch and we get it on. So it took me three dates (the night I met her + 2 meetings) to get the bang.

Saw her another couple of times. We fuck. She was a cool girl, from the beginning I got that 'I don't want anything real serious' vibe from here, which I just love, because I like my girls uncomplicated. I just let it phase out after a couple more bangs and weeks and she was cool with that. I wouldn't be surprised if she was shagging or at least trying to attract other guys during my stint with her.

ONS: again Zona Rosa. This one was just pure luck. She was there with her friends on the street. Chat the group up. They take us to a club, I do dance game, making out. Later she takes me too some afterhours club near the autopista, don't even have a clue anymore where exactly. Partying in the club. I take her outside. Go to a dark corner, feel up her pussy, pull her pants down, stick my finger into it, she loves it, grabs for my crotch. She's hot and bothered.

I tell her we should take a cab to my pad. To my total surprise she agrees. Don't even know what she told her friends that where still inside. We go home. Fuck. She asks for a taxi home. Asks for my phone number. Never calls me. A Perfect ending in my book. More girls like that please.

But, in my experience, an ONS is really hard to get in Bogota. At least for me. Maybe other people have figured it out how. Was my only ONS. And I love ONS, especially if the girl doesn't call or bother you afterwards. Well expect if she's really really hot and a perv between the sheets, then I like to see her again.

Anyway, I just put this one down to sheer luck. Also while cute, she was more regular looking, which probably also helped a lot. She was looking for it and all I needed to do was to be persistent and pushy.

FB Nr.2 or well, it developed more into a girlfriend boyfriend situation meanwhile (I fucked up there with bad girl management) so GF Nr.1 or some such I guess.

Fourth week in Bogota I got to know her. She's the amiga of an amigo. Now this girl looks real fly. With heels, fiery red lips and all dressed up, she's a one cute doll. I'm there with the group, we're partying in Zona Rosa. I make my dance game. Tell her how beautiful she looks. Compliment game. Make her nice eyes. Dance game.

Finally the kiss. She tells me that she never does that usually (sure beautiful) and that she really likes me. I try to isolate and finally get her and another couple to another bar.

We make out more. We exchange FB and phone number. Fuck I don't even know how the dates exactly developed from there, but I did various stuff with her, and on the fourth date
(Including the day I meet her, so the night I meet her + 3 meetings more) I finally got to fuck her. I hang out with her more, she's a real doll. Fuck her more. Hang out more. I think she's got quite some feelings for me. I know the 'te quiero'-s fly easily here in Colombia. But still her feelings seem genuine. I think she would go crazy if she found out I'm fooling around with other girls.

I fucked up with stopping a girlfriend-boyfriend dynamic developing. Ah Fuck. Well anyway, I like this girl a lot too, and she has been nothing but real good, affectionate and loving to me.

Maybe I like her a little bit too much for my own good, so good thing I'll be leaving this place for another south American country eventually

Dates that I didn't bang. Gonna keep that short.

Nr.1: Girl from la Villa, on gringo Tuesday (I know only gringo chasers go to gringo Tuesdays, and I don't know what class the girls on gringo Tuesday belong to). Still the girl I met there came from a loaded family from what I could gather over the course of our dates. Face appeared kinda more Asian. I don't care, love Asians. That women could dance. I waste too many stupid dates with her.
She tells me I only want sex and she wants to get to know me (because I keep being persistent. Sure I want Sex, what kind of accusation is that. Stupid.). I eventually think it's not worth the pain and LJBF her. She continues to molest me with text messages. I ignore her.

Nr.2: the metalworking-factory-owning-family girl (She also drove a pickup-truck, seems fitting): Also in la Villa, but when they had some special electronic music event. This one’s a looker. Long black hair, big tits, big ass. Dated her only once. Judging from her situation and logistics and behavior I computed that it would take too long and was to unsure if the bang would happen,
Even if she was a looker. I made the decision to not pursue this one any longer.

Solid numbers that I didn't follow up on:

Nr.1 in the Irish Pub. Girl in big group. Keeps looking at me. Eventually sits near me. Strong IOI. Talk to her. She's interested. Guy from her group calls her hija de la malinche for talking to me. She's pissed at him and he just demolished his chances. Good riddance. Usually I found Colombian guys to be no cockblocks and real cool dudes. Play it cool and continue drinking aguardiente shots with my group. Her group goes, she stays. I go for the kiss. Phone number exchange. She sends me crazy texts that sound like I'm her long term boyfriend. Don't want clinchy psycho. Stop answering her messages. Still sometimes thinking of her awesome tits. Maybe I should have put up with her craziness.

Nr.2

Andres Carne de Res. I'm drunk with my group. Aguardiente (Sin azugar naturally) and Whiskey. Dance game with a really cute girl (well I was drunk, so take it with a grain of salt). Number exchange. Get nice texts. Do a little bit of texting. I already got too much on with other girls. Trying to get a quick and problem-free lay, writing her that I have to leave Bogota soon but would like to see her before I go, invite her to dinner near my place. Never get texted back. So sad.

That’s it I guess. Sums up my Bogota experience nicely. I Made out with a couple more girls in the clubs, but never followed up on those make outs. If you need more specific Info about Bogota nightlife PM me. I guess Tully knows a lot more than I do when it comes to Bogota though.

[thegmanifesto]

Doc -

Good breakdown. I am glad you omitted the girls "rating". That information is completely useless anyways.

How long were you there for?

Are you from Switzerland?

(05-03-2013 09:53 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

I politely disagree with this notion.....This brings me back to my key point on Colombia.....again my personal views...... I think Medellin is overplayed with gringos, and the novelty is long gone......In Bogota yes there are gringos, but it's such a massive city that some parts of the city you will rarely see gringos, and from my personal experience I often still get stared at like an alien on the calles in some barrios. I have girls in clubs wanting to take pictures with me like I am some kind of exotic animal in the zoo.

I dont necessarily believe it's about being american, more about being foreign exotic....the same would be true if I was at a nightclub in some midwest state and a group of Paisa's or Calientes strolled into a club or bar....they would be noticed because they look and carry themselves differently than the normal everyday population.

I do believe this is even possible with the higher end strata chicas as well, it's you just have to crack into their social circle and be accepted.....and part of that acceptance is your value, job, status, and most importantly do you live/work in the city/country.....

Yeah, I didn't experience any "exotic" value in Colombia.

Like zero. I didn't feel like people cared at all. And I am from one of the most famous places in America.

I will get more "exotic" value on the East Coast of America in NYC or Miami Beach than I did in Colombia (one trip to Cartagena and one trip to Bogota).

(05-03-2013 08:51 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

G - I think your high-class experience in bogotá does not jive with most peoples' middle-class experience. High class Colombians probably all have family in the US, have traveled here, etc. So it's not a big deal for them. The minimum wage in Colombia is less than 600,000 pesos a month, about $300 for those unfamiliar. A middle-class (stratus 3) salary might be something like 800,000-1.5 million pesos, about 400-700 dollars a month.

For people making that kind of money, foreigners of any type are a huge novelty. And because of American music/movies/tv, they have been tricked into thinking the United States is some kind of paradise. Middle class Colombians are certainly gringophiles.

Maybe, but it is not like my experience was "high-class" every second of every day.

What are you guys doing so you get chased down the street like the Beatles?

[Sonsowey]

I prefer Cartagena. I dont really have a racial precerence, but a lot kf guys dont like black or mixd girls. I think the mixed chicks of Cartagena are really cute, and theyre everywhere. In Medellin, I imagine you go there for parque lleras or el poblado. Its really blown up and girls think theyre hot shit there. Not easy, not impossible, but not easy.

Cartagena, there are way more normal cute chicks floting around. People are always dressed for summer. The regular chicks that you see working at a store or going about their busness, to me, were way cuter. Also, there are more tourists in Cartagena, so you can hit up girls from all over the world. Medellin has tourists too, but way more of them are horny gringo dudes, conpared to cartagena.

However, I think you should also consider Cali tok, if youre into girls of every shade. Probably better than either. Definitely the best weather and fokd out of the three (hot but not humid and full of mosquitos). I also thought the chicks and normal (non elite) bars were the best.

[Doc]

(05-08-2013 07:15 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Doc -

Good breakdown. I am glad you omitted the girls "rating". That information is completely useless anyways.

How long were you there for?

Are you from Switzerland?

Yeah I'm Swiss. I was in Bogota for three months. Like I wrote in my post farther above, in a non-western foreign country, especially when I don't speak the language very well, I find it very difficult to score in a 1-2 Week timeframe. I usually need some time to ramp up my game, this is why I prefer longer stays (unless I'm only there for sightseeing).

[Volk]

Current state of the hype train : Peaking like crazy

http://travel.cnn.com/worlds-sexiest-nat...hpt=hp_bn5

#3 had me laughing for a while!

[nomadicjoe]

Can anyone here that has spent a lot of time in Colombia, or currently lives there tell me about how potentially bad of an idea it is to where really nice clothes (no jewelry or flashing iPhone though, etc) in Zona Rosa, Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia? I ask because part of my game is wearing really sharp and badass business casual clothes (really nice collar shit, slacks, dress shoes). I get at least 10 times the attention, respect, and responses from women when dressed like this, and would like to utilize it in Colombia. I will wear a money belt and not carry a phone I care about losing. Getting mugged doesn't scare me if it doesn't result in physical harm (I know not to resist and instead be calm and cooperative), neither does losing some cash (I'll keep a bit in my pocket). I just don't want to end up f'ed up bad or dead. I know my question is unusual, but I really am curious. And I don't mind attracting gold diggers. I am good at beating them at their own game. Lastly, I should point out that I am white and have light hair. I certainly would be conspicuous while is intentional for chicas, but not scumbags. I think I know the answer to my own question here, but I don't want to accept it. I really want to be able to wear my sick as business clothes down there. Even just in short bursts while gaming chicks. Please advise if you feel you can provide me with good guidance on this situation.

[JayMillz]

Any CTG experts familiar with this apartment?

[xmlenigma]

^^ That's what I call Lifestyle of Player. Any girl will drop her pants