[Caligula]

(05-09-2012 12:18 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

That said, I wonder if it counts if the porn is homemade with someone you are (or were previously) banging? Because I have some footage.

It's the constant novelty / new stimulus part of online porn that causes problems. You can get a new 'experience' many times per minute if you want.

This won't be a problem with homemade porn, unless you've been really prolific.

[finton_the_toole]

This discussion started about internet porn and ended up about how many times a day people jerk off. My comments were regarding internet porn. I stopped using. Life is better now.

[_DC_]

I really like the candy/shitty food analogy (I've heard the analogy but I'll expound upon it myself):

Our bodies are made to forage for food and get a dopamine release in finding quality food, foraging for yummy berries, working hard to kill a beast, etc. We used to have to WORK for it and the reward circuitry made this possible.
Now we have extremely calorie dense food that would blow the minds of our ancestors like a bag of wild berry Skittles. The shear concentration of energy in there just blows anything in the wild out of the water. People eat fast food or candy and feel great for a short period of time. You basically overwhelm your brain (especially if you do it often) and "normal life" seems dull and unexciting, with no motivation to pursue anything (when you have high-dense available at your closest grocery store).

Is this not a great analogy to porn?? You have perfect 10s getting stuffed in every hole, any way you like it. You can be on Pornhub.com or RedTube.com etc, and can literally see 100 extremely attractive females in an hour, if you watch a tens of seconds of video at a time (I think we've all done this). Its complete and utter overload, something our brains are completely unadapted for.

This makes tons of sense to me when after 4-5 days off of the fap-train, I find normal looking cute women (not perfect 10s) attractive again. I get a pump of good feelings off a simple smile or can admire a non-perfect-10 ass in front of me. You have a motivation to pursue things found in nature, since you're brain hasn't' been hijacked and overwhelmed.

[oldnemesis]

(05-09-2012 09:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

If you guys wank despite having lizards, y'all are some wild foot soldiers, to say the least, lol.

This seem to be a quite common complain by American wives - that their husbands wank to porn instead of fucking them.

Makes me wonder how much of their complain is due to her recognition that she has no sexual power over him anymore.

[Excelsior]

(05-09-2012 01:17 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Is this not a great analogy to porn?? You have perfect 10s getting stuffed in every hole, any way you like it. You can be on Pornhub.com or RedTube.com etc, and can literally see 100 extremely attractive females in an hour, if you watch a tens of seconds of video at a time (I think we've all done this). Its complete and utter overload, something our brains are completely unadapted for.

This makes tons of sense to me when after 4-5 days off of the fap-train, I find normal looking cute women (not perfect 10s) attractive again. I get a pump of good feelings off a simple smile or can admire a non-perfect-10 ass in front of me. You have a motivation to pursue things found in nature, since you're brain hasn't' been hijacked and overwhelmed.

Do people really not understand that there is more than one kind of porn in existence?

The fact is this: for every individual pro/studio produced western porn vid featuring a tanned, made up, often fake-boobed model assuming a bunch of exaggerated positions and pretending to be aroused there are dozens of amateur, semi-pro and non-western flicks featuring plenty of ordinary, cute girls (8's, 7's, 6's, 5's and, if you're into that sort of thing, old/obese 3's, 2's and 1's) enjoying more realistic sexual experiences with people they like?

This type of thing really isn't that hard to find. In fact, I'd contend that it is easier to find than the stuff featuring your aforementioned "perfect 10s".

Here's just one example (link blatantly NSFW). There are hundreds of others. If for whatever reason you find yourself drawn to porn and seek to keep your real-life expectations intact, there are plenty of options available to you. This kind of non-pro stuff is about 90% of what I look at, and I have never had any of the problems you mentioned (inability to admire ass of ordinary girl, inability to appreciate smile of cute girl, inability to motivate oneself to pursue cute girl, etc).

Remember: it isn't hard to maintain attraction to "real girls" after looking at porn when most of your porn consists of real girls.

[_DC_]

(05-09-2012 04:37 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 01:17 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Is this not a great analogy to porn?? You have perfect 10s getting stuffed in every hole, any way you like it. You can be on Pornhub.com or RedTube.com etc, and can literally see 100 extremely attractive females in an hour, if you watch a tens of seconds of video at a time (I think we've all done this). Its complete and utter overload, something our brains are completely unadapted for.

This makes tons of sense to me when after 4-5 days off of the fap-train, I find normal looking cute women (not perfect 10s) attractive again. I get a pump of good feelings off a simple smile or can admire a non-perfect-10 ass in front of me. You have a motivation to pursue things found in nature, since you're brain hasn't' been hijacked and overwhelmed.

Do people really not understand that there is more than one kind of porn in existence?

The fact is this: for every individual pro/studio produced western porn vid featuring a tanned, made up, often fake-boobed model assuming a bunch of exaggerated positions and pretending to be aroused there are dozens of amateur, semi-pro and non-western flicks featuring plenty of ordinary, cute girls (8's, 7's, 6's, 5's and, if you're into that sort of thing, old/obese 3's, 2's and 1's) enjoying more realistic sexual experiences with people they like?

This type of thing really isn't that hard to find. In fact, I'd contend that it is easier to find than the stuff featuring your aforementioned "perfect 10s".

Here's just one example (link blatantly NSFW). There are hundreds of others. If for whatever reason you find yourself drawn to porn and seek to keep your real-life expectations intact, there are plenty of options available to you. This kind of non-pro stuff is about 90% of what I look at, and I have never had any of the problems you mentioned (inability to admire ass of ordinary girl, inability to appreciate smile of cute girl, inability to motivate oneself to pursue cute girl, etc).

Remember: it isn't hard to maintain attraction to "real girls" after looking at porn when most of your porn consists of real girls.

I do appreciate there are these types of porn out there, and that there may be a difference as far as neurological effect. Keeping with the analogy, you've found your berries for the day (rather than over-whelming berry Skittles), so you don't really need to look for more, haha. I simply do not seek this type of porn however, I like the tens ala Brazzers type stuff.

Whatever floats your boat. I get extremely apathetic if I jerk too much. I'd rather just be out drinking and hanging out... banging doesn't even enter my mind.

From other posts it appears you work out a lot so maybe you simply have more free testosterone floating around. You're also younger correct? I'm in my late 20s.

[Caligula]

Nice find Athlone. Back when I first discovered internet porn I liked a site called Voyeurweb that was all user submitted amateur pics and vids. Still prefer the more natural stuff to the slick, professional stuff.

But not sure it wouldn't cause similar problems to the professional content if you got really into it.

[oldnemesis]

(05-09-2012 01:17 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

This makes tons of sense to me when after 4-5 days off of the fap-train, I find normal looking cute women (not perfect 10s) attractive again. I get a pump of good feelings off a simple smile or can admire a non-perfect-10 ass in front of me. You have a motivation to pursue things found in nature, since you're brain hasn't' been hijacked and overwhelmed.

What you do is similar to starving yourself so you would eat some shitty food which you wouldn't otherwise even touch. Sure, after starving for a week even an Oversized BigMac would taste delicious, but to starve yourself just to enjoy BigMacs? That sounds like a real sacrifice.

[oldnemesis]

Great site Athlone. You can also check out this one. There is also some weird shit, just ignore it.

[Blunt]

I have no moral opposition to internet porn, I just don't fuck with it anymore, and I've noticed positive effects because of it. I still make my own, but its different because I actually am doing the fucking in those vids.

[Excelsior]

(05-09-2012 04:45 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

I do appreciate there are these types of porn out there, and that there may be a difference as far as neurological effect. Keeping with the analogy, you've found your berries for the day (rather than over-whelming berry Skittles), so you don't really need to look for more, haha. I simply do not seek this type of porn however, I like the tens ala Brazzers type stuff.

Then it might be more accurate to implicate your own preferences for some of your issues with masturbation as opposed to implicating ALL porn (most of which isn't of the Brazzers type) and exaggerating the advantages of the "no-fap lifestyle". If you were able enjoy less professional porn, it is entirely possible that you'd have fewer of the issues you mentioned.

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From other posts it appears you work out a lot so maybe you simply have more free testosterone floating around. You're also younger correct? I'm in my late 20s.

I'm 21-not a massive difference.

I do have high levels of testosterone relative to many, that is true. Porn helps to deal with that.

[Excelsior]

(05-09-2012 08:33 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Great site Athlone. You can also check out this one. There is also some weird shit, just ignore it.

Yeah, motherless is an odd one. Some good amateur stuff, but also crawling with kinkier things that not everyone will be into. Still one of the better sites out there, though.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

While the discussion is primarily about porn and not masturbation, it is important that after prolonged use, the two go hand in hand. The dopamine release and reception mechanics are the same, whether it's porn or fantasy. I've actually had erectile problems because of excessive "waxing the dolphin" before (no porn included except rarely), both because I developed "death grip" and because I was fantasizing too often and in too much detail / different girls, which had almost the same effect as porn.

To sceptics who wonder how fantasizing can be a problem even if you do it excessively (several times a day every day, for years), it got to the point that a girl was giving me a blowjob and I couldn't cum or stay erect unless I imagined her giving me a blowjob. It's some weird, scary shit. Since then, I've stopped all of it and feel much better and sexually satisfied.

[Walnuts]

Wow that's weird.

Personally I can't jerk off without porn. And sometimes even with porn I can't get hard. Sometimes it just doesn't do it for me. But give me a girl and I'm standing at attention with no problem at all.

It just doesnt compare to the real thing for me. To the point where jerking off doesn't quench my sexual thirst at all. I still feel like I need to fuck not even 1 minute after I bust into a tissue.

[Blunt]

(05-10-2012 07:16 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Then it might be more accurate to implicate your own preferences for some of your issues with masturbation as opposed to implicating ALL porn (most of which isn't of the Brazzers type) and exaggerating the advantages of the "no-fap lifestyle". If you were able enjoy less professional porn, it is entirely possible that you'd have fewer of the issues you mentioned.

I'm 21-not a massive difference.

I do have high levels of testosterone relative to many, that is true. Porn helps to deal with that.

How can you know that he is exaggerating the advantages of quitting if you haven't quit yourself and experienced the difference? More specifically, if you haven't experienced any negative effects and quit to attempt to eliminate them, how could you know the difference?

I think this is definitely something that differs from person-to-person, but if the research this cites is accurate and it is like other addictions, then clearly some people (with addictive personalities) would be unable to tolerate any varieties of porn similar to how ex-alcoholics cannot have 'just a beer'.

[oldnemesis]

(05-10-2012 08:32 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

How can you know that he is exaggerating the advantages of quitting if you haven't quit yourself and experienced the difference?

Because some of us are smart enough to study the subject ourselves and not just blindly believe what some retarded talk show hosts say who already misinterpreted the most important fact in his theory.

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I think this is definitely something that differs from person-to-person, but if the research this cites is accurate and it is like other addictions, then clearly some people (with addictive personalities) would be unable to tolerate any varieties of porn similar to how ex-alcoholics cannot have 'just a beer'.

Does it mean that you verified the research he cited, that it was accurate, and there is either no conflicting research or the conflicts were properly addressed?

[_DC_]

(05-10-2012 05:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 08:32 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

How can you know that he is exaggerating the advantages of quitting if you haven't quit yourself and experienced the difference?

Because some of us are smart enough to study the subject ourselves and not just blindly believe what some retarded talk show hosts say who already misinterpreted the most important fact in his theory.

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I think this is definitely something that differs from person-to-person, but if the research this cites is accurate and it is like other addictions, then clearly some people (with addictive personalities) would be unable to tolerate any varieties of porn similar to how ex-alcoholics cannot have 'just a beer'.

Does it mean that you verified the research he cited, that it was accurate, and there is either no conflicting research or the conflicts were properly addressed?

Pretty harsh considering this was a TED conference. They don't let any "retard" hash out a theory on there, except for Al Gore .

I've verified positive results myself, as have countless other people (see. No Fap on Reddit). I don't get why people who choose to lay off the jerking really lights a fire under some peoples asses.

I wish I could jerk off three times a day and still feel like hitting on women. But I can't.

[Excelsior]

(05-10-2012 08:32 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

How can you know that he is exaggerating the advantages of quitting if you haven't quit yourself and experienced the difference?

(05-07-2012 02:55 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

I just don't feel so many of these dramatic side effects I keep hearing about regarding masturbation and "no-fap" philosophy. I've had periods where I've not been able to jerk off for anywhere from several days to a couple of weeks, and I honestly do not feel that much better than any other time.

I've had to go 3-5 weeks on more than one occasion. Been there, done that, doesn't make a difference for me.

Then again, I can acknowledge that not everyone is like me.

[Tengen]

"Quitting porn's easy, I've done it a dozen times"~

The problem is stop-starting, when you're addicted it's hard to stop for any extended period.

My longest conscious attempt was 4 days. Once i was able to do 8-9 days, but i was at a meditation camp and there was little privacy, so had to wait to go home and i busted an epic nut.

Deleting porn from your PC is tough as well. You become so... attached to it. You're like "I spent so much time and bandwitdh getting this stuff, and now you want me to throw it away? No more Tori Black? No more Maria Ozawa? My lovelies... my precious...

And even if you manage to take the plunge, there will always be traces in this interconnected world. Dropbox, for example. I have an account and all i have on it are slutty hipster pics and amateur vids.

[Walnuts]

People still keep porn stashes on their hard drives?
Lol I can't jerk off to the same porn twice. I need that novelty. Thank the lord for high speed Internet and xnxx.com!

I'm not dependant on porn but it's nice to be able to see two sexy bitches with round asses eating each other out any time i want to. 50 years ago people would have paid a fortune for this shit we have for £30 a month.

Just don't overdo it. Rule of thumb, if you find yourself jerking off to porn more than once every two days, you're not busy enough. Get some shit to fill up your time. There's been days where I've sat at my computer for hours butt naked, just because I had nothing else to do.

[Tengen]

I always try to leave the house whenever i can. It's a lot harder to jerk off when you're out and about.

The problem is finding things to do that wont make you want to go back home.

Sure you could go jogging, but eventually you'll get tired and go home to shower, freshen up, and maybe jack off to porn.

This is why i usually try to head out to the city, but to do anything in the city costs money. I'm still figuring out a good routine to stick with. Salsa clubbing has cover charge, sitting at a coffee shop requires that you buy a coffee (and buy a book to read), when you eat you pay for ramen, you pay for movie tickets...

I suppose the best free entertainment is approaching girls~

[Excelsior]

(05-10-2012 07:31 PM)Walnuts Wrote:  

People still keep porn stashes on their hard drives?
Lol I can't jerk off to the same porn twice. I need that novelty. Thank the lord for high speed Internet and xnxx.com!

If the stash is large enough, that isn't an issue. Even older films can be "rediscovered" later, since individual vids can easily get lost in a large enough stash. It can be like having your own personal XNXX/Pornhub with no buffer times and filled only with videos of the types you yourself specifically prefer.

Once you've built a large enough stash, you can eliminate the need to get on a browser and search for new stuff every time you want porn, instead only doing that occasionally to keep the collection "fresh". Torrents, cheap filelockers and browser-based download apps (that allow you to DL any streaming vid on any site you want) make this all very easy.

Don't ask me how I know any of this...

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Rule of thumb, if you find yourself jerking off to porn more than once every two days, you're not busy enough.

I keep a similar quota as well, though it is much more forgiving when I'm on campus. It has to be living in this wasteland I'm in-long dryspells are unavoidable.
I expect to more than make up for it this summer, as I do every break.

[Tengen]

And the "what do you consider a 10" thread isn't helping either... Not that i'm complaining, Athlone

[Walnuts]

(05-10-2012 07:58 PM)Tengen Wrote:  

I always try to leave the house whenever i can. It's a lot harder to jerk off when you're out and about.

LOL I can imagine!


About finding stuff to do:
1. Get a job
2. Get a large social circle
3. Get a girlfriend if you have to.
4. If you can build a circle of fuck buddies, go for it.
5. Stop jerking off in public you horndog!

[Kitsune]

(05-10-2012 07:58 PM)Tengen Wrote:  

I always try to leave the house whenever i can. It's a lot harder to jerk off when you're out and about.

The problem is finding things to do that wont make you want to go back home.

Sure you could go jogging, but eventually you'll get tired and go home to shower, freshen up, and maybe jack off to porn.

This is why i usually try to head out to the city, but to do anything in the city costs money. I'm still figuring out a good routine to stick with. Salsa clubbing has cover charge, sitting at a coffee shop requires that you buy a coffee (and buy a book to read), when you eat you pay for ramen, you pay for movie tickets...

I suppose the best free entertainment is approaching girls~

I think increasingly this is my actual problem. I spend too long sitting in front of a computer screen.