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11-27-2012, 08:26 AM
yeah its weird theres never anything on male gential mutilation.
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11-27-2012, 09:42 AM
While I kind of see your point, removing some skin isn't in the same ballpark as having your genitalia cut completely out with a dirty razor blade or some other instrument. I suggest you watch the film "Desert Flower," the story of fashion model Waris Dirie (model Liya Kebede played Dirie in the film. She was the African woman that was thrown out of the plane in "The Good Shepherd."). I know we like to point out double standards and inconsistencies between the sexes, but comparing male circumcision with genital mutilation is simply dishonest.
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11-27-2012, 10:02 AM
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11-27-2012, 10:06 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 09:42 AM)Timoteo Wrote:
While I kind of see your point, removing some skin isn't in the same ballpark as having your genitalia cut completely out with a dirty razor blade or some other instrument. I suggest you watch the film "Desert Flower," the story of fashion model Waris Dirie (model Liya Kebede played Dirie in the film. She was the African woman that was thrown out of the plane in "The Good Shepherd."). I know we like to point out double standards and inconsistencies between the sexes, but comparing male circumcision with genital mutilation is simply dishonest.
Huh?
How is slicing a necessary part of a person's reproductive organ not genital mutilation?
Your argument is that if we start clitoral circumcisions with safety and sterility measures, then that would cease to be genital mutilation?
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11-27-2012, 10:11 AM
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
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11-27-2012, 10:13 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:11 AM)jammer Wrote:
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
Flat feet are disgusting: we should make amputation of flat feet law.
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11-27-2012, 10:15 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:11 AM)jammer Wrote:
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
You must be trolling. Please tell me how much experience you have with uncircumcised dicks?
I've gotten notches in the US just because I'm not circumcised (admittedly mainly due to the novelty factor).
It's only a problem if you don't know how to keep it clean and well taken care of.
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11-27-2012, 10:18 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:15 AM)Caligula Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:11 AM)jammer Wrote:
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
You must be trolling.
I've gotten notches in the US just because I'm not circumcised (admittedly mainly due to the novelty factor).
It's only a problem if you don't know how to keep it clean and well taken care of.
Non circumcised is dirty and a huge risk for STD's. I can remember the first time I googled non circumcision and was shocked that people had penises like that. I guess the upside is that you are more sensitive though for some guys that extra sensitivity is actually a weakness.
What reactions do you get from girls? Do they fuck non circumcised guys often?
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11-27-2012, 10:19 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:15 AM)Caligula Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:11 AM)jammer Wrote:
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
You must be trolling.
I've gotten notches in the US just because I'm not circumcised (admittedly mainly due to the novelty factor). It's only a problem if you don't know how to keep it clean and well taken care of.
I was circumcised when I was 8. A Jewish organization, who helped my newly immigrant family here, bribed me and my destitute parents with a shiny new bike to perform the procedure on me. How could I refuse?
Now, I feel that it was really wrong of them. I was 8, I would have let someone slice my pinky toes off if it meant getting a Nintentdo console. At least I had a semblance of a choice, though: most US-born babies have none whatsoever.
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11-27-2012, 10:21 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:18 AM)jammer Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:15 AM)Caligula Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:11 AM)jammer Wrote:
Male circumcision should be the law. Its disgusting to be non circumcized.
You must be trolling.
I've gotten notches in the US just because I'm not circumcised (admittedly mainly due to the novelty factor).
It's only a problem if you don't know how to keep it clean and well taken care of.
Non circumcised is dirty and a huge risk for STD's. I can remember the first time I googled non circumcision and was shocked that people had penises like that. I guess the upside is that you are more sensitive though for some guys that extra sensitivity is actually a weakness.
What reactions do you get from girls? Do they fuck non circumcised guys often?
Hands allow people to punch and shoot others. If people didn't have hands, the world would have much less violence in it: let's slice off hands at birth.
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11-27-2012, 10:24 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:06 AM)megatron Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 09:42 AM)Timoteo Wrote:
While I kind of see your point, removing some skin isn't in the same ballpark as having your genitalia cut completely out with a dirty razor blade or some other instrument. I suggest you watch the film "Desert Flower," the story of fashion model Waris Dirie (model Liya Kebede played Dirie in the film. She was the African woman that was thrown out of the plane in "The Good Shepherd."). I know we like to point out double standards and inconsistencies between the sexes, but comparing male circumcision with genital mutilation is simply dishonest.
Huh?
How is slicing a necessary part of a person's reproductive organ not genital mutilation?
Your argument is that if we start clitoral circumcisions with safety and sterility measures, then that would cease to be genital mutilation?
And you respond with even more dishonesty. I don't consider removal of foreskin to be mutilation. If you want to make that argument, find, I don't see where I tried to argue that removal of labia, the clitoris, clitoral hood, etc. in a more sterile environment lessens the fact that it's mutilation. I'm circumsized, and my genitals are definitely not mutilated. I'm thinking you have no idea what gential mutilation actually entails. The equivalent for men would be the removal of your penis head, or the whole penis and leaving just the urethral opening so you can still urinate.
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11-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:24 AM)Timoteo Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:06 AM)megatron Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2012 09:42 AM)Timoteo Wrote:
While I kind of see your point, removing some skin isn't in the same ballpark as having your genitalia cut completely out with a dirty razor blade or some other instrument. I suggest you watch the film "Desert Flower," the story of fashion model Waris Dirie (model Liya Kebede played Dirie in the film. She was the African woman that was thrown out of the plane in "The Good Shepherd."). I know we like to point out double standards and inconsistencies between the sexes, but comparing male circumcision with genital mutilation is simply dishonest.
Huh?
How is slicing a necessary part of a person's reproductive organ not genital mutilation?
Your argument is that if we start clitoral circumcisions with safety and sterility measures, then that would cease to be genital mutilation?
And you respond with even more dishonesty. I don't consider removal of foreskin to be mutilation. If you want to make that argument, find, I don't see where I tried to argue that removal of labia, the clitoris, clitoral hood, etc. in a more sterile environment lessens the fact that it's mutilation. I'm circumsized, and my genitals are definitely not mutilated. I'm thinking you have no idea what gential mutilation actually entails. The equivalent for men would be the removal of your penis head, or the whole penis and leaving just the urethral opening so you can still urinate.
Slicing off a piece of a person's body without their consent: mutilation.
How am I wrong here?
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11-27-2012, 10:29 AM
I'm not even going to launch into a discussion of circumsized vs. uncircumsized. I'm sure everyone manages just fine. I do believe parents should have the option, and circumcision shouldn't be mandatory. But lets not let this discussion go off the rails.
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11-27-2012, 10:31 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:29 AM)Timoteo Wrote:
I'm not even going to launch into a discussion of circumsized vs. uncircumsized. I'm sure everyone manages just fine. I do believe parents should have the option, and circumcision shouldn't be mandatory. But lets not let this discussion go off the rails.
Heh. Good dodge there, bro.
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11-27-2012, 10:40 AM
Quote: (11-27-2012 10:18 AM)jammer Wrote:
What reactions do you get from girls? Do they fuck non circumcised guys often?
Yes, being from America usually they've only fucked circumcised men.
They love it: they often say they prefer it. At worst its been neutral, but at best it's been a preference. Maybe it's the novelty factor, or maybe it's that I'm solidly endowed anyway.
Having foreskin makes you more sensitive. There are a lot of nerves in there so you may find sex more pleasant. Ribbed condoms recreate the feel of that band of that skin - if you're uncut you have that bonus naturally: there's extra friction and an extra dimension of sensation for you. You need less lube and handjobs are way easier.
On the other hand, yes it's more work to keep clean (though I've never had a problem with this) and yes there's a greater STD risk (from an already low % chance of catching anything at all).
That's just my experience. There are so many variables and experiences are very subjective so I'm sure we'll never reach a consensus.
The main issue, though, is choice: it's brutal not to give kids a choice in something that's going to so profoundly affect their life.
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11-27-2012, 10:45 AM
Bet it was different for that week old baby boy who died here in the UK after circumcision was performed on him
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Quote: (11-27-2012 10:45 AM)bojangles Wrote:
Bet it was different for that week old baby boy who died here in the UK after circumcision was performed on him
This baby's STD risk was diminished to zero: success.
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11-27-2012, 11:46 AM
How is a foreskin a birth defect?
It's really quite surprising how many of you are not only defending the use of male genital mutilation by force, but aren't even willing to admit that it is in fact mutilation.
I, nor any else here is saying that male circumcision is bad, just the use of it by FORCE upon babies/children is morally wrong. If you're an adult and you voluntarily choose to have a circumcision, more power to you. You're a grown man and you have every right to make such a decision about your body.
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11-27-2012, 12:25 PM
I think it is misleading to defend male circumcision by pointing out that it is "less damaging" than female circumcision. Less damaging than so called "class III female genital mutilation" (which is, I hasten to add, very rare), where entire clitoris, labia and possibly the vaginal entry are sliced, yes, that is analogue to a man losing his penis head (glans) or the entire penis. But that is not the point.
FGM is battled against because it violates the woman's right to her body and removes a part of her sexual organs for no medical reason whatsoever, based only on superstition (i.e. culture / religion). At best, it causes no harm. At worst, it can lead to injury or death. And I agree that it needs to be eliminated.
Male circumcision is exactly the same thing in all of those aspects. At best, the boy is lucky and there is no harm. At worst, the boy suffers complications, permanent damage or even death. You as a parent don't have the right to alter his body or expose him to that kind of risk unless it's for medical reasons!
What about the benefits?
a) lower STD rates in circumcised males, as found by several studies. Correlation !=! causation. It might be the result of different cultural or religious upbringing that sometimes goes along with it. I am not aware of any studies that prove that there is some biological mechanism that protects the circumcised penis from STDs. Medically speaking, unless explicitly proven, the concept makes no sense. Would you really think that, if you permanently remove a part of skin from your hand that is naturally there, that this part will become more resistant to infections?
b) looks aesthetically pleasing to (some) women. Wow, what a good idea. We should allow adding breast implants to baby girls too, just to give them a head start at attractiveness.
c) cleanliness / hygiene. Any part of your body will become infected if you never clean it. Duh! Would you amputate your child's hand because you can't teach him to wash his hands properly? Uncircumcised men don't need any special "foreskin-washing" phase while showering. There is no benefit to this one.
I'll say it again, as a parent, you simply don't have the right to permanently alter your child's body in that fashion, unless it's explicitly for immediate medical benefit. Compare circumcision with tonsilectomy (removal of tonsils if they're too large or get infected often). There is a clear benefit to surgery and it's known that there will be negative consequences if it's not done, which clearly outweigh the possible risks. And you don't do it in advance at birth just because you can, you do it only because it's started causing proven, repeated problems.
Let anyone who wants to be circumcised, male or female, do so. But not at birth. It should be a personal decision.
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11-27-2012, 12:59 PM
Male circumcision isn't going to end anytime soon. Doctors make bank off of it, they charge $150-300 for what is a 5 minute procedure. These foreskins are then sold to the
cosmetics industry to be used in facial creams. Money drives agenda. Next time you see a woman using facial cream, ask her how it feels to rub baby dicks on her face.
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Mutilation is defined as degrading the appearance or function of the body.
You were going good, but killed your whole argument with that statement. You are making the assumption that the foreskin is useless and not aesthetically pleasing. The first part of the statement is subjective. However, the foreskin does have use, therefore circumcision does degrade the function of the body.
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