[docsedated]

To all Gurus,

You all say American Girls are easy, not for me................. I do fairly well with Eastern European/ latin / Asian girls. For whatever reasons My highest flags are from Czech Republic and at one point my friends were joking that Czech Republic should give me their Nationality.

Some of the reasons that I think that I do not Vibe well with US chicks

1. I am Brown (I look Indian)

2. US chicks hate people from that part of the world ( Listening to FOX news )

3. They think I am a terrorist.

Some Counter arguments I have in my mind, I see some of my friends do well no matter what, so looks & money should not matter although I am better than average looking and money is not an issue too.

I do well with American girls if they know me or if they are from the same social circle, late 20s and 30's click sometimes and picking gets really slim to non existent in to 18-24 range but I am ready to give any thing to bang that American Blond with smooth milky skin.

I am in the early stages of My Game, I am 35, My biggest problems are Middle conversations, keep the flow going... My strong points are Opening. I do not know how but situational openers Come to my head easy I almost open any one without difficulty.

I will keep on posting approaches so that you guys can critique me or read some of my other posts in the thread related to "Gym" and "Picking the sure thing" I know I am asking for too much.

My Questions

1. Any specific angle that I can play with younger/ college American Girls.
(I am exposed to a lot of college girls but have an age Gap and Teacher/student kind of Awkwardness)

2. Any specific tips on middle conversation. ( Any books that you guys recommend ) I just bought conversationally speaking.

I would appreciate any input and thanking you guys in Anticipation.

[thegmanifesto]

"1. I am Brown (I look Indian)

2. US chicks hate people from that part of the world ( Listening to FOX news )

3. They think I am a terrorist. "

Culturally in the US I could see this as a problem.

What city are you based in?

I think I would focus on more cosmopolitan/sophisticated cities/parts of cities.

In Manhattan, I don't see this as an issue. In small town red state world, I think you are screwed (so to speak).

I know a lot of Persian cats play up the "I am super rich, I take you on a private plane with my families oil money" Game that seems to be effective with the Platinum Digger population. http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/01/pla...ggers.html

[Giovonny]

So,

your 35 years old , your Indian looking, and you wanna bang hot 18-24 year old blonds.

I like how you "think big".

But, thats a tough "niche" to crack for a 35 year old. Even for a good looking youthful 35 year old.

For me the key is simply being around them alot so they can see that even tho i am almost 10 years older i am still a fun, cool guy who they might consider "hanging out" with.

Whats the old saying..."Familiarity breeds attraction".

Some do like older guys but most don't date to far outside of their "social circle". You have to find someway of getting around them on a regular basis and creating some "vibe/attraction".

I used to work at a University Library. I swooped 4 students that year. 2 of them "approached" me. All of them "observed me" for a few months dressing well, carrying myself well, speaking well, etc.

Once they got comfortable with me and starting talking to me a bit, things really started to "heat up".

A 35 year old doing a "cold approach" on a young girl is doable but tough. I have actually done it many times and my bang rate is about 6 or 7 out 100. If i "cold approach" 10 hot 18 year old blonds, i might get 1-3 phone numbers, 75% of the time they flake cause i was just a random "older" guy who approached them. Like i said, i have gotten a few bangs like this, but it is a hell of alot work/time/energy just to bang one. But, sometimes you just get lucky.

Other ideas that come to mind are:

Live near a university, work at the mall, work at a health club. Bartender. Personal trainer that caters to college girls, college professor, hang out at Spring Break parties etc. anything that allows you to interact with them on a regular basis.

I hate to say this but, if you really wanna bang alot of hot blond 18 year olds, the quickest , easiest and most effiecient way might be to just go to Russia/Ukraine/EE and do some p4p (or high end escorts in the USA, if your rich). You might just save yourself alot of time and energy.

im curious to hear what other guys think.

[JoeSea]

So are you Indian/Middle Eastern or what? If you are middle eastern, do you speak with an accent? If the answer to those 2 questions are yes, then the odds are definitely stacked against you for what you are going for.

I think that 18-24 year old women in America needs to be subdivided into 18-20 and 21-24 because there is a BIG difference between those 2 groups. Your chances for landing an 18-20 year old are pretty much restricted to day game only, unless you can find an 18+ club that is remotely stomach-able. The 21-24 year olds can be found out in bars at night, especially on Thursdays if you live in a college town.

For 18-20 age group some suggestions are to find a coffee shop around campus that you are comfortable frequenting and become a regular there. Make friends with the staff and try to get on a first name basis with them. The reason I suggest hanging around campus is that you can be pretty certain that they are indeed 18+. If you meet them anywhere in public, you taking some chances unless you just have that good of an eye when it comes to judging age. If you're really wanting to go all in with this, get yourself a dog and take him with you to the coffee shop, young chicks CAN NOT help themselves when it comes to cute dogs, just make sure you transition into non-dog related conversation as quick as you can. For me, owning a dog is too much work, and I wouldn't do it just for the sake of meeting chicks. But if you like dogs then by all means.

For the 21-24 age group, which is probably going to be your best bet, I would try to find a good Thursday night spot and approach them there the same way you would any other chick. The guys in this age range are rookies when it comes to boozing in the bars/clubs and you almost never see them approaching. This is def. an advantage to exploit. I think the concept you're going for here is "creating the want". You want to seem like the kind of guy that they should be talking to. Don't be the guy looking around leering at all the hotness in the room. Be the guy at the bar acting like being surrounded by all of the hotties is just another day for you. Easier said than done, I know, but this is what I've seen working and what has worked for me. If you're doing it right, you will be getting approached or they will end up appearing in your vicinity out of nowhere almost begging you to talk to them.

Roosh has addressed this age range a lot on his blog and in his book and I think the thing he says about these girls being deathly afraid of doing anything that their friends will disapprove of is spot on. All of the stuff you've heard about approaching groups and mother-hen type shit can be taken literally for these girls. Try to figure out the group dynamic as quick as possible and who is calling the shots. Also, try if you can to work with groups of 2 or 3 at most, as any more than that will feel like herding cats.

I used to be only into these girls but it seems like every year I get older, my age threshold goes up. Also, what Giovanny alluded to leaving America to meet international girls is definitely true. I don't know if this can be generalized but it seems like International girls in this age range are easier to relate and conversate with as an older guy. They are more traveled and seem to be more humble. They have interests beyond Facebook and Jersey Shore, which is the kind of shit you will have to talk about the second you drop your guard and stop dictating the conversation with a young American chick.

P.S. These are mostly suggestions to get you in the game so to speak. I don't know of ANYONE that has mastered picking up chicks in this age range, even Joe "Girls Gone Wild" Francis. I think if you are converting 1 out of every 25-30 girls you approach in this range you are doing REAL good.

[Pepini]

(03-29-2010 03:49 PM)docsedated Wrote:  

To all Gurus,

You all say American Girls are easy, not for me................. I do fairly well with Eastern European/ latin / Asian girls. For whatever reasons My highest flags are from Czech Republic and at one point my friends were joking that Czech Republic should give me their Nationality.

Some of the reasons that I think that I do not Vibe well with US chicks

1. I am Brown (I look Indian)

2. US chicks hate people from that part of the world ( Listening to FOX news )

3. They think I am a terrorist.

Some Counter arguments I have in my mind, I see some of my friends do well no matter what, so looks & money should not matter although I am better than average looking and money is not an issue too.

I do well with American girls if they know me or if they are from the same social circle, late 20s and 30's click sometimes and picking gets really slim to non existent in to 18-24 range but I am ready to give any thing to bang that American Blond with smooth milky skin.

I am in the early stages of My Game, I am 35, My biggest problems are Middle conversations, keep the flow going... My strong points are Opening. I do not know how but situational openers Come to my head easy I almost open any one without difficulty.

I will keep on posting approaches so that you guys can critique me or read some of my other posts in the thread related to "Gym" and "Picking the sure thing" I know I am asking for too much.

My Questions

1. Any specific angle that I can play with younger/ college American Girls.
(I am exposed to a lot of college girls but have an age Gap and Teacher/student kind of Awkwardness)

2. Any specific tips on middle conversation. ( Any books that you guys recommend ) I just bought conversationally speaking.

I would appreciate any input and thanking you guys in Anticipation.

Go to Czech Republic.

[OGNorCal707]

What's with the affixation with the 18-24 set? I mean I know they are young and hot, but girls in this age range are very immature, play lot's of games, and quite often are shallow and stuck up. If you are 35, why not shoot for the 25-30 age group, I think you'd have better luck. The immaturity of these girls and your problems with connecting during conversation will probably go hand in hand, I doubt you will have much in common. The suggestion about getting a cute dog was a good one, I have seen this work for friends, as far as getting cute girls to approach them, however I am too interested in traveling for long periods of time to want a dog myself. If your dead set on pulling young white girls, I'd shoot for the more intellectual types that you'd find at higher end universities like UCLA, Cal Berkeley, Brown, Cornell, etc. Also, try the online angle, you can get an account, hit up a bunch of young chicks, and if they don't get back to you, then whatever, keeping on plugging on. Anyways, good luck bro, I feel your pain to an extent, I always do way better when traveling abroad and with foreign girls here in the states.

[The_CEO]

Open it up to 18-40 (any hair color), and you are no longer suffering

[thegmanifesto]

'If you are 35, why not shoot for the 25-30 age group"

That is real good advice. Idea for new thread.

[docsedated]

Thanks to all who took their valuable time to respond and I do mean a Sincere THANK YOU............

Best responses I will learn from Joe Sea and Giovanni's.

Joe Sea: No I am not Middle eastern and I do not have an accent and I really think " Creating the Want Angle is Great ". Thanks.

Giovanni : Yes I like to think Big that's how you suceed in life,. "Familarity breeds attraction " is a concept I am liking, No I am not offended when u Suggest Paying for services, I agree you save a lot of time / Haedache , been there done that but the Satisfaction you get from pulling even a 6 is way more ther P4P I feel like I am chaeating at the GAME....

Gmanifesto: Yes I am in RedNeck America, can't do much about it, Any tips on breaking the Honky Tonk Girls, Damn some of these Southern Belles are Mighty Fine......Playing the Money card I think rearely works for me and attracts only Skanks with low Intelligence level

OGNorcal: Thanks for Understanding

Tdohh: Playing the numbers game, I do believe in it.

Like they say here......... THANKS Y'LL

[hydrogonian]

1. Are you from the USA, or no? I think a lot of foreign guys have trouble here because girls can be much more aggressive and 'alpha' here than in other countries. Therefore, a guy often has to meet this level of alpha-ness and surpass it to have a real chance.

Luckily, you can develop the side of your personality to be alpha that counts (sexual forwardness combined with non-neediness) while the rest of your personality is more or less the same.

Read Rooshes book, but also"Mode One" by Alan Roger Curie. Then read "The Way of the Superior Man" by Deida. The read "Mode One" again after that has sunk in. These books, more than any other that I have read, will help you to develop the personality necessary to successfully game most American women. Its not about "middle conversation" or other nonsense. You can literally say almost anything, in the "middle" conversation, if your sending the right overall message to her.

Many sheltered suburban girls will care about your skin, but there are multitudes that don't. Its more about your personality than anything else. The only way you will be able to meet girls that don't care is by talking to as many as possible, no matter what you think their reactions will be. Some of the coolest girls will look stuck up to, or intimidate, most guys.

Why on earth do you want to target girls so young? Even if this is your preference, your chances in this age range, given your age, are much much lower. Even for guys that look like they do. In my opinion, these girls are also less desirable than girls 23-35. Go for the older and more mature women. More sex, less bullshit.

[thegmanifesto]

"Gmanifesto: Yes I am in RedNeck America, can't do much about it, Any tips on breaking the Honky Tonk Girls, Damn some of these Southern Belles are Mighty Fine..."

I don't really have to much experience in Red america, save New Orleans (which is a blue city) and has a long history of being very hospitable to city kids from up north.

[Giovonny]

Docsedated,

One more thing:

Use your "brown" skin and "outsider" status to your advantage....Many white girls want to "experiment" with different types/ethnicities/races of men (they are just like us)....You gotta OFFER them something fresh and new. something they have never "experienced" before. Look for girls with Bob Marley posters, Native American art, Yoga books, pics of their vacation to "Machu Picchu" or "India", non conformist/hippie types, philosophy/anthrpology/international business/art majors, travel buffs,...and shit like that.....the girls who want to get "in touch" with their "brown" side...find those ones.

and:

If they think you are a "terrorist", then you are not dressing and grooming right. And you may need a nickname if your name is to "terrorist" sounding. I know a beautiful Latina who banged a guy from Iraq. She was so surprised when she found out he was from Iraq. She said he looked Italian. I saw the guy and he looked Greek/Italian to me. No one would have thought he was from Iraq. He did a great job of "dressing to win"

[thegmanifesto]

Another idea (could be high risk though): Play up the "terrorist" angle.

Terrorists probably get mad girls.

Hell, my fam is IRA and ETA.

[Rocco81]

- The reason you got Pussy in places like CZ is because you really are new to them. They see some immigrants but far less than we do here in the USA.

- You really are putting yourself up against huge odds, bieng foreign at 35 and trying to chase down young hot girls. As someone else said, its not necessarily easy for a good looking american at 35 to do.

- Maybe you need to "game" on odler women?

- Most girls I know simply are not attracted to Indian men. Some to Persian guys, because some Persian guys are lighter almost Latino looking and are more "macho" for lack of a better word ..but most of my American girlfriends just simply do not feel that much attraction for Indian guys. Sorry bro.

[Rocco81]

Docsedated : You say you don't want to attract skanks with Low IQ..but I'm guessing the numerous CZ girls you banged were't exactly brain surgeons, and really it shouldn't matter. From your original post it seems you wanted to get laid and game some young hot bitches, not go ring shopping.

If you are looking for a long term relation, then that is another set of rules which it IS to your advantage to show your stable status as a professional with education, than it is to show your wilder, younger, riskier side.

[whosyourdaddy]

Some tips:

1. 35 is NOT THAT OLD. Try to dress/act younger if you think that will help you. Shave, wear "younger" clothing. Unless you truly look middle aged and are balding, it should not be a problem. Some Hollywood actors pushing 40 play college students, 20 somethings and even high school students.

2. You seem to be in the South. Most of the single women in the South are under 25 anyways so that's who you'll have to target. That said:

3. Try taking a class in the evening at a local community college. You'll be surrounded by young girls. Just show up to class. Don't do the work, obviously. There are tons of opportunities. Girls are off guard compared to the bar scene.

4. Spend a summer in Myrtle Beach, South Padre, Dewey Beach, etc. Or try local colleges, bars, college nights at bars, etc. Heck in more provincial cities, just do the bar scene. Most girls are under 25.

5. I still think it's best to come off as a 27-30 year old and just be around younger girls. They'll approach/show interest in you.

Beyond this, we'd need more specific info about you, your location, etc.

[Rocco81]

I semi agree with the younger clothing thing. I mean, you obviously don't want to look like your dad, but just how much younger do you want to look?

In my experiences, I've gotten more booty (my age and younger) by bieng late 20'searly 30's semi professional looking. My version of a young look, came from remaining relatively fit and up to date with new music, art etc (but this stuff interests me anyways so it comes accross natural) despite having an emerging bald spot, due to which I keep my hair very short... I just rock the jeans and Ts when I'm not in business casual for work related drinking binges.

At any rate, I think that to try and look young too hard is lame. I saw a dude on a flight recently that was in good shape for 40 something, I guess you could say he was a decent looking guy, but looked completely rediculous in a tight fitting, bedazzled, Affliction t-shirt with some designer jeans covered in imprints of the Fleur de lis...now this is totally gay and played out even for a 22 y/o but this guy just looked like a clown. With his mature look, he would be much better off with some slacks, plain t-shirt or collared shirt and maybe a thin spring coat or leather jacket. Play on the maturity and power he has to the younger woman instead of downplaying his age and trying to look "hip"

[playa_with_a_passport]

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I do well with American girls if they know me or if they are from the same social circle, late 20s and 30's click sometimes and picking gets really slim to non existent in to 18-24 range but I am ready to give any thing to bang that American Blond with smooth milky skin.

lol, don't we all? Personally I don't think your ethnicity has anything to do with it. Girls of that age regardless of race are very challenging because of the endless shit test, flakiness and competition. Right or wrong, a young blonde white chick in shape is considered the epitome of beauty in many parts of the world. I don't even bother with the PYT's(pretty young things) unless they show overt interest in me, life is too short to be chasing a mirage. Like many posters already stated I would get rid of the hair as well as age requirement.

[speakeasy]

Milky skin? Who the hell likes that? I thought that's why blonds get tanned.

[Rocco81]

It depends Speakeasy. I made a post in another thread comparing very black people to very white people. I know some black kids I grew up with that were teased to no end for bieng super black. They would even admit that it would be nice to be a few shades lighter. Not that they wanted to be white but you see where I'm going. Same with very white people, teased all the time. They like get somewhat of a tan (aside from the fact that sun is good for you)

Some people like milky skin, some people like very dark skin. If you base your perception on what you find here you are only seeing one side of the coin. Go to africa or go to Norway and you will find that mily skin is seen as bueatiful in one and darker skin is seen as bueatiful in the other, if for the only reason that its unique and new to them.