Quote: (11-19-2014 07:24 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:
Even the most liberal European leaders are discouraging immigration. +5 million legal immigrants is insanity. In any other country such action of a leader of the majority party would drive the population to polarization until a revolt and overthrow of the government.
Let me try to be fair here. 5 million in a European country is way more than 5 million here. The most populous European country is only about 60 million people. There's like 320 million people in the USA, so that 5 million is a relative drop in the bucket compared the impact it would have on a place like Denmark or Austria. Not defending it by any means, just saying that you have to take the scale of the population into consideration. 5 million illegals in these relatively small European countries would really shake things up in a way that it won't here.
Secondly, These illegal immigrants are already here and they aren't going anywhere. Nobody is going to round them up and deport them. There isn't the political will to do so. Many of our major cities have sanctuary policies where law enforcement isn't even allowed to ask about people's immigration status. Arizona wasn't even able to pass a law allowing cops to ask immigration status and that's one of the more conservative states. Businesses that use their labor aren't going turn them into the INS, school teachers aren't going to turn the kids over the INS. So we basically have this manufactured problem where you have all these kids growing up who will be American culturally but not have legal citizenship. I've known a few like this in California. It sucks this ever had to happen because for decades we haven't been enforcing immigration laws due to political correctness and businesses lobbying for cheap labor. So now we have this problem we have to deal with.
While Obama decision to use executive order may be controversial, this was going to happen eventually one way or another. And while I don't support illegal immigration or mass immigration in general, speaking purely as a realist, I know these people aren't about to self-deport nor is anyone going to send raids to kick out 10 million+ people in the country illegally. Many of which have been here for years now. It ain't happening. Many of these kids will graduate school and find that they can't get into colleges or join professional organizations. These are kids who are growing up American, never been to Mexico and don't consider Mexico their home. They live in the grey zone. So something has to be done about them.
The best we can hope for is get serious about border enforcement so that we don't have another fucking amnesty for millions in 10 years from now. It's one thing to make a mistake, but when you keep making the same damn mistakes over and over again and not learning from it, then we are fucked.
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Obama has actually used executive orders rather sparingly compared to other presidents in the last 100 years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Uni...ive_orders
193 for Obama vs 3,522 for FDR, 381 for Reagan, 484 for Eisenhower, 364 for Clinton.
Keep this shit in perspective folks when you speak of him upending democracy.