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Just leave it at white. What does being American have to do with anything.
It is the hope of every single Vietnamese girl to get married, have children and live peacefully. Even the most westernized women here want that (due to cultural norms, pressure from family etc). If you dont utilize this to your advantage, invariably, you won't be getting laid as much as you could
Polero would not have had that many lays without his fabricated story. They all came to his hotel too. See how potent that form of game is? The meta here is second date bang, but Polero provided massive comfort and hope for something long term game, and it reaped dividends.
When I run game, depending on the girl, I also use this sort of hope game. I am open to a LTR, I am living here so none of what I am saying is a lie. However, I wouldnt start a LTR with anything less than a 7, so for any girl less than that, I'll run hope game by saying shit like "if I meet the right one I'm open to a LTR" despite the fact that if they are anything lower than a 7, they're automatically disqualified from being LTR material. In this sense, what I'm doing isn't truly deceptive at all (not saying you're saying I'm deceptive either).
Conversely, what Polero did WAS deceptive. Now the question begs, is it the wrong thing to do? To answer that, we could look to our moral compass (which is shaped by circumstance) or we could look at the implication/consequences on the woman/women undergoing this sort of 'hope game's.
The most glaringly obvious repercussions to me are 1: a lack of faith/negative connotations towards western men and/or (depending on the number of occurrences) men in general 2: degraded self-esteem due to the perception of 'not being deemed good enough' by the PUA in question to start a LTR and 3: general frustration.
It is my opinion that these repercussions are not particularly severe. With experience, these women will learn to see through the lies, become more wary, discerning. The woman/women have not lost anything at all. And for the women in question, allowing sex for the chance to lock down a high value Male who COULD be telling the truth is a price that they deem worthy to pay.
TL;DR giving women false hope is not a major deal. The only issue is whether you feel comfortable within yourself as a man to lie for sex. The damage done to the female is relatively minimal and the potential prize for the female is huge.
My two cents
Just leave it at white. What does being American have to do with anything.
It is the hope of every single Vietnamese girl to get married, have children and live peacefully. Even the most westernized women here want that (due to cultural norms, pressure from family etc). If you dont utilize this to your advantage, invariably, you won't be getting laid as much as you could
Polero would not have had that many lays without his fabricated story. They all came to his hotel too. See how potent that form of game is? The meta here is second date bang, but Polero provided massive comfort and hope for something long term game, and it reaped dividends.
When I run game, depending on the girl, I also use this sort of hope game. I am open to a LTR, I am living here so none of what I am saying is a lie. However, I wouldnt start a LTR with anything less than a 7, so for any girl less than that, I'll run hope game by saying shit like "if I meet the right one I'm open to a LTR" despite the fact that if they are anything lower than a 7, they're automatically disqualified from being LTR material. In this sense, what I'm doing isn't truly deceptive at all (not saying you're saying I'm deceptive either).
Conversely, what Polero did WAS deceptive. Now the question begs, is it the wrong thing to do? To answer that, we could look to our moral compass (which is shaped by circumstance) or we could look at the implication/consequences on the woman/women undergoing this sort of 'hope game's.
The most glaringly obvious repercussions to me are 1: a lack of faith/negative connotations towards western men and/or (depending on the number of occurrences) men in general 2: degraded self-esteem due to the perception of 'not being deemed good enough' by the PUA in question to start a LTR and 3: general frustration.
It is my opinion that these repercussions are not particularly severe. With experience, these women will learn to see through the lies, become more wary, discerning. The woman/women have not lost anything at all. And for the women in question, allowing sex for the chance to lock down a high value Male who COULD be telling the truth is a price that they deem worthy to pay.
TL;DR giving women false hope is not a major deal. The only issue is whether you feel comfortable within yourself as a man to lie for sex. The damage done to the female is relatively minimal and the potential prize for the female is huge.
My two cents
Vietnamese are gold-diggers and at the same level as Filipinas basically, just slightly higher IQ. No one should have remorse for using them as sex dumpsters. People don't go to a shitty country to on top of that have do follow a 2 dates rule to get the "privilege" to penetrate some opportunistic hoes from online.
Yea you guys need to stop putting Viet women on such a massive pedestal. Yea, there's some angels here but there's plenty of hoes just like anywhere else. American guy in my building just broke up with his gf because he caught her sending nudies pics to a bunch of other dudes. Not an uncommon scenario.
Also virtually every girl on tinder or online has been pumped and dumped by a few Westerners so that image has already been soured a bit. Unless you speak Vietnamese and hanging around in those tight-nit local circles, you're unlikely to meet a girl who hasn't.
That said, they don't really care because we're better looking, have some money, and don't beat our women like local guys do.
Also virtually every girl on tinder or online has been pumped and dumped by a few Westerners so that image has already been soured a bit. Unless you speak Vietnamese and hanging around in those tight-nit local circles, you're unlikely to meet a girl who hasn't.
That said, they don't really care because we're better looking, have some money, and don't beat our women like local guys do.
@ ISR92: I feel VERY comfortable ha!
Now, seriously guys, I never meant to cause all this controversy, I just wanted to be totally honest with you guys and give you the full picture as to how the bangs happened. I could have not said anything about my "story" but then the whole report would've been incomplete and other travelers would have thought: "Okay, so Polero got 7 chicks in 8 days, how come it's more difficult for me and I'm not getting the same results"? I'm sure similar or better results can be achieved with other methods, I chose mine and believe me when I say I have no remorse.
Fabricating a story it's something I've done many times knowing that it'd give me much better results, I've done this in many countries and cities and my results have been much better because of doing so. I anticipated other forum members would disagree with my methods and I have no issues with that, we can just talk here and share are viewpoints but let's try to all go back to adding value to this forum, either reports, stories or whatever.
Let me share with you an interesting story and how I realized being dishonest with chicks could just be part of the game: many years ago I met this dude in the Ukraine, Russian guy, I think I was in Odessa. This guy was just traveling in the Ukraine but he'd tell chicks that he had just moved there. I hang out with him a few times and he said he was telling the girls he was actually German but had "lived in Russia for some time so that's why spoke Russian so well" LOL, he had a car with German license plates, he had a German passport too (Fake?). I was shocked. My game at the time sucked and his was really sharp, he was getting laid lots and in 10 days in the Ukraine I just got one chick. This guy not only had the story going but he was very smart, well traveled, spoke several languages and was good looking (no homo). In other words, this guy knew what every girl wanted and he had created this dream for them. BOOM!!
Now, seriously guys, I never meant to cause all this controversy, I just wanted to be totally honest with you guys and give you the full picture as to how the bangs happened. I could have not said anything about my "story" but then the whole report would've been incomplete and other travelers would have thought: "Okay, so Polero got 7 chicks in 8 days, how come it's more difficult for me and I'm not getting the same results"? I'm sure similar or better results can be achieved with other methods, I chose mine and believe me when I say I have no remorse.
Fabricating a story it's something I've done many times knowing that it'd give me much better results, I've done this in many countries and cities and my results have been much better because of doing so. I anticipated other forum members would disagree with my methods and I have no issues with that, we can just talk here and share are viewpoints but let's try to all go back to adding value to this forum, either reports, stories or whatever.
Let me share with you an interesting story and how I realized being dishonest with chicks could just be part of the game: many years ago I met this dude in the Ukraine, Russian guy, I think I was in Odessa. This guy was just traveling in the Ukraine but he'd tell chicks that he had just moved there. I hang out with him a few times and he said he was telling the girls he was actually German but had "lived in Russia for some time so that's why spoke Russian so well" LOL, he had a car with German license plates, he had a German passport too (Fake?). I was shocked. My game at the time sucked and his was really sharp, he was getting laid lots and in 10 days in the Ukraine I just got one chick. This guy not only had the story going but he was very smart, well traveled, spoke several languages and was good looking (no homo). In other words, this guy knew what every girl wanted and he had created this dream for them. BOOM!!
Quote: (01-15-2019 01:52 AM)Trumpian Wrote:
Yea you guys need to stop putting Viet women on such a massive pedestal. Yea, there's some angels here but there's plenty of hoes just like anywhere else. American guy in my building just broke up with his gf because he caught her sending nudies pics to a bunch of other dudes. Not an uncommon scenario.
Also virtually every girl on tinder or online has been pumped and dumped by a few Westerners so that image has already been soured a bit. Unless you speak Vietnamese and hanging around in those tight-nit local circles, you're unlikely to meet a girl who hasn't.
That said, they don't really care because we're better looking, have some money, and don't beat our women like local guys do.
Agreed. This is why I didn't get on Polero's case for not being totally honest with the girls he met online (I only alluded to it but I didn't mean to start something here). It makes sense that online girls here are more opportunistic (as evidenced by Polero's report) than most. There are tons of good girls here who would make excellent LTRs and wives, even moreso than most other countries even in SEA/EE/LA, but you won't meet them on tinder anyway.
Quote: (01-15-2019 01:02 AM)Dreams of Sniffing~~ Wrote:
Vietnamese are gold-diggers and at the same level as Filipinas basically, just slightly higher IQ. No one should have remorse for using them as sex dumpsters. People don't go to a shitty country to on top of that have do follow a 2 dates rule to get the "privilege" to penetrate some opportunistic hoes from online.
Outside of Saigon there may be more gold digger. But Saigon is a place for doing business, it's the economic capital of the country. People are focused on making money.
Some info :
"Jennings also pointed out: “Vietnam’s middle class will double by 2020 to 33 million people.” Members of this group earn at least US$714 a month, enough to have disposable income to inject back into the economy."
"Chicago-based financial and professional services firm JLL ranked HCMC the world’s second most dynamic city, after India’s Bangalore.” Saigon was regarded as a “High Potential City” driven by low costs, market expansion and high levels of foreign investment."
"While developing a healthier middle class, Saigon has also seen a 400% rise in multimillionaires since 2004."
https://saigoneer.com/saigon-news/10923-...my-by-2021
Also :
"Ho Chi Minh City has the highest average monthly salary in Vietnam, at more than 38 per cent higher than the national average, according to the latest report from Vietnamworks."
"The minimum average salary is around $456 monthly and $5,465 annually, 38 per cent higher than the national average. "
"Management-level candidates in Ho Chi Minh City, Hanoi, Binh Duong and Quang Ninh mostly apply for jobs with a salary from $1,000 to $2,000,"
"Along with Navigos Search, VietnamWorks is a member of the Navigos Group Vietnam, a long-standing and leading recruitment service provider in Vietnam. Navigos Group Vietnam recently launched Primus, a new career platform for senior management jobs with a minimum salary of $3,000."
https://vneconomictimes.com/article/viet...age-salary
If you date educated women with >5y experience, working in the corporate world, it's not rare that they are doing more or equal money than the lambda English teacher or US middle class guy, or that their salary will soon compete with.
I'm finding daygame here in ho chi minh city to be a nightmare if your rolling single. I was out for two nights now this week and approached like 1 target. Almost nearly every girl I see is either with her friend, a bf, or family. There is hardly any chicks wandering outside by themselves. I think I saw like 2-3 chicks only today when I was out for 2.5 hrs in d1 and only one of them was decent looking. There was all these cute girls but they were all with at least 1 other person. Walking around the mall didn't help much neither. The girls working in the stores have way too many co-workers around. I spotted two cute chicks working at the nike store but there were at least 2 other guys working there and I ended up getting followed around by one of the male co-workers thinking I needed help, which basically meant I automatically got cockblocked. Some of the other shops are hit and miss with the talent.
I'm getting extremely frustrated with this.
I'm getting extremely frustrated with this.
Ya going out to deliberately "day game" in Saigon isn't a working strategy. There's that new pedestrian street in D1 Nguyen Hue - that's got lots of traffic, you could try that.
That said, really what you need to internalize is that you can just talk to them wherever. Chilling/working in a cafe and see a hottie? Just go up and start talking. Your value is so high you can basically do whatever kind of approach you want.
To be clear: Don't worry about her friends/the other people around. I approached a hottie at a cafe where she was with two other girls and her guy friend. As soon as I stuck in they all basically ignored us and talked amongst themselves.
I had a fun one where some chick was on her phone at the Starbucks eyeballing me waiting for my drink. So after I got my drink I sat at her table and said "Hey, sorry I'm late!"
She looked shocked, and understood English. But she was facetiming with her boyfriend at the time and turned the phone so we could see each other. He didn't look impressed. Fun though.
There's some other stories like that.
Anyway - think of it like advanced day game. Don't go out to game. Live your life, be around where the chicas are. Talk to them when they're hot.
Also, go to places like Outcast and Acoustic where there are lots of expats and cool shit happening. You'll be able to get a social circle pretty quick. I'd avoid places like Lush and Sky Bar unless you're going with friends or just want to pick up a hoe.
If you're just on a short term bang mission, well, you'll get the dregs we've been hearing so much about. The Vietnamese girls know that they're used goods at 27+. The men REALLY know that.
That said, really what you need to internalize is that you can just talk to them wherever. Chilling/working in a cafe and see a hottie? Just go up and start talking. Your value is so high you can basically do whatever kind of approach you want.
To be clear: Don't worry about her friends/the other people around. I approached a hottie at a cafe where she was with two other girls and her guy friend. As soon as I stuck in they all basically ignored us and talked amongst themselves.
I had a fun one where some chick was on her phone at the Starbucks eyeballing me waiting for my drink. So after I got my drink I sat at her table and said "Hey, sorry I'm late!"
She looked shocked, and understood English. But she was facetiming with her boyfriend at the time and turned the phone so we could see each other. He didn't look impressed. Fun though.
There's some other stories like that.
Anyway - think of it like advanced day game. Don't go out to game. Live your life, be around where the chicas are. Talk to them when they're hot.
Also, go to places like Outcast and Acoustic where there are lots of expats and cool shit happening. You'll be able to get a social circle pretty quick. I'd avoid places like Lush and Sky Bar unless you're going with friends or just want to pick up a hoe.
If you're just on a short term bang mission, well, you'll get the dregs we've been hearing so much about. The Vietnamese girls know that they're used goods at 27+. The men REALLY know that.
Quote: (01-15-2019 01:24 PM)Malone Wrote:
Ya going out to deliberately "day game" in Saigon isn't a working strategy. There's that new pedestrian street in D1 Nguyen Hue - that's got lots of traffic, you could try that.
That said, really what you need to internalize is that you can just talk to them wherever. Chilling/working in a cafe and see a hottie? Just go up and start talking. Your value is so high you can basically do whatever kind of approach you want.
To be clear: Don't worry about her friends/the other people around. I approached a hottie at a cafe where she was with two other girls and her guy friend. As soon as I stuck in they all basically ignored us and talked amongst themselves.
I had a fun one where some chick was on her phone at the Starbucks eyeballing me waiting for my drink. So after I got my drink I sat at her table and said "Hey, sorry I'm late!"
She looked shocked, and understood English. But she was facetiming with her boyfriend at the time and turned the phone so we could see each other. He didn't look impressed. Fun though.
There's some other stories like that.
Anyway - think of it like advanced day game. Don't go out to game. Live your life, be around where the chicas are. Talk to them when they're hot.
Also, go to places like Outcast and Acoustic where there are lots of expats and cool shit happening. You'll be able to get a social circle pretty quick. I'd avoid places like Lush and Sky Bar unless you're going with friends or just want to pick up a hoe.
If you're just on a short term bang mission, well, you'll get the dregs we've been hearing so much about. The Vietnamese girls know that they're used goods at 27+. The men REALLY know that.
That's where I went, nguyen hue street along with the saigon center. A shit tonne of pairs and some of them were really hot but damn I was rolling solo. I hadn't had much success with groups in the past. My biggest success so far has mainly come from the promo chicks working at the big supermarkets. They usually open me or I inquire about what they are promoting.
I also don't want to camp out on nguyen hue street, there's a crap tonne of security and cops there. One time I was trying to book a grab ride home at 12:30am, but was not having success. I stood at corner for maybe 5 minutes and then a cop with a machine gun told me to move along lol.
I'll try approaching a few group sets this week and report back. Hopefully the reception will be much better then what I have been used to in the past.
Quote: (01-15-2019 02:02 PM)destiny Wrote:
That's where I went, nguyen hue street along with the saigon center. A shit tonne of pairs and some of them were really hot but damn I was rolling solo. I hadn't had much success with groups in the past. My biggest success so far has mainly come from the promo chicks working at the big supermarkets. They usually open me or I inquire about what they are promoting.
I also don't want to camp out on nguyen hue street, there's a crap tonne of security and cops there. One time I was trying to book a grab ride home at 12:30am, but was not having success. I stood at corner for maybe 5 minutes and then a cop with a machine gun told me to move along lol.
I'll try approaching a few group sets this week and report back. Hopefully the reception will be much better then what I have been used to in the past.
You've kind of missed the point here. I said the opposite of "hangout on Nguyen Hue."
You haven't had success with the promo girls. They're doing their job.
Stop thinking about sets and moving from attraction to comfort. Are you literally only there to practice pickup?
Quote: (01-15-2019 03:03 PM)Malone Wrote:
Quote: (01-15-2019 02:02 PM)destiny Wrote:
That's where I went, nguyen hue street along with the saigon center. A shit tonne of pairs and some of them were really hot but damn I was rolling solo. I hadn't had much success with groups in the past. My biggest success so far has mainly come from the promo chicks working at the big supermarkets. They usually open me or I inquire about what they are promoting.
I also don't want to camp out on nguyen hue street, there's a crap tonne of security and cops there. One time I was trying to book a grab ride home at 12:30am, but was not having success. I stood at corner for maybe 5 minutes and then a cop with a machine gun told me to move along lol.
I'll try approaching a few group sets this week and report back. Hopefully the reception will be much better then what I have been used to in the past.
You've kind of missed the point here. I said the opposite of "hangout on Nguyen Hue."
You haven't had success with the promo girls. They're doing their job.
Stop thinking about sets and moving from attraction to comfort. Are you literally only there to practice pickup?
I've gotten 3 numbers from promo girls and 1 date out of it. I'd consider that a small success.
$350/month is more like the local price - $1100/month is high for an apartment in Vũng Tàu (tourist/foreigner pricing). I rented a 1-bedroom with an ocean view for 7 million VND/month 2 years ago. 2-bedroom house for 8 million after that. Friends of mine rent larger houses (4 bedrooms) for around $1000/month but that’s for a very big house.
Vũng Tàu to the airport isn’t too bad of a journey. You can go direct from your place to the airport with one of the VIP van services (Hoa Mai, Toan Thang, etc. - just google it) - they ask for your flight # to make sure they pick you up on time.
Vinhomes Central Park is expensive - 15-17 million VND/month for a 1-bedroom. Cheaper and but still nice apartments can be found in D2.
You can save a lot more living in Vũng Tàu as everything is cheaper, but definitely more of a chill, sleepy town than HCMC, especially during the week.
Vũng Tàu to the airport isn’t too bad of a journey. You can go direct from your place to the airport with one of the VIP van services (Hoa Mai, Toan Thang, etc. - just google it) - they ask for your flight # to make sure they pick you up on time.
Vinhomes Central Park is expensive - 15-17 million VND/month for a 1-bedroom. Cheaper and but still nice apartments can be found in D2.
You can save a lot more living in Vũng Tàu as everything is cheaper, but definitely more of a chill, sleepy town than HCMC, especially during the week.
Very nice report on what VN economy will be https://www.pwc.com/vn/en/publications/2...ietnam.pdf
"In line with an average per capita growth of
5% over the past decade, a typical middle-
class Vietnamese will see his or her income
rising from just under USD6,000 today to
at least USD15,000 by 2035 (in 2011 PPP
terms)—comparable to Malaysia in 2001 or
Brazil in 2014. By 2050, this figure will double
to USD30,000. "
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"In line with an average per capita growth of
5% over the past decade, a typical middle-
class Vietnamese will see his or her income
rising from just under USD6,000 today to
at least USD15,000 by 2035 (in 2011 PPP
terms)—comparable to Malaysia in 2001 or
Brazil in 2014. By 2050, this figure will double
to USD30,000. "
I've just ran 10 days on tinder and bumble from fresh.
Bumble is 95% western women on here - I would say the quality is higher with western women in terms of conversation and them making an effort, but there is only roughly about 150 women in HCMC. I think out of 40 or 50 right swipes (i'm generous with swipes) I got about 30 matches, but only one date and one lay (theres now no women left in the area to swipe on).
Tinder is way more abundant here. I would say 95% of users are non westerners (Vietnamese and Koreans and filipina) maybe 5% are from western countries. I've been swiping 50 or so profiles a day for the last 10 days and i'm still not through with the area. Got about 200 matches but I've hardly messaged any of them properly. Had one date from tinder which went well and I'm seeing her again.
Bumble here is virtually a waste of time unless you want a western woman for a relationship (people don't use that app for hookups as much).
Tinder is king. Matches abundance. You just have to screen them with their English as some of them cant hold a conversation.
Hope this post helps. I've got a ton of experience in this city already with previous years of being here but I wanted to try it all again from a fresh start. If anyone has question on the dating scene then ask away.
Bumble is 95% western women on here - I would say the quality is higher with western women in terms of conversation and them making an effort, but there is only roughly about 150 women in HCMC. I think out of 40 or 50 right swipes (i'm generous with swipes) I got about 30 matches, but only one date and one lay (theres now no women left in the area to swipe on).
Tinder is way more abundant here. I would say 95% of users are non westerners (Vietnamese and Koreans and filipina) maybe 5% are from western countries. I've been swiping 50 or so profiles a day for the last 10 days and i'm still not through with the area. Got about 200 matches but I've hardly messaged any of them properly. Had one date from tinder which went well and I'm seeing her again.
Bumble here is virtually a waste of time unless you want a western woman for a relationship (people don't use that app for hookups as much).
Tinder is king. Matches abundance. You just have to screen them with their English as some of them cant hold a conversation.
Hope this post helps. I've got a ton of experience in this city already with previous years of being here but I wanted to try it all again from a fresh start. If anyone has question on the dating scene then ask away.
Quote: (01-18-2019 01:07 AM)airelibre Wrote:
You can save a lot more living in Vũng Tàu as everything is cheaper, but definitely more of a chill, sleepy town than HCMC, especially during the week.
The bars around Front Beach are packed with hookers.
I was quite intimidated walking into a bar and having 20 girls look at me.
(MK Bar to the beach and around the corner)
Throwing this out here for you Saigon vets: After walking all of D1, D3, D4, and D2 Thao Dien, Binh Thanh Saigon Pearl I still couldn't shake the impression that late night food after 12am is pretty much only around Bui Vien.
Am I missing a hidden area somewhere? Posting up in a tower above a mall is great until 10pm when the mall shuts. Is Bui Vien the only place for late night food?
Am I missing a hidden area somewhere? Posting up in a tower above a mall is great until 10pm when the mall shuts. Is Bui Vien the only place for late night food?
I found that too , its VERY annoying how early everything shuts.. especially my fucking apartment gates !
I'm in HCM. Who wants to come out for drinks/gaming? Asian dude, early 30s.
"Bumble here is virtually a waste of time unless you want a western woman for a relationship (people don't use that app for hookups as much)."
would you date a western woman for relationship? Alot of those in Bali too, i would say tinder is 40% western woman looking for a guy and many of them live in Bali as a 'nomad'.
would you date a western woman for relationship? Alot of those in Bali too, i would say tinder is 40% western woman looking for a guy and many of them live in Bali as a 'nomad'.
Quote: (02-18-2019 02:15 PM)cosworth Wrote:
I found that too , its VERY annoying how early everything shuts.. especially my fucking apartment gates !
I see you are living in one the low rise private buildings. What are your thoughts on moving to a high rise project building?
I'm in one now and entry is keyless, security is around but you don't have to buzz them to open the gate.
As you probably know there is a law on registering guests, so as long as you don't need to deal with security guards then you'll probably be ok.
Planning my trip now, have a few questions for the vets. Are pharmacies in Vietnam as laid back as Thailand? Can I get testosterone easily? Are there any good gyms around district 3 that let you pay to use for the day? Do I need proof of onward travel to enter the country? Feel free to PM me.
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