[Giovonny]

My 2 cents:

"Naturals" can be born: Born with good looks, good social skills and a predisposition to connect with women.

"Naturals" can be made: Born into a environment that introduces him to game at an early age.

Some guys are lucky and get both.

Some guys are unlucky and get neither.

Growing up around players helps. Growing up around alot of women helps. Getting female attention at a young age. Looks help. Status helps. Playboy father and uncles helps. All of the above is the perfect storm.

I feel lucky that I was born into an culture/environment that encouraged me to chase women. My grandmother told me to "experience many different women". If I didn't get girls my family would consider me a loser. My mom gives me condoms for Christmas. We are very red pill.

(02-11-2013 05:35 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Iceberg Slim was probably a natural and he fits the profile.

What Iceberg Slim are you talking about???

The Iceberg Slim I know was not gay or on tv???

[Nomad77]

The Pimp Gio

[Samseau]

(02-10-2013 09:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

From my experience with guys who were naturals (limited) and guys who had good game is that are they actually operate a bit differently. One natural I know, started having sexual interactions with both adults and girls his own age at 10! The older women initiated him into it and he in turn initiated the girls his age. He was very sexual in his teenage years with both girls and women. This guy doesn't really have any concept of game. He doesn't use any routines, doesn't even think about what he does. He doesn't care if he makes mistakes and he doesn't analyze things when he fails or when he succeeds. Guys with good game on the other hand, think about the stuff they are doing: they plan and strategize. This guy loves women and why wouldn't he? They have been good to him his whole life. Most players are the opposite: they almost hate them. I guess what I am thinking is that I am not sure learning game and being good at it can make you a natural. While both a natural and a good player can get women the way they go about it is fundamentally different - I think.

I've seen naturals who hate women and naturals who love them.

I've concluded that how a man feels about women is completely irrelevant to banging them.

[Giovonny]

(02-11-2013 02:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The Pimp Gio

Not a pimp. Just a guy who approaches alot of women.

More like a "Ho-Hounder"..

[el mechanico]

(02-11-2013 03:03 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The Pimp Gio

Not a pimp. Just a guy who approaches alot of women.

More like a "Ho-Hounder"..

Bird dog.

[Giovonny]

I'm a bird bog!

It takes me about 20 approaches to get my vibe right!

[brianmark]

(02-11-2013 07:00 AM)babababalot Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:12 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

Nomad77, one other comment I want to make. You mentioned that this natural guy loves women. Yes, I agree with this statement 100%. I love women. I think women are crazy, but I love women. If you hate women, you're just faking it, and you will have problems. Women can see through this facade. So if you are a player that hates women, you are going to have a much harder time.

my housemate is a natural. he loves women.

i don't hate women but don't love them either. i make barely any effort to talk to average girls and zero effort if they're unattractive. there's a really small percentage that i really enjoy - usually hot and similar in outlook to me.

the natural can talk to ALL girls with ease - actually enjoys it - and creates opportunities in doing so: friends of friends, party invites, etc.

I grew up around many outgoing women: sisters, mothers, grandmothers, etc., so I had a many experiences talking to women at an early age.

Loving women does not mean kissing up to all women including ugly or women with nasty personalities. In fact as I’ve gotten older I’ve toned down my alpha behavior, because I used to come across very abrasive.

I’d say there are probably no real naturals, just guys who learned earlier, are more outgoing, and learn from their mistakes quickly. I’ve made hundreds of mistakes, but I don’t repeat mistakes. If I get "used" in a certain way by a girl, I don’t do that again. I will rewrite my whole game plan on women from a particular culture based on experiences. I love women, but don’t have any desire to be just friends with beautiful ones. Being friends is a waste of time because they’ll want you to become their psychiatrist. I’d rather read a book than listen to their drama. I have better luck with good looking girls than mediocre ones. Mediocre girls seem to have an axe to grind, where beautiful ones are confident in who they are.

I'd say the most successful guys are the hardest working guys too. I'll stay out to 6:00AM to pull a girl.

[23Billion]

Hi guys. I'll try to make my point that growing up surrounded by females is not a good way to grow up if you want to grow up as a MAN with BALLS!!

I grew up around a lot of women of all ages, went to a private elementary school with all female teachers and a very 'strong'/bitchy/scary female principal. And then a private high-school until grade 10 with most of the teachers being females still.

Up until grade 9 or 10 I had an image of a girl as somebody who is 100% innocent, cannot do anything wrong, is honest, does not do anything dirty, is clean etc etc because that was the image that was instilled in our minds because in my class it was always a girl getting the highest grades. It took me a few bad experiences and years and years to realize that the above was not true. Anyway.

I went through my puberty with half the class being girls. We were together all the way from kindergarten up until grade 7 or grade 8. I still grew up with a lot of confidence issues. I would say I got very very lucky in the high school in terms of getting girls when I transferred to a public school. I was skinny as hell with arms thinner than most girls, in grade 10 I weighed around 110 or so lbs.

I would never call my self a natural because I know I am not one. I have huge confidence issues that I need to deal with still. But on the other hand I think if I had gone to an all boys school or was surrounded by males more often then I would have grown up to be a real man with real balls because I am a coward of the extreme degree and there is only one explanation for that. I did get in fights on the playground as a kid but that was only when I saw my buddy with me etc.

Just last week in the gym I got into an altercation with a guy over talking to his fiance. I eventually backed down because it is not really worth to get in a fight over stupid reasons. This was another experience that made me sure that most women are sluts or have an inherent sluts in them because she was giving me IOIs to begin with and then I found she has a fiance.

Anyway, I know my post is very long. But I think I tried to make my point.

[Nomad77]

It's not enough just being around women. You have to interact with them sexually otherwise you what you described is probably the most likely results.

[23Billion]

(02-12-2013 03:44 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

It's not enough just being around women. You have to interact with them sexually otherwise you what you described is probably the most likely results.

I know what you're saying. But you cant really be sexual with girls until you hit puberty really. And even then its not a smooth ride for most of us. And to top if all up confidence issues and other emotional problems don't really help it either.

The only way to be 'natural' around women at any age is to excel at some sort of a skill requiring physical fitness, like swordsmanship or horse riding back in the days and sports in the modern world.

[guerrilla]

naturals are well-adjusted individuals.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how a well-adjusted man individual ticks internally, but I keep plodding along learning game and friendship bit by bit at a slow pace. LOL.

[brianmark]

@23Billion, private schools are too academic and not wild or nasty enough. As Nomad77 stated, there is the missing ingredient:

I grew up in a small town, where even at a young age there was a lot of importance put on having sex with girls. Many girls lost their virginity young and some got knocked up young too.

[theIVth]

I haven't known very many, if any, "naturals" in my life. The majority of the guys that I've known that got a lot of girls were guys that most girls were attracted to physically. They weren't particularly smooth or even that smart, their look just got them over. The few guys that I have known that seemed to be able to keep a woman despite their average to below average looks were guys that were just very sociable and that took chances with a lot of women. The same guys that get rejected a lot but also see a lot of success because of the risk that they take.

Most mens problem when it comes to getting women is just the fear of rejection and not approaching enough. If there is a such thing as a natural it would more than likely be a guy that's just not afraid to approach because of an unconcious lack of fear of rejection and a very short memory when they are rejected.

[Nomad77]

It's true, there aren't many naturals out there to begin with so it's highly unlikely that you will know one. There are even less in the US because the culture is not conducive to breeding them. You will find more of them in Latin countries for example. American culture is hang up on sex and discourages people from expressing themselves sexually. There is actually nothing in American society that makes it easy for men to learn about or interact with girls and women. If anything, everything today makes it more and more difficult.

Naturals are a dying breed, an endangered specie. The women today sure as hell won't be creating any.

[Nomad77]

Here is why I am a little fascinated by naturals. I have met a few guys that had good game and they got girls BUT they had to put in some serious work. When I looked at the amount of work these guys put in I didn't envy them the girls they got - hell, they deserve it. The few naturals I have met on the other hand made it seem easy. Neil Strauss talked about one in his first book The Game. It was a guy called Justin that eventually become very religious...

[Architekt]

This guy's gonna be slaying in a few years

[jtbabycarrots]

(02-10-2013 07:59 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I have always been curious about the so called "naturals". I have a theory that the "naturals" are created by women. These guys just happen to grow up around a lot of women and girls and are sexualized by them at a very young age, usually preteens. They usually start interacting sexually with older girls and women at a very young age. Because of this they become naturally good with women because they are in essence trained by them.

Maybe the guys on here who considers themselves "naturals" could comment...

I've know one true natural in all my years. He came from a divorced household. His mother sold drugs and is father was a Vietnam vet / car mechanic. I'm not sure when he lost is virginity, but considering the tail he had by the time he was 18, I'm sure it was young.

The more I read about the link between genetics and stress the more sure I am that being a natural is genetic + prepubescent experience that combined wire the neurological networks for game... i.e., outcome independence.

[mental]

In my opinion, a "natural" is a player who doesn't use a lot of routines and all that, and relies more on frame, masculinity etc. That's why I consider someone who has frame, is charismatic... a natural, regardless if he grew up like that or learned it later.

[Nomad77]

Naturals start with a strong predisposition to wanting women in a sexual way. One was feeling up women legs from 6. There are the male versions of the female lolitas.

[XXL]

So called naturals are guys who for some reason get into positive feedback loop. At first their entitlement comes from being good at sport or heritage or upbringing or good genes etc. Whatever it is it gives them the impulse to step up. And when they do it they see good results in general. So it makes them little bit more entitled and it snowballs from there.

Basically the biggest thing I learned from them is entitlement. It's 90% of game. Once you KNOW you CAN there's no resistance and you just "flow".

[Nomad77]

True, knowing you can get a certain level or kind of girl makes it much easier to get another one like her or to try for something better.

[Giovonny]

superiority complex