[thegmanifesto]

ManAbout,

I got where you are coming from. I guess I got my fill of 18 year olds at age 18-27. And I think a girl many times becomes more "attractive" with some time. Physical beauty is not 100% of the equation at least for me. (It still is probably 90%).

Things like family, social upbringing, class, relatablity, money play a role.

This is also applies to "dating" more than "swooping".

[docsedated]

Right On manabout, I agree with you on Gaming Younger/Difficult
girls but that is such a "Realtive term ". What is Difficult for me might not be difficult for you and I am on the forum to look for any angles that will help me and believe me all the responses above have been very helpful.

Thanks Y'll.

[ManAbout]

(04-07-2010 02:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

ManAbout,

I got where you are coming from. I guess I got my fill of 18 year olds at age 18-27. And I think a girl many times becomes more "attractive" with some time. Physical beauty is not 100% of the equation at least for me. (It still is probably 90%).

Things like family, social upbringing, class, relatablity, money play a role.

This is also applies to "dating" more than "swooping".

And I also get where you are coming from. However, there are many of us that got into the game late. Either we were very awkward growing up or as in my case, were in long term relationships for most of our 20s.

So, that brings us to where we are today. Learning game to get what has eluded us for most of our lives.

You have your preferences, and that is great. But, to say that a guy should avoid a certain age group because they are too much of a headache is really the antithesis of game. If anything, guys should be hitting those young ones even harder. No 30 year old is going to shit test you the way an 18 year old does. It's like, once you have learnt to drive a standard car, you can drive an automatic with your eyes closed.. almost.. LOL.

[exe]

well, Tiger starts gaming girls when theyŕe 14 years of age:

http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/04/07/...o-alabama/

[Quasi]

Its not about what you can get, but about the "she kept pissing me of with her stupidity" I just cant fucking help resent stupidity and I really dont care if I have no game with girls like that... I am beyond that.

And I disagree about your teory ManAbout, problem is when you calibrate your game after girls instead of woman, woman will think you are just wierd if you pull that shit you do on the girls. Besides that no so many perfect body 18 year olds around, the ones I date and check out closer isnt that amazing bodywise here, but sure, there are banging hot young girls in the clubs that would be worth swooping and not dating.

But Im mostly into the dating scene and there I have to TALK with them for a prolonged period, so unless you suffer from the same age related retardation, I can bloody well suggest to stay the hell away

[OGNorCal707]

Man I have decided I'm over trying to game the under 24 set, and I just turned 26. I am still struggling with my game development, but this thread is kind of interesting to me, because during my trip to Brazil (this past January) I pulled an 18 year old British girl and then a few days later a 34 year old Brazilian from Sao Paulo. Well in the case of these two, I think the cultural difference probably played as much or more of a role then their age differences, but I very much preferred the 34 year old. In both cases I didn't really need to "game" them in the traditional sense, I guess I just vibed and they were feeling my looks/style, but the 34 year old Brazilian was definitely way cooler, intelligent, and easy to connect with, other than just on a sexual level. Again, I guess this is to be expected, but I didn't really have to deal with the little games and shit tests that arose with the 18 year old girl on days 2-4 when we were on Ilha Grande, not to mention that the Brazilian woman was very accomodating to me and went out of her way to make me comfortable, happy, and take care of me so to speak (again this probably is very much a cultural difference).

Since I have gotten back over these past couple months, I regret to say that I have once again entered a very painful dry spell. I have been banging my head against the wall, dealing with the frustration of trying to game girls in my town, where there isn't a high percentage of cute women and the ones who are cute have waaay too inflated egos, and the bar scene is almost always 3 to 1 guys to girls. Anyways, I have been able to get a bunch of numbers, but really none have materialized to be much. I have had one 20 year old girl who I'd say would rank an 8 by this towns' standards, we have been hanging out on and off and talking a bunch over the past month. But man, I will tell you, it's been a major hassle, for only a little bit of play (tittie sucking/fingering) and no sex , she has been playing games, giving me the run around, being hot for me then completely cold, shit tests, etc., etc. It's like she is a little attention whore and get's off more from the attention that me and other guys give her, then actually have sex. I know she has had a bunch of other guys chasing her, but to play it cool and not seem needy I never really brought it up or questioned her about it. Anyways, the final straw for me was when she was out with me and a couple of my friends for my birthday, and just acted like a complete cunt, flirting with other dudes right in my face, insulting me, and totally dissing me when we did start to warm up and I tried escalating kino, after that I basically decided fuck this bitch! Anyways, sorry for the total rant here, I just needed to get this shit off my chest.

[lilactag]

2nd reply on this thread:
For me, it is not about age, at the end of the day, I get turned on or not by a FEMALE, maybe it is her looks, intelligence, age or whatever, if my bigheaded brain downstairs gives me the signal...i pursue.

Come dating, which I have not done since 2007, then it would need to be a balance between looks and intelligence, age-wise, she should be not much older than me (2 years max) but with younger ones, it will depend on her mental maturity.

[vicen]

I had a date with a 18 year old virgin (I'm 25) a couple of weeks ago, a solid 9.
She is very shy so i did 90% of the talk during the 3 hour date.

She was laughing all the time but at the same time keeping the distance between us and it was hard to even touch her.
I was sure i would be rejected if i tried to kiss her, but i did. Rejection never felt so relieving.

I happly ended the date after that.
Next.

[ManAbout]

I think this notion that you can have a better conversation with a 35 year old than an 18 year old is inaccurate.

First, when you are in pickup mode, you are just out there having fun, you are not discussing quantum physics or the Darwin's theory of evolution. You calibrate your conversation depending on the audience.

Second, it is very likely that a girl who is stupid at 18 is going to be stupid at 30 as well. I don't think you can judge a person solely on their age. Take two examples, one a 19 year old Harvard undergraduate and two a 30 year old supermarket cashier. Who do you think you would be able to have a better conversation with? I would pick the 19 year old Harvard student. It all comes down to a person's innate abilities, coupled with their education and upbringing.

There are many, many stupid 30 year old women out there and conversely many younger ones who have brains, intelligence and can carry on a decent conversation. Take Sarah Palin for example, she is dumb as a rock, a stupid twit who can barely complete a sentence. She is 40 something years old.

Again, I am drawn to the conclusion that guys are rejecting the younger women because they are tougher to get with. Of course this is the case, they have a lot more choices and the most in demand. Don't say that the "grapes are sour", just because you can't get to them.

[BaronStanley]

(03-30-2010 11:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that South American girls mature slower than American girls (surprisingly). Many American girls move to college at 18, get a job at 22 with their own place, so get into adulthood quicker. Some 22 y/o Americans are quite easy/reasonable to deal with.

For South American girls, add at least 2 years. 24 or 25 is a very good age for them.

I totally agree, South American girls are much more immature because they live at home with their parents till they are 25+ frequently. They don't get introduced to "real world" responsibilities at as young of an age like American girls do.

They are also more conservative when it comes to sex and only want to have sex with a guy if he is their "boyfriend." Obviously this can be worked around but the idea of having one night stands and hooking up with random guys has wayyy more stigma attached to it than it does in Western cultures.

That is my experience from living in both Argentina and Peru.

[Rocco81]

BS - Very good point. I have not yet been to Argentina or Peru, but know many of both here in DC. The Argentines are as Roosh described them in his book, quirky and flaky (but very attrractive) ....The girls from Peru I have met on the other hand have been pretty easy. One night stands have not been an issue.

[Giovonny]

Alot of guys are saying that they prefer older girls to younger ones. (This is a lie)
They say younger girls are immature, dumb, shallow , and flakey.

Believe me. You won't care how immature and dumb she is when your dick is halfway down her throat.

I think most guys "give up" on younger girls because they don't have enough confidence to actually pull a hot 19yo.

Like my buddies who say they like "thick" girls. The only reason they say they like "thick girls" is because they have gained so much weigh themselves, they can no longer pull a slim girl. Its just an excuse/cop out.

I don't chase girls because i want to have a worldy, intellectual conversation with them. If i want to have a stimuating conversation with someone i would rather talk to one of you guys.

For me:

A girl with a good head on her shoulders = A GIRL WITH A PRETTY FACE.
A good conversation with a girl = A GOOD BJ
A girl with a good personality = A GIRL WITH A TIGHT BODY
A girl who is mature = A GIRL WHO DOESNT GET MAD WHEN SHE SEES ME WITH ANOTHER GIRL.
A girl with a cool vibe = A GIRL WHO DOESNT TALK TO MUCH.


When i was 27 i approached an 18yo. She said she had never dated anyone over 21.

I said , "Me Neither".

Treat these young honeys like Pit Bulls....Never show fear and show em who's the boss.

[OGNorCal707]

"Treat these young honeys like Pit Bulls...Never show fear and show em who's the boss."


Sounds like some golden advice to me.

[docsedated]

Right on Mr. Giovonny, Now we are Talking............

Atleast some one has the balls/will to Approach 19-21 range, When there is will there's a Way, although in this case ways are limted for a 35 yr old man to game 19 yo hottie and I am looking for those ways/Angles/approaches.

[AlphaQup2nite]

I totally and whole heartly agree with the OP here.
Yes i could be out getting the "hot" 18 year olds if i wanted. But why? It really only gives me bragging rights to other guys. I would much rather use my valuable time on meeting girls with ambitions, and a new perspective on life, and actual life experiences rather then someone who looks hot.

Plus it is hard for me to genuinely connect with young girls, as i never had the normal post HS years. I went from living in Taiwan for HS, to working two jobs to save money for uni, to dropping out of uni and flying half way across the world to china with pretty much the change in my pocket. These hot young girls have everything handed to them these days by AFCs, and know nothing about life outside their little bubble of superficiality. Give me a traveled chick, one who has fully formed opinions and ideas, and a basic understand of how things really work, rather then some half ass magic credit card veiw. This is probably why i mainly lay girls at least three years my senior. A woman needs to stimulate more then my cock for me to take a serious interest in her; enough to actually make the effort of gaming her. Thats why my night game is pretty much non existant these days. You wont meat a passionate girl in a night club nearly as often as a high end coffee shop.

[thegmanifesto]

"Atleast some one has the balls/will to Approach 19-21 range"

This is the easiest range to approach.

[OGNorCal707]

I think Giovonny is right to an extent, but where the problem lies (at least with me), is that I have very little in common with most 18-21 year olds, so it is hard for me to find any sort of connection with them. I'm not saying I'm looking for long hours of stimulating conversation on the fate of the world, politics, spirituality, etc., but it's not like I can just approach a hot 20 year old and just tell her I want to stick my cock in her ass, there has got to be some gaming leading up to the point where you are hooking up with them. I'll admit that my game is pretty weak at the moment, but I just feel like I have more to build on with a woman my own age or older, as opposed to the 18 year old who just graduated high school, and likes Lady Gaga, MTV, and God knows what else.

I should also add that there are lot's of hot women in their late 20's and early 30's, sure proportionally there are less then the 18-24 set, but a fine women who takes care of herself, eats right, exercises, yoga, etc., can still be amazing hot, and in many cases hotter then an 19 year old girl who chain smokes cigerettes, eats fast food, and never gets any exercise. And I can be really attracted to thicker women, I'm not talking fat, but a nice shapely big ass, thicker thighs, big tits, etc. I think American culture is too geared towards thin women, and I'm sorry there is nothing sexy about a pencil thin white girl with no tits or ass. So as a generalization I would agree with Giovonny, but that's the thing about guys, we got all kinds of different shit that attracts us, I'm not really attracted to black women, but I would be wrong to assume that all other guys aren't. Anyways, just some follow up thoughts to share with you...

[Giovonny]

(04-16-2010 09:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is the easiest range to approach.

The last 18 yo i met was walking down the street with her friends, i was standing in front of an ice cream shop with one of my friends, she was texting as she walked, as we made eye contact I said:

"Are you trying to text me"?

she smiled and said , "Maybe later"

I laughed and said , "Whats your number, I'll send you one, so you have me in your phone"

She stopped and yelled out her number to me from about 15 feet away. And then walked away with her friends.

I texted her about 30 mins later and said, "your kinda cute, blah blah blah, im gonna be hanging out around her later blah blah blah. We texted back and forth for a few weeks and she flaked on me once or twice. Finally, i ran into her at the mall and she was real nervous and apoligized for flaking on me. I told her she better make it up to me. She started texing me all the time and finding me on facebook. I knew she was ready. We met at the mall a few times to eat and hang. I invited her over to see my new condo. The first two times we fooled around but i didn't push it, the 3rd time she came over we got it done.

This happened because of my aggressive "sunny saturday afternoon freindly flirty street game".

This is an example of the kind of stupid childish unrefined Game that will work on an 18yo. A mature, intelligent, 29yo would not have stopped in the middle of the sidewalk and called out her number to me. Thats to immature for her. But the 18yo thinks its kinda hot and sexy that some random guy smoothly got her number in 10 seconds right on the street in front of her freinds. It gives them something exciting to talk about. It makes her feel like she is living a life like "Jersey Shore" or whatever stupid show show they watch.

Recently i banged a 19yo that i met at the local college. I saw her walking on the other side of the street so i casually crossed pretending that i never saw her. I ended up a little bit in front of her. I turned and looked back at her and tried to pretend that i was really surprised to see her. I said,

"Where do i know you from" (playfully)
"thats such a pick up line" she said
"No i really know you from somewhere" i said

Blah Blah Blah. I threw out a few local "cool" gyms and neighborhoods where i "might have seen her". (All Lies)

The conversation was going ok but not great. As we got to the parking lot i said,

"Wanna grab a drink sometime"

she reluctantly said, "Sure" and gave me her number.

We texted a little and a few days later I sent her a great text saying that i wanted to her to come to a brazilian house party, and she could bring a friend and i promise you will have so much fun blah blah.

We had a great time and she banged me on the 2nd date.

Later she told me that she wanted to bang an "older guy" just to try it.

Another example a very basic Game that will work on a younger girl but maybe not an older more experienced girl.

When i was in my late 20's i banged a few co eds using the old classic....."What up, wanna smoke some weed" (now made famous by the GMANIFESTO)

The way i look at it....Being young dumb and immature makes these girls easier to bang.

[Kona]

Seven years ago I was working in Tallinn over in Estonia. I took the ferry to Helsinki and met a girl in a bar.

This girl was beautiful. She is an exact look a like of the actress Elisha Cuthbert. She showed me all around that part of the world for about three months. She spoke multiple languages and knew everyplace to go. In that three months I swooped no other girls, and had no problem with that.

She told me she was 23, but because of her attitude and body, I thought maybe she was lying on the low side. I took her for around 28-29.

After I left we emailed here and there. This stopped maybe two years ago, and I didn't really think about it. I was reading on this forum about Tallinn and decided to send her one. She finally got back to me, and we chatted on the phone. She said she wanted finally come to Hawaii, like we'd talked about in the past.

I wanted to make sure in that 7 years she didn't get fat and old looking, so I asked her to send me some current photos. When I saw them it was shocking. The girl looks better now than she did back then.

I was talking to her and asked how she stayed that way considering she had to be pushing 30-35 years old.

She then tells me that when I met her she was using phony id's and lying about her age. She is currently 22 years old, hence she was 15 when I was with her. That's amazing.

She bought a ticket and will be in Hawaii this Thursday. She also fedexed me some Finland candy crap. Most 22 year old girls don't have the mental capacity or the money to do things like that.

The point is, you gotta find the good ones in the 18-22 year age bracket.

Aloha!

[MiXX]

(04-13-2010 09:22 AM)BaronStanley Wrote:  

They are also more conservative when it comes to sex and only want to have sex with a guy if he is their "boyfriend." Obviously this can be worked around but the idea of having one night stands and hooking up with random guys has wayyy more stigma attached to it than it does in Western cultures.

True story:

I was out with a girl in Medellin a couple of nighst ago on our 2nd date. After about 1 hr, I went for a kiss, and she would reject me. I pulled away, and retried again, only to be rejected yet again!!...So, I finally told her

"hey look, if you are not feeling me, and are so not into me that you don't even want to kiss me, let me know, and let's do ourseleves a favor and not waste each others' time".

She replied "It's not that. You are not my boyfriend, I cannot kiss a guy who is not my boyfriend"

Mixx: "Oh, I see. Well, how does one go about being your boyfriend?"

Girl: "well, you have to ask me to be your girlfriend"

Mixx: "Wanna be my girlfriend?"

Girl (smiling) "yes!"

we start slobbering each other and heavy making out, and I start grabbing her ass, tits...and we finally end up at my place and bang the rest of the night.

Of course, it was ok for her to be a slut with me now....I was her "boyfriend".

ummmmmmmm............???

Mixx