[Screwston]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who figured he was gay or bi. Nice body but I'm having a hard time believing he liked pussy even with all of these metrosexuals, hipsters and emo kids running around now days. He probably pounded shit in behind closed doors and fucked girls occasionally so the secret wouldn't get out. Something about him from the picurtres and videos just ain't right. Either way, he looked creepy as fuck. And yes, it's VERY strange how some guys are so obsessed with him. It's like his fanboys get so offended if you disrespect him in any way.

Maybe it's just an Australian thang and I'm wrong






http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...413&page=1

[WestCoast]

The reason why the majority of his "fanboys" are men is because... Surprise surprise he was on a body building forum to rack up followers.

Very little hints that he was gay, nothing really supports it.

When men are placed infront of photos of men and women flashing on a screen, it's actually the most homophobic people who get aroused. I find the guys who get offended by someone calling them gay as a joke, much more likely to be gay than ones who are able to tell good looking guys from one another. Basically, homophobic people are likely much more gay than people who can take a jab here and there.

Also all this stuff about guys who look "homo" not being able to pull. Wrong. You can pull and have a metro look, doesn't matter. It can be disarming. Actually, the biggest player I know who would laugh at me for even being on this forum has had many many many girls come up to him to say "you're too attractive to be straight". Of course he then fucks them 3 hours later. With naked photos for proof, I have no interest in his sex videos. He supposidly tries to record every bang... That's one level of shit I don't want to see but I laugh as they send him naked photos frequently to try to "tie him down", all part of a large harem.

Anyway feel free to hate on guys like zyzz. No doubt they outpull 99% of this forum. End of the day all the hate needs to end at somepoint. If its not your thing fine, but I'll bet my last dollar the haters don't look anything like him. Not even close.

Conclusion? Everyone should hit the weight room. If you are not being stared at when you take off your shirt, you're not allowed to say you're in shape. Period.

[j r]

(08-13-2012 08:39 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Very little hints that he was gay, nothing really supports it.

There's a certain look that gay dudes have when they're pretending to be interested in women; it's a kind of over-the-top exaggeration. Anyone who has known closeted dudes will know what I mean. People should check out these two examples and decide for themselves whether Zyzz has that look:

[WestCoast]

Fair enough we can debate on the sexual orientation of a dead guy for the next 10 years.

Thought the point of this thread is basically "muscle dude lifestyle". Which works.

Those that have never had a 6 pack (90%+ of this forum, a bicep with a peak, and a protruding chest) have no idea what it's like.

Gay or not, being ripped even with a metro look works like a mother fucker. You need less game because the girl is already thinking about fucking you.

"you have nice arms"
"wow your abs are hot"
"how often do you work out"
"omg you're so hot"

End of the day, if you are shredded like that, who cares about the haters around you? Better to have ugly fat hater men think you're gay and get laid like a champ. Than be the guy guzzling shitty beer debating on if the guy can pull or not.

Once you are ripped you need less game, girls try to prove they are worth your time by talking more and more and more because they get horny as fuck.

Being seen next to a shredded guy draws tons of attention, you get stared at by everyone. Rather be perceived as "homo" by men for being in shape, than be fat and ugly.

[Samseau]

Kosko, maybe Zyzz died from the HIV?


But seriously, now that I think about it, Zyzz was a male stripper. Male strippers are mostly gay.

From this vid:

In the photos where Zyzz was kissing a girl, about half of them he's kissing to the side, never putting his tongue down her throat. Another huge tell is that the girls are more interested in the Camera than they are in Zyzz, in 90% of the photo's shown.

Look at this:

   

But the real clencher for me was after examining the video Kosko posted (the same one posted at Danger and Play):

The girl doesn't look like she even knows what the fuck she's doing there. She's nervous and visibly shudders when grabbed. Zyzz is no more than 22 in that vid. She looks around 26, at least (look at the flab on her arms).

If you listen closely at :09, after kissing his arm, he says "Kiss me" into her ear, barely loud enough to hear unless you turn up your volume.

"Kiss me"?

   

You don't need to tell a girl you're banging to kiss you.

Sorry, doesn't work that way. Women you're fucking will adore you, especially if she likes you enough to go on camera. If that woman was a legit bang she would have gladly kissed his arm after he did. Instead she's skittish and unsure of what the hell her role in the production is.

That woman in the video above is just a stripper whore friend Zyzz knew form his stripper circles. He obviously asked her to come on the camera; I wouldn't be surprised if he paid her.


That said, did Zyzz bone some women? Yes, absolutely, just not the ones pictured above. We have no idea about the quality of women he was fucking.

And was Zyzz also bisexual? There's no doubt in my mind. The guy obviously isn't interested in many types of girls, ones that would send any normal man into a lust fueled frenzy.


What can we learn from Zyzz?

1. Image is everything. Being fake doesn't matter as long as you convince people. Using steroids, paying girls to be in photos with you - whatever it takes. This shit reminds me of the stuff PUA companies would pull, using fake girls and field reports, in order to impress other men.

2. Muscles are admired by men more than women.

3. Being known as gay or bisexual still isn't cool, no matter what the PC police say so don't let anyone find out.

4. Being ruthless to achieve fame and success is a good idea.



To be totally honest, I think I like Zyzz more after learning the above.

[dk902]

Good post Samseau.

Quote:

2. Muscles are admired by men more than women.

I don't know about this one though.

Sure a guy with an appreciable amount of muscle is respected by other guys. But admire?

I think we know here that muscles are part of the overall package, alongside game, looks, dress sense etc.

It's been my experience in a short period of lifting for 5 years that women love men with muscles and the confidence success in the gym breeds.

How serious do you lift? I'm just curious as you have drawn that conclusion.

[Samseau]

(08-13-2012 12:41 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Good post Samseau.

Quote:

2. Muscles are admired by men more than women.

How serious do you lift? I'm just curious as you have drawn that conclusion.

6 years

[WestCoast]

Great post Sam.

Agree on all counts, being "known as bi" is no where near the same as dressing well and being seen as a "pretty boy".

Anyway big takeaway is get ripped, fuck what everyone else says and ignore all the hate.

[MikeCF]

(08-13-2012 02:22 AM)kosko Wrote:  

But the rewards are fantasized by us because we *really* don't know. We assume that the rewards and fruits of these labor are women, money, power.

I typed a long response, then I read your post again.

You are admitting that you don't have personal, first-hand knowledge. Then you project your ignorance on everyone else.

"Haters gonna hate."

[MikeCF]

Since you guys know so much, who will take this bet.

Come to L.A.

We will go out with this guy. I know first hand that he is not gay or bi, as he's one of my closet friends. (If he were gay or bi, I wouldn't care.)



(He won $10,000 contest in Vegas for his "gay" costume.)

I will bet anyone here $1,000 that more women will touch him, compliment him, and be all over him, and throw themselves at him; and that with all of your game, you won't even have 50% of the success.

Lots of muscle haters.

So it's time to put up or shut up.

[kosko]

@Samseau Thats funny becuase I respect Zyzz more for ripping schlubs off for tons of cash.

The crux of it that Women do not value the same shit that men do. What men value and perceve as value women do not care for.

Men value and respct astethics moreso then women because we respect the work that goes into it.

This is why I say dudes chasing the metro and asthethic lifestyle will always fall short. Women do not care that much and thus your wasting time and energy that can be used for other things that add more value to your life and thus up your value overall.

There is nothing wrong with being fit, riipped, healthy, while being well kept and groomed. These are classic standards that all men should attian its what elevates a man to the top with combined power and success.

But being a metro and a aesthetic king is a whole other beast because you literally start to devote as much time to you looks as femlaes do. We don't see the ammont of time femalaes waste on their apperance. The wasted hours with thier camreas taking pictures in outfits and practiscing photo poses, or the wasted hours where females put on make up for no reason but to test how it will look. The feet, the nails, the hair... etc, all takes resources but women do this because they understand that Men are 100% visual and aesthetic driven. Having two older sisters and for that short period when I had too many female friends I seen this lunacy first hand.

My sisters would waste 8-14 hrs in a day on a lazy Sunday just doing shit like getting ready 5 times over to go nowhere just to see how outfits and makeup would look.

Or my friends admitting they would spend hours in a bathroom taking self pictures and just texting their friends. Literally a whole day wasted just taking pictures of one self. I am sure Zyzz knows all about that.

Men mimicking these traits simply just get more attention form Men because they are the only ones whom really notice.

So @Westcost tone it down. I was down the aesthetic path and it got me barley any girls. Now I walk out with no hiarcut and a stubble and women can't keep their hands off me. I pay less attention to my looks now and oddly I am getting more girls... hmmmm. Strange isn't it?

Being a scruffy drug dealer will get more Vagina tingling then being a aesthetically perfect male model.

To hammer it home. This guy gets the most female attention on the planet. He is probably the most photgraphed and famous male on earth:



Yet he go/gets no bangs. Women fawn or admire him but... he gets no bangs.

And funny enough it is known that King David had Gay dreams and allusions and was probably a closet homo with biblical Johnathon lol.

So the most aesthetically perfect work of art was done by a male and based off David whom was a flaming homosexual. If females valued aesthetics as much a men do then a female would spend years sculpting a naked man and sculpting his penis (no homo).

They didn't and never will because ... "they just don't care that much broo" (as I channel the Zyzz vibe).....

[MikeCF]

(08-13-2012 01:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  

The crux of it that Women do not value the same shit that men do. What men value and perceve as value women do not care for.

Next time you are out with a 6'2" fitness model, let me know how your night goes.

[WestCoast]

There is no anger in my tone.

Take off your shirt do you have a 6 pack, 8-13 inch drop, sub 7% body fat and at least biceps that are 2x size of wrist roughly 1.5x size of forearms.

I owe my most recent bang (Saturday) due to two things. Giovanny's direct day game approach and step 2 taking off my shirt. Within 20 minutes she went to the bar and got a guy to buy her a shot and handed it to me. Then proceeded to say "you have nice abs" and took me home after that. Minimal game

I'd wager that people who hate on muscle game that have tried never got far enough to see the benefits. But not going to get into a pissing match over that. Not to mention the health benefits of being in amazing shape. Sub 50 resting heart rate an lifting 160%+ in the gym.

[ElJefe]

that's 160% what? bodyweight? what lift? if it's a snatch ur a beast!

if it's just bench well...

sub 50 sounds pretty cool though. You just convinced me to get off my ass!

[WestCoast]

My stats are on an ectomorph workout routine thread I started. Note I do less squats because I was previously training for elite level endurance sports for over a decade so I have over developed legs.

Anyway to stay on topic. For every fat fuck who gets laid like a champ there are millions who don't. For every fitness model who doesn't get laid like a champ there are millions who do.

Feel free to play the game as you wish. I'd prefer getting ripped to shreds, all natty.


Another good barometer. When the girl runs her hand up your shirt on the dance floor does she then literally unbutton your shirt or at least teasingly try to? If not, you've never gotten fit enough.

(08-13-2012 01:43 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

that's 160% what? bodyweight? what lift? if it's a snatch ur a beast!

if it's just bench well...

sub 50 sounds pretty cool though. You just convinced me to get off my ass!

[kosko]

(08-13-2012 01:23 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

There is no anger in my tone.

Take off your shirt do you have a 6 pack, 8-13 inch drop, sub 7% body fat and at least biceps that are 2x size of wrist roughly 1.5x size of forearms.

I owe my most recent bang (Saturday) due to two things. Giovanny's direct day game approach and step 2 taking off my shirt. Within 20 minutes she went to the bar and got a guy to buy her a shot and handed it to me. Then proceeded to say "you have nice abs" and too me home after that. Minimal game

I'd wager that people who hate on muscle game that have tried never got far enough to see the benefits. But not going to get into a pissing match over that. Not to mention the health benefits of being in amazing shape. Sub 50 resting heart rate an lifting 160%+ in the gym.

I'm impressed but if you told a girl these things would she care?

Your building a male 'hamster wheel' for yourself.

But since men don't have wheels. I guess it would made of stone and look like this:



That is my analogy to @Westcoast and @MikeCF

You both sounding like females right now


-----
Westcoast


With your abs making all the difference. I never said it did not what I am saying is that a obsession with aesthetics does more harm than good. There is a threshold or a rubicon you cross on it maybe you have not yet but when you do you will notice. Or if you have always been up there take a step back and see how many more women notice you. That's what happened to me.

You holding up a false idol, a Gold cow... worshiping the David Model™ (AKA the MaleHamster™ ) yet David was a rabid homosexual that is what I am getting at. If females cared so much for the aesthetics then a female would toil her hands to create David.

If the fact that the most revered and aesthetically perfect male on earth was a homosexual does not hammer in what aesthetics means in the grand scheme with Male-Female-attraction.. then iunno what else to tell you.

Women value looks and aesthetics... of course.. and to a point, but their attraction and desire for sex is built from a assortment of aspects versus the concrete and visual driven aspects of males. to dispute that means your too dense.

Aesthetics - is simply something Men value more.

[WestCoast]

Yes men value aesthetics more. That's just like saying men value looks more. Ofcourse true. But using that as a basis to not work out is crazy. You should want to look like that guy.

The girl doesn't care about my "stats" she only sees.

If you want when I get home I can PM you a direct text I received on Sunday.

Her: "Heyyyy was I all over you last night I remember a 6 pack"
Me: "yeah a little "
Her: "lol! good can't wait to see you soon"

Shoot for perfection land on amazing

Finally, when you are super ripped you can just pull bitches out of your gym, so the "time argument" goes out the widow as well.

[MikeCF]

kosko admits that he doesn't have a good body and that he doesn't have any model friends.

What more needs to be said?

[Samseau]

(08-13-2012 01:04 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Since you guys know so much, who will take this bet.

Come to L.A.

We will go out with this guy. I know first hand that he is not gay or bi, as he's one of my closet friends. (If he were gay or bi, I wouldn't care.)



(He won $10,000 contest in Vegas for his "gay" costume.)

I will bet anyone here $1,000 that more women will touch him, compliment him, and be all over him, and throw themselves at him; and that with all of your game, you won't even have 50% of the success.

Who cares?

There are dudes in hipster bands that play locally only NYC and fuck a few different girls aged between 18-21 every week, and they'll be weak little vegans and thinner than the average guy who plays on a Junior High Football team.


Scoring pussy comes down to three things:

1. Being king of your social environment.
2. Making sure your social environment has lots of pretty girls.
3. Having the balls to fuck them.


If your friend went to NYC to try and out pull at some indie rock concert, he'd probably get destroyed by the guys in the band.

But so what? It doesn't matter. He does well in LA, and I'm sure that the members out of the NYC rock group wouldn't be able to go to the same clubs or bars as he does and out-pull him.

Game is relative to so many factors it is impossible to do direct comparisons between men.

[WestCoast]

The point is more along the lines of muscle dude game. I agree a rock band hipster can pull. But then you're a rock band hipster.

Would hope that the average man would prefer to be ripped, wealthy and healthy. Instead of skinny and poor. Assuming the pussy flow is equal.

Anyway whole point of this is just opinions on zyzz type game. Personally all for it. Mixing everything into an awesome life. Fitness and women. Try to combine everything to improve our lives in every aspect.

If only we could all be professional coaches. Can't even imagine beig the head coach at say USC, or MIami. Making millions, working in sports and being healthy.

This is why looking up to sports can be a positive. All 3 cylinders clicking.

But if people don't want it all then this is dead wrong. Why be average when you can be amazing.

[MikeCF]

(08-13-2012 02:59 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game is relative to so many factors it is impossible to do direct comparisons between men.

LA, SD, and Vegas have the hottest women in the U.S.

LA has the most competition. The best looking guys in the U.S. go to make it in the industry. There is a lot a ton of money in the area.

If you can pull in LA, you can pull anywhere.

If a guy can't pull quality in LA, he's still in the pee wee leagues.

So how a guy would do in LA will always be the standard that "running game" in the U.S. is measured by.

[bacan]

(08-13-2012 01:23 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

There is no anger in my tone.

Take off your shirt do you have a 6 pack, 8-13 inch drop, sub 7% body fat and at least biceps that are 2x size of wrist roughly 1.5x size of forearms.

I owe my most recent bang (Saturday) due to two things. Giovanny's direct day game approach and step 2 taking off my shirt. Within 20 minutes she went to the bar and got a guy to buy her a shot and handed it to me. Then proceeded to say "you have nice abs" and took me home after that. Minimal game

I'd wager that people who hate on muscle game that have tried never got far enough to see the benefits. But not going to get into a pissing match over that. Not to mention the health benefits of being in amazing shape. Sub 50 resting heart rate an lifting 160%+ in the gym.

Nice comments. I like the remark too about not being in shape unless people stare when you take off your shirt. What is an 8-13 inch drop?

I am putting serious effort into my body the second half of 2012 and I want to see some of these results as well. I don't see the point of arguing against having an elite body unless you have a better way to use your time than in the gym.

In theory people could invest their time in hoping they end up in some semi-famous band or something, but going to the gym in a guaranteed way to get with hotter girls with no risk of failure involved.

[Screwston]

(08-13-2012 06:31 AM)houston Wrote:  

It's like his fanboys get so offended if you disrespect him in any way.

[WestCoast]

Measure your chest, across your nipples all the way around your back, flat of course. Measure your waist just above your hip bone.

Roughly your jacket size say 44R and a waist (pants size) of 30 inches would be a 14" drop.

It's not prefect because it depends on your frame and other factors. Bigger dudes have to work on their waist more than chest, switches for natural skinny guys.

Alternatively: measure your wrist and type in Greco roman ideal body calculator in google. Shave off an inch or so off all measurements that seem extreme for you and that's your fitness goal. If you can't see your abs without flexing your body fat % is still too high.

Getting stared at is the bare minimum to say you have a nice body, 90%+ people won't get there. Top 10% in almost any activity is getting laid. Have not met a single in shape guy who has not seen benefits, most quit to early or look flabby. Fuck that. Girls should ask you the following questions:

"what are you like 2% body fat like skim milk?"
"oh my god I wasn't expecting your body to be so firm"
(lift her up with one arm) "oh my you're so strong!" (throw her in the air like a toy)
"why do you even wear a shirt?"

Fat girls and out of shape guys
"eww you're so conceited"
"wow you must really want attention"
"I like my guys with some fat on them" (yes because you are fat)
"you must be insecure"

Never will you meet a man who comes home and says "Damn so mad that I Worked out today!"

Who cares about this guy, honestly never heard of him before D&P article. Point is if you've never been in shape you're probably just Hating.

Being average is womanly.

[j r]

I don't understand how making comments about this Zyzz dude has become equated with being against working out or "hating." Personally, to me this guy looks like a clown, but I'm sure that he pulled mad ass. Mystery and Neill Strauss pulled mad ass running around wearing fuzzy hats and doing magic tricks. If I say that fuzzy hats and magic tricks aren't my style, does that mean I'm "hating" on game? Of course not. I have mad respect for Mystery and Neil Strauss. They did their thing. And this dude did his thing as well. Good for him. Although, if he was closeted, that might have caused him a lot of inner turmoil, which is terrible. I don't wish that on anybody.

Like I said earlier, maybe this is a generation thing. I'm closing in on 40, so the whole internet celebrity thing just seems weird to me. I came of age before Facebook and YouTube, so I'm still of the mentality that bad boy moves in silence and violence. Maybe that's an outdated way of thinking and maybe I should adjust. Who knows? I'll just have to see what the next 40 years has in store for me.