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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 01:52 PM
An interesting shift on "Meet the Press" this morning...
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Mitt Romney said Sunday that he likes parts of ‘Obamacare’ and will keep key provisions involving pre-existing conditions and young people.
“I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,” he said on NBC’s “Meet The Press. “One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.”
The remarks could have huge implications as they signal a marked shift from Romney’s strong, unequivocal support for full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which he has consistently held since the Republican primaries.
Politically, the pivot risks drawing the ire of conservatives, who have been adamant that Republicans repeal the law in its entirety if elected. It’s a major gamble that could reflect Romney’s need to win over more independent voters, who support those provisions.
From a policy standpoint, however, the coverage guarantee for pre-existing conditions is economically untenable without other provisions of ‘Obamacare’ — most notably the individual mandate that requires Americans purchase insurance, which experts say is necessary to broaden the risk pool and prevent an upward spiral in costs.
Laws permitting young Americans to remain on a parent’s insurance policy until 26 have been backed by other top Republicans in recent months.
Asked on “Meet The Press” if he wants to repeal those two popular provisions of the law, Romney said, “Well, of course not. I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people.”
Earlier this summer Romney came out for laws protecting Americans who have obtained continuous insurance coverage from being denied access to care. But the provision in the Affordable Care Act goes much further and bans insurers from turning down prospective customers on the basis of health status. It takes effect in 2014.
Republicans flirted with including those provisions of the law in a replacement plan in the run-up to the Supreme Court decision on its constitutionality. Conservative activists gave them hell for considering it and GOP leaders backed off before the decision came down.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 01:56 PM
If I remember correctly the Affordable Healthcare Act created multiple new government agencies concerning women's health, but none for men. I wonder if Romney considers that to be a "good" part of Obamacare.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 04:29 PM
It's curtains for Mitt. The guy is now reversing himself on a whole host of positions:
He is now repudiating key positions he supported a few weeks ago: the sequestration that would result in wide spending cuts (as favored by the Tea Party and voted for by Paul Ryan) and the total repeal of Obamacare. He's also now saying he would not, in fact, cut taxes on the wealthy. And during the Republican primary debates, he ruled out a 10:1 ratio of tax cuts to revenue increases (the Tea Party opposes all revenue increases)---only to have Paul Ryan show up interviews today and voice some support for the idea. These guys either need to get their shit together or they're just lying through their teeth.
The guy already has a reputation as flip-flopping and dishonest---and his latest shifts & prevarications will only cement that view. He is already distrusted by his base, and doing a 180 on the issues they feel most passionately about is not going to inspire them to turnout for him. What Mitt did today simply reinforces the notion that the guy is a too-slick, principle-free bullshitter with his finger in the wind aiming to please whoever is shouting the loudest at any particular moment in time.
And to top it all off, the estimable Nate Silver has Obama a 4:1 favorite riding a nice post-convention bounce (Romney got none at all). Only a major self-inflicted error on Obama's part could change the calculus now:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...-position/
Stick a fork in this clown he's done.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Quote: (09-09-2012 01:52 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
An interesting shift on "Meet the Press" this morning...
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Mitt Romney said Sunday that he likes parts of ‘Obamacare’ and will keep key provisions involving pre-existing conditions and young people.
“I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,” he said on NBC’s “Meet The Press. “One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.”
The remarks could have huge implications as they signal a marked shift from Romney’s strong, unequivocal support for full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which he has consistently held since the Republican primaries.
Politically, the pivot risks drawing the ire of conservatives, who have been adamant that Republicans repeal the law in its entirety if elected. It’s a major gamble that could reflect Romney’s need to win over more independent voters, who support those provisions.
From a policy standpoint, however, the coverage guarantee for pre-existing conditions is economically untenable without other provisions of ‘Obamacare’ — most notably the individual mandate that requires Americans purchase insurance, which experts say is necessary to broaden the risk pool and prevent an upward spiral in costs.
Laws permitting young Americans to remain on a parent’s insurance policy until 26 have been backed by other top Republicans in recent months.
Asked on “Meet The Press” if he wants to repeal those two popular provisions of the law, Romney said, “Well, of course not. I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people.”
Earlier this summer Romney came out for laws protecting Americans who have obtained continuous insurance coverage from being denied access to care. But the provision in the Affordable Care Act goes much further and bans insurers from turning down prospective customers on the basis of health status. It takes effect in 2014.
Republicans flirted with including those provisions of the law in a replacement plan in the run-up to the Supreme Court decision on its constitutionality. Conservative activists gave them hell for considering it and GOP leaders backed off before the decision came down.
It's also worth reiterating that Obamacare, at its core, is actually a conservative Republican plan. The individual mandate, which is the soul of Obamacare, was first dreamed up at the conservative Heritage Foundation in the late 1980s. By 1993, Gingrich had included it in his "Contract for America" and in the 1996, Bob Dole was running on it in his presidential campaign as the conservative alternative to "Hillarycare". Mitt Romney then dusted it off in 2006 to implement in the state of Massachusetts.
Obama implemented a Republican healthcare plan, top to bottom. It's only being denounced as socialism because a Democrat got it done.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 08:08 PM
He's just etch-a-sketching his way back to RomneyCare and saying what he thinks he needs to for the election. Doesn't matter what he really believes.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-09-2012, 08:22 PM
I think Mr. Romney and his team have bungled this presidential campaign in every conceivable way. This walk back to a moderate stance was what he should have done once his nomination was a formality. His only chance to win was by convincing the white middle class populace in states such as Virginia, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida with a moderate amount of education, fiscally conservative, but socially centrist that Obama was going to drive the economy into a hole and had done a few too many drugs to ever come back from his social left.
Yet for whatever reason, Romney had this complex that to be a viable candidate he had to connect with rural right wing loonbags and position himself to a minority voter that he wasn't racist. Frankly I think he wasted so much of his time attempting to connect with these bases that he alienated the aforementioned population that was his only route to a win. If I'm Romney in May, I simply have to assume that anyone right of me is still going to vote for me because I'm running against a black man. Romney should have slashed hard left, relatively speaking, after it was a formality he would be the Republican nominee. Moreover, attracting a minority vote is something the Republican party has to start anew with in 2013, and not meekly, half-assedly try to do in 4 months when running against a minority candidate.
Outside of some image destroying blunder, Obama is going to walk to victory in November without much fanfare. Watching TV for election coverage is mindless as it will always be "closer" than expected because TV needs ratings after all. The excellent NYT 538 blog is really the only required reading for this election.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-10-2012, 01:04 AM
I've noticed the economy is purely theoretical. For instant, the most hardcore right-wing economist, could present a compelling plan to a liberal. And the reverse is true.
Both have theories that look good on paper. Remember, under Clinton, the economy was very good - but the Republicans will claim the Republican controlled house is why it was good...the Democrats will claim Clinton did a good job. Bush had a Republican-controlled everything, but they'll blame 9/11 as to the economy collapsing...and on & on.
I'm not really political myself. I've come to the conclusion, just from watching enough political ads, only two issues really matter. Two concrete issues, with certain "floater" issues. While the economy is billed as the most important thing, it's really not what people vote on. (I personally believe the election is pre-decided but that's another story)
The issues that get people passionate about voting:
1. Abortion, or "Women's rights"
2. Gay marriage, or "Equality for all Americans"
Floater issues would be immigration, stem cells, price of oil, the remnants of the war, etc.
Yet, every piece of political propaganda mail I've received, and the majority of commercials, are centered around the abortion & gay marriage topics.
So, what we have...most people only vote for either party, because they are in favor of gay marriage/abortion, or because they are against gay marriage/abortion. When it comes to the home stretch, both sides work their hardest to paint the other side on the fringe.
You simply don't see nearly the same amount of zealotry surrounding any of the other issues, whether social or fiscal.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-10-2012, 09:51 AM
And now Romney has shifted his position yet again on healthcare, only hours after his first shift. Details here:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/0...hp?ref=fpa
This guy doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-10-2012, 10:10 AM
And in other news, while the politicians keep the attention focused on healthcare and immigration, both parties continue to renew the PATRIOT Act and give U.S. law enforcement agencies blanket power to confiscate your private information (without warrant) and to build secret data centers that permanently store your information forever without any type of accountability to the citizens of the country.
Wait, what am I thinking, I'll go back to worrying about clean energy and manufacturing jobs in Ohio. Land of the free, right?
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09-10-2012, 10:12 AM
I'm just utterly disappointed that Romney is the best that Republicans have come up with given their anipathy toward Obama. I want to vote R, but Romney keeps giving me excuses not to vote for him. He would probably be ok, but that requires me to basically overlook most of what he says, and I think that's just no way to run for office.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-10-2012, 08:41 PM
the reason people have insurance is to prevent against act of god type of situations. this is why i pay into it. random bad shit can happen to anyone. hit by a bus, stabbed by a crazy person or slip on ice. i dont have a problem with insurance helping these people. MY PROBLEM is with people who treat their bodies like an amusment ride and wonder how they get diabetes or heart disease then suddenly its the insurance companies fault for not helping them. we need a national discussion on this because univeral healthcare does nothing to stop people from engaging in behavior that is knowingly destructive to their health. should an obese person like 300lbs pay the same as a trainer in a gym?
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-10-2012, 09:02 PM
Doesn't surprise me one bit.
No matter who you vote for you're going to get the exact same policies.
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Mitt Romney: "I’ll Keep The Good Parts Of ‘Obamacare’"
09-11-2012, 04:14 AM
There has been a run on Mitt in the prediction markets:
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contra...tId=743475
Believe it or not, I think Romney is actually a buy at 4 dollars---so long as you sell relatively soon (ie, after the first debate, etc)