[oldnemesis]

(03-14-2012 10:57 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Although you're right in principle, this is like one of those discussions:
Which is better: Money or game?

No doubt money (assuming we're talking about real money, not "100K a year")

Quote:

Which is better: Looks or game?

For the guy - no doubt game.
For the girl - no doubt looks.

[scribblec]

(03-10-2012 05:05 PM)soup Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:18 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Thread after thread, I read about the importance of approaching women. Even some of the vet players here preach it constantly. I'm a little surprised. Being an approach isn't something you should be striving for. Now I'm gonna break down some next level shit.

Your goal, as a player, should be for women to approach you. Now yes, early in your player career, you'll need to approach. Why? Because your shit's not together yet. No one's told you how to work it. But now Uncle Ali-B is breaking it down.

Continue approaching, but every day of your life, you need to think, "how can I just stand here and have women come to me"? It takes time. The quickest place to start is style. Look around at what other guys are wearing. You need to be rocking something else. Go for edgy. And it might not hurt to let your hair grow out. Bishes love long hair.

Next is be funny, and cool. Don't worry about talking to your targets. Rap with the bartender, the waiter, and make the conversation interesting. I use a lot of apocalyptic shit, that shocks, but it works for me. What your creating is a "bubble" that women want to get into. She made need a little coaxing with some quick eye contact, but when your frame is right, she'll come.

Now what does this do? It weeds out the girls that won't fuck you. If a girl comes to you, she is interested. Simple. Now you've just taken a lot of work out of your life. Again, this is gonna take time, so start on it now.

Growing hair out might not work for balding guys..

The times that I've gone out properly peacocking (that is, rocking some flamboyantly fashionable piece of clothing), I did get a lot more attention and had girls coming up to me. It really does make things easier, but you need to have the vibe to back it up or it will come off as pretentious or incongruent.

I recently wore this jacket that my model chick friend lent me: http://postimage.org/image/i5y849lst/

Girls were approaching me a lot that night.

girls were approaching you because they wanted you to fill their gay best friend slot, especially with that jacket

[Parlay44]

(03-10-2012 03:18 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Bishes love long hair.

My hair is pretty long ...and I do get approached. It's not as much as you would think. It attracts certain kinds of girls. Artsy types. Metal chicks. It's more about standing out in the environment you're in.

I think it throws off some girls when I open them. It's not a bad thing though.

[Giovonny]

(03-14-2012 10:57 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 02:16 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

As I'm getting older, I'm realizing that the only Game I want to run is "Don't Fuck It Up" Game

Fame > Game!

Although you're right in principle, this is like one of those discussions:

Which is better: Money or game?

Which is better: Looks or game?


In THEORY, having model level looks is better than game.

In THEORY, having 250K+ salary is better than game.

In THEORY, being watched by millions of people is better than game.

Yeah, your probably right.

But, I have to try something while I'm still young enough.

In my teens and early 20's I experienced the power of having some status and celebrity. Never at the international, national, or state level, but, I have experienced it locally within my hometown and the neighboring towns. Game was so easy then. All I had to do was "not fuck it up"!

Now, I'm older and I'm just a regular working stiff. I have to go out and approach girls and try to demonstrate to them that I am cool and alpha. It was so much easier when they just saw my face in the newspaper or on the local news. (for high school/small college sports)

I need to find a way to get back in the public eye.

I have a few friends who are doing okay with this. One is in a band that plays all over the Bay Area. The band has a Facebook page and my buddy makes sure it is always updated with the best pictures and videos of the band.

He calls it "groupie bait"

Another friend of mine is an amateur rapper. He has spent his own money to produce cd's/dvd's/music videos and shows. Honestly, he is a shitty rapper. But, because he is on stage, in music videos, and on posters in front of the club, he gets alot of girls. He gets alot of them from Facebook and Twitter.

Maybe, its a pipe dream but I gotta try something before I get too old and the opportunity is gone. I know its a long shot but fuck it, if I can just get s little local celebrity generated that would be better then the random cold approaches that I do now.

Wish me luck!

Not sure exactly what I will do but something related to my natural strengths and talents which are probably talking to crowds about health, anti-aging, sports, chasing girls, overcoming adversity, building confidence or something like that.

Maybe I can get a job over at MixxTv!

[pitt]

Giovonny just wondering, what do you mean by playing ''not fuck it up'' game?

I personally hate to play this type of game. It will make you hesitate too much, it will make you act weak, you will be more likely to play indirectly (little bit indirect is ok, too much and it kills your game), you are also more likely to act beta. I usually avoid to think ''i cant fuck it up with this girl'', i just play me, make my move and dont give a fuck about the results. And the more she notices that i dont give a fuck the more she wants to fuck me.

[Giovonny]

(03-26-2012 03:15 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Giovonny just wondering, what do you mean by playing ''not fuck it up'' game?

You should read the whole thread. But basically, it means that because of your status/celebrity the girl has "pre-selected" you. She wants you just because of who you are and your public image/persona. Don't have to game her, all you gotta do is "not fuck it up".

(03-26-2012 03:15 PM)pitt Wrote:  

I personally hate to play this type of game. It will make you hesitate too much, it will make you act weak

Dude, you obviously didn't read this thread. I'm talking about being famous!

Would you really hate to famous and have girls gaming you? So that all you had to do was not fuck it up?!?

Of course you would not hate that! You would love that!

[pitt]

Giovonny my bad, sorry, i get you, i confess i didnt read the rest of the thread.

[xsplat]

I started a bit of meditating and chi-gong a few days ago, after few years of having dropped the habit. After the 3rd day I was surprised to feel my environmental awareness grow, and a stronger sense of libidinous energies coursing through my body. So on day 4 I was encouraged to put in a hint more effort. The effect was that walking on the beach later in the day was a type of walking meditation, with panoramic awareness and more quiet of thoughts.

I knew this would lead to lucid dreams, and sure enough, this morning I knew I was dreaming. I walked into a room full of georgous pretty little blonds and brunnettes - all about 19 or 20. How to approach? Who to approach? Then I was reminded of this thread. "No, don't approach", I thought to myself, "make them come to you!"

So I flew up in the air, hovering above their heads. Groups of girls all stared up and started giggling at me like I was a rock star. So I pulled out my dick and let a little blond start sucking. Felt quite good.

[Giovonny]

(03-29-2012 08:20 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

I started a bit of meditating and chi-gong a few days ago, after few years of having dropped the habit. After the 3rd day I was surprised to feel my environmental awareness grow, and a stronger sense of libidinous energies coursing through my body. So on day 4 I was encouraged to put in a hint more effort. The effect was that walking on the beach later in the day was a type of walking meditation, with panoramic awareness and more quiet of thoughts.

I knew this would lead to lucid dreams, and sure enough, this morning I knew I was dreaming. I walked into a room full of georgous pretty little blonds and brunnettes - all about 19 or 20. How to approach? Who to approach? Then I was reminded of this thread. "No, don't approach", I thought to myself, "make them come to you!"

So I flew up in the air, hovering above their heads. Groups of girls all stared up and started giggling at me like I was a rock star. So I pulled out my dick and let a little blond start sucking. Felt quite good.

Dude, how did you get inside my brain!!!

[Docter]

xplats post is gold. Bravo sir (that ending was significantly out of fucking no where).

@Giovanny: I agree with you, but let's just clarify one thing.

Fame + Game > Either by themselves.

When we talk about "Don't fuck up game" it implies you already understand how to interact with a woman. You're just being a cool, selected guy. Dont fuck up game is basically just mild rapport (if necessary), closing and logistics.

Regardless, I am interested in this perspective on approaching women. I agree with those who say a man that approaches more will get laid more as there is no doubt he will interact with a larger sample size of women than a man who doesn't approach. As a result, and by the numbers game, he will inevitably sleep with more women on average. I think we can all agree on that. (Caveat would be a highly famous man).

Then again, I think the idea of not wasting your time is important. I.E. Continue approaching, but only those times when you get a soft approach from a girl (proximity, smile, eye contact). The problem with this is that newbies can't read these signs as well as a developed gamer. Obviously, at that stage, it would be better for a newbie to err on the side of approaching too often than too little. If you have any inkling in your mind that she's interested, you should probably approach.

Basically, #ofApproaches(level of game)(Soft Openers from Women) = #ofLays

That's some hardcore mental masturbation. Ima go bang my dick against the wall, brb.

Edit: Soft approaches are IOI's. We don't really need to coin a new term here although it helps for the discussion.

[oldnemesis]

(03-29-2012 08:20 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

I started a bit of meditating and chi-gong a few days ago, after few years of having dropped the habit. After the 3rd day I was surprised to feel my environmental awareness grow, and a stronger sense of libidinous energies coursing through my body.

Does this stuff really do anything? I always thought it was kind of placebo.

[xsplat]

(03-30-2012 11:44 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 08:20 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

I started a bit of meditating and chi-gong a few days ago, after few years of having dropped the habit. After the 3rd day I was surprised to feel my environmental awareness grow, and a stronger sense of libidinous energies coursing through my body.

Does this stuff really do anything? I always thought it was kind of placebo.

I had someone ask me that question a few decades ago. Turned out it was a rhetorical question. No amount of detailed answer swayed her opinion.

[soup]

(03-30-2012 04:57 PM)Docter Wrote:  

xplats post is gold. Bravo sir (that ending was significantly out of fucking no where).

@Giovanny: I agree with you, but let's just clarify one thing.

Fame + Game > Either by themselves.

When we talk about "Don't fuck up game" it implies you already understand how to interact with a woman. You're just being a cool, selected guy. Dont fuck up game is basically just mild rapport (if necessary), closing and logistics.

Regardless, I am interested in this perspective on approaching women. I agree with those who say a man that approaches more will get laid more as there is no doubt he will interact with a larger sample size of women than a man who doesn't approach. As a result, and by the numbers game, he will inevitably sleep with more women on average. I think we can all agree on that. (Caveat would be a highly famous man).

Then again, I think the idea of not wasting your time is important. I.E. Continue approaching, but only those times when you get a soft approach from a girl (proximity, smile, eye contact). The problem with this is that newbies can't read these signs as well as a developed gamer. Obviously, at that stage, it would be better for a newbie to err on the side of approaching too often than too little. If you have any inkling in your mind that she's interested, you should probably approach.

Basically, #ofApproaches(level of game)(Soft Openers from Women) = #ofLays

That's some hardcore mental masturbation. Ima go bang my dick against the wall, brb.

Edit: Soft approaches are IOI's. We don't really need to coin a new term here although it helps for the discussion.

Girls won't overtly approach you for the same reason that the first date bang recipe's not kissing in the venue works so well: girls are just as much afraid of being ostracized as a slut as are guys being rejected when approaching.

In a normal situation, the most a girl will do is give you proximity and start flicking IOIs at you. If you want girls to approach you, you have to make a situation where it is socially acceptable for them to do so.

I do music performances, and it is not awkward for a girl to come up to me after a set. This is because there are usually other people coming up to me as well. And, it is not socially bad for a girl to make her intentions obvious at this point, because it the stereotypical narrative of the performers is that we are cads anyway.

So, playing music is an example of 'not fucking up' game.

For most of my life, I couldn't figure out how to take advantage of the music angle like a lot of other guys I know.

In the last couple of years, I've gotten most of my ass through cold approaching.

Now, things are changing for me.

It's interesting, because it wasn't until I became aware of game, and started actively implementing our info, that I was able to make the music thing work for me. It's just a reflection on how bad my game was, and how much I've been able to change things around in a relatively short amount of time.

Another interesting thing is that most of the music cats I know who are also players have disclosed to me that they went through a phase of reading up on the literature (mystery method, etc.) and forums. Now, they just kill it. But, there are other problems that arise if you keep fucking your audience..

[jariel]

I get approached by women all the time.

The thing is women will approach more often in a manner that is much more subtle than the way a man is approaches.

When a man approaches, he literally stops everything he's doing to go initiate a conversation with a woman.

A woman often approaches but does it while she's in the act of doing something else, i.e. getting a drink at the bar.

Also women don't always approach verbally, they do it with eye contact, body contact, etc. I don't know how many times women have "tripped" over my feet, then started up a conversation with me afterwards.

I agree with Alibaba, I decided a long time ago that I rather be the top of the mountain than the person climbing it.

[oldnemesis]

(04-01-2012 04:49 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

I had someone ask me that question a few decades ago. Turned out it was a rhetorical question. No amount of detailed answer swayed her opinion.

I'm asking if you think it works for you (i.e. you're sure it is not a placebo) or you're not sure about it (and therefore it may be placebo). I'm interested in your opinion, and not asking you to sway mine.

[Giovonny]

(03-30-2012 04:57 PM)Docter Wrote:  

xplats post is gold. Bravo sir (that ending was significantly out of fucking no where).

@Giovanny: I agree with you, but let's just clarify one thing.

Fame + Game > Either by themselves.

When we talk about "Don't fuck up game" it implies you already understand how to interact with a woman. You're just being a cool, selected guy. Dont fuck up game is basically just mild rapport (if necessary), closing and logistics.

Regardless, I am interested in this perspective on approaching women. I agree with those who say a man that approaches more will get laid more as there is no doubt he will interact with a larger sample size of women than a man who doesn't approach. As a result, and by the numbers game, he will inevitably sleep with more women on average. I think we can all agree on that. (Caveat would be a highly famous man).

Then again, I think the idea of not wasting your time is important. I.E. Continue approaching, but only those times when you get a soft approach from a girl (proximity, smile, eye contact). The problem with this is that newbies can't read these signs as well as a developed gamer. Obviously, at that stage, it would be better for a newbie to err on the side of approaching too often than too little. If you have any inkling in your mind that she's interested, you should probably approach.

Basically, #ofApproaches(level of game)(Soft Openers from Women) = #ofLays

That's some hardcore mental masturbation. Ima go bang my dick against the wall, brb.

Edit: Soft approaches are IOI's. We don't really need to coin a new term here although it helps for the discussion.

Great post docter!

(03-30-2012 04:57 PM)Docter Wrote:  

@Giovanny: I agree with you, but let's just clarify one thing.

Fame + Game > Either by themselves.

Yes of course, thats why I advocate working on both if possible!

[Aliblahba]

This concept doesn't just apply to pickup, it is one that applies to life. Do you want to be the guy that has to beat the streets looking for work, and has to qualify for each job? Or have the reputation in your industry to where managers call you for recruitment? When people approach you, THEY are in the qualifying chair. YOU get to call the shots. Do you really think someone will call from another company and then try to lowball your ass? Fuck no! The balls in your court and you make the shots. And if they're calling, others are too. You have options. If you don't like theirs, tell them to fuck off.

I thought part of being "alpha" was for others to want to be in your life, not the other way around. And when you have to approach everything in life, that is excatly what your doing...

[Lothario]

I like what Ali is saying but it's another one of those things where there is Dichotomy between Older and younger players and where Players are in their Game Progression.

Yes I like Approaching like crazy, that gives me a high, go figure but recently I rolled with e-mech and criticized my approaches and my thinking behind it, he was very patient in correcting me and explained why I should take a different route, one of the examples he gave me was during his teen years he had a friend like me who approached every one and had a single Lay whole summer while approaching 100 's of girls, Vs e-mech pursued 3-4 leads and got 2 lays.

Difficult concept to grab specially at early level of game and I will advise against sitting and waiting to be approached to a noob as he is looking for excuses to not approach, Only after one has done easily over 1000 approaches or your game is going into intermediate level think about trying this phenomeneon.

I think my game is turning a new page as I tried this approach under e-mech's wings and it fucking worked.....

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11692.html

One more kind of a Game in a Players Arsenal, do not discount in guys....., It was most difficult me to get as I like approaching and it was very difficult for me sit still and not approach all the eye candy around me.

I will finish with something e-mech said

" Make your approaches count/stick "

[Aliblahba]

(03-10-2012 06:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You will not reach your potential if you wait to be approached. You can get laid, but the highest quality girls don't approach guys. They just don't.

I have to disagree. Things have changed in the U.S. over the last 10 years, and going away for long stints has helped me see it better. Top shelf talent is more confident and will go after what they want, and when they are approached it is from guys with poor social skills. Dudes with a baseline that may have a shot are emasculated now and fuck it up. Then you have the PUA mentality guys that have no shot, but talk to the girls anyways.

In the ATL I've been hit on by 2 sets of models and a Playboy Bunny. One got on her hands and knees in front of me at the W rooftop bar in front of my date. 10 years ago this would have never happened. With the majority of men here getting worse, it really has become a players market.

I've spent countless hours sitting in venues watching the best talent not being happy and having to get off their ass and walk up to a guy they want. When you create that bubble, or vortex, they'll come to you first. In a sea of thirsty simps, be the pillar.

[Que enspastic]

(03-10-2012 06:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You will not reach your potential if you wait to be approached. You can get laid, but the highest quality girls don't approach guys. They just don't.

All good players get approached by girls. I get approached every night I go out.

Girls only approach if they think they are beneath you. A hot girl only thinks she's below Hollywood A-list. You have to approach the hot girls because they won't otherwise.

[Aliblahba]

Its not just women, but a lesson of life in general. In every aspect of life, people need to be coming to you. Professional advice, employers, family, women. Emech doesn't advertise his biz, people come to him from reputation. Fisto is the guy everyone wants to be friends, as he brings so much value, and girls chase him. Employers call me though word of mouth. Girls in my current job were eye fucking me because my coworkers drummed me up to be some wild wild west mercenary hero. They did it, not me. The owner came out to meet me and people were glancing out the windows.

Approaching shows need. Flip the script. Make life come to you. This way you keep the upper hand.

[Que enspastic]

Approaching shows confidence and authenticity. I want to approach so I approach. It's about acting on your own desires and having fun. You don't want to be passive all the time. It's a balance.

I get approached and I approach.

Russell Brand approaches all the time and he's a celeb. Maybe he's doing it wrong?

I don't think conflating game with career/friends/family is that helpful. You can approach girls in bars and still have people respect you and seek your advice in other areas of your life.

[Aliblahba]

(10-26-2013 02:12 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

I don't think conflating game with career/friends/family is that helpful. You can approach girls in bars and still have people respect you and seek your advice in other areas of your life.

Its directly related. When you go through life with your hand out, you get less. Calling a company or you calling them? Your pay will reflect on who initiated the contact. When you approach a girl, you have to prove why you have what it takes for her attention. Let her come to you and explain away value. Does Donald Trump beg people for business?

[Therapsid]

Approaching is life.

I'm never going to stop approaching. Even when I'm an old man. Single, married, doesn't matter.

Not that I'll always be hitting up young girls, but even it's just old broads in the nursing home when I'm 80, I'm going to do it.

I enjoy even failed approaches most of the time. I learn from them. And honestly, unlike some guys here, I enjoy talking to girls.

There's a unique satisfaction to be had from approaching a girl, a complete stranger, and then have her riding your cock a few hours or days later.

[Que enspastic]

So when Branson was approaching the big hits of the 1980s onwards and getting them signed, making a name for himself and Virgin Records, he was doing it wrong? Should he have just waited for artists to come to him?

I think you're being too didactic. It's a balance. It's not black and white.