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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...
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Maybe the truth is Pick up doesn't work for some men. His best bet is to get his inner/front together. 1) Dress impeccably 2) Develop "Alpha Male"
(I hate that term) mannerism and 3) characteristic ONLY approach females who clearly are choosing on you. I race is touch subject some people here but let's be real pick up more like invasion for non whites. If she really like what she's, see she'll let you know. To blindly cold approach white women is dumb. Don't mad when you don't get the same results as Mystery or a clown on youtube that look's like Justin Bieber.
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First of all-this guy started out in a 10 foot hole when, being a self described 5"7", average looking, Filipino he decided to approach almost entirely white women. Why? Why not Asian women? I'm white and I approach Asian women. He was self sabotaging as many failures do. Not to say that this type of guy can't succeed with white women but from my observation they begin with a disadvantage and need something extra- a great personality, high status, or badass-ness to attract white girls. Obviously, he has none of these.

I bet if you talked to guys who know him, they could tell you right away what his problems are- as others noted- either a spergy personality (admittedly hard to remedy), crappy appearance, bad body language, overly high voice, wussing out on the escalation, etc.

The crux of the issue though is his failure to internalize game as demonstrated by the whole tone of the article itself. He remains a beta, so of course trying to run alpha game is going to come off as incongruent, because it is incongruent. And girls can sniff this out a mile away.

"If anything's gonna happen, it's gonna happen out there!- Captain Ron
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#28

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Quote: (01-21-2012 11:05 AM)The Lesser Evil Wrote:  

Maybe the truth is Pick up doesn't work for some men. His best bet is to get his inner/front together. 1) Dress impeccably 2) Develop "Alpha Male"
(I hate that term) mannerism and 3) characteristic ONLY approach females who clearly are choosing on you. I race is touch subject some people here but let's be real pick up more like invasion for non whites. If she really like what she's, see she'll let you know. To blindly cold approach white women is dumb. Don't mad when you don't get the same results as Mystery or clown on youtube that look's like Justin Bieber.

When people think of it as "pick up" it's never going to work.

Would you ever see Sean Connery or George Clooney say to their buddies, "Hey man watch this I'm gonna go game/pickup that chick."?

Vice-Captain - #TeamWaitAndSee
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#29

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[Image: facepalm.gif]
I can go up to 5,000 women and go "Wanna fuck?" and get better. They're fucking doing it wrong.

Shame on OP for stupid sensationalist title.
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#30

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Quote:Gmac Wrote:

When people think of it as "pick up" it's never going to work.

Would you ever see Sean Connery or George Clooney say to their buddies, "Hey man watch this I'm gonna go game/pickup that chick."?

True. However, my point is a Sexter wasting his time with the Mystery Method or Cock/Funny or whatever. You can't create attraction out of thin air, but you can built on attraction that's already there.
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I read a bit through the guy's thread and many of the replies. He's not a "game denier" he's more of a game skeptic/realist. He admits that many of the principals of game are solid. But he says in his experience, game is best applied to women that already have put you in the "yes" or "maybe" category. A girl that has put you in the "no" category before you opened your mouth(which is how the majority of women will think of you) is probably not going to be dissuaded from her opinion by game techniques.

That guy Sexter dropped his first post in July 2010, but came back in March 2011 and updated the thread saying he just got back from St. Petersburg, Russia.

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after re-reading this post, i'm still true to my word. 9 months later and I still didn't change my mind

thanks winston for this informative site. I've recently went to st. petersburg for a month(tourist visa) wow! cold approach there was so easy and women were polite. IT wasn't hard getting dates

totally different atmosphere from american woman. THAT "10" american women who is probably impossible to get, is very possible to get in russia.

I find that the russian women have less egos and less feminized[think he means feministic]. They actually like men

Another guy on there, "have2fly" chimed in with an interesting reply, I'm curious if anyone else had this happen to them in Russia or E. Europe:

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THAT just pisses me OFF SO MUCH! She talked to you for so long, she seemed to have fun, WHY NOT KEEP YOU AS A FRIEND? You may know someone that she could like, she may introduce you to her girlfriends and maybe one of them will like you etc. Russian girls do it all the time, they will tell you "hey I have a boyfriend, but my friend Natasha or Yulya is available". She will even show you pictures of her friends and then introduce both of you to each other. I've done it for many Russian/Ukrainian friends in the U.S. Two of my friends MARRIED those Russian girls I've introduced them to. It's amazing how anti-social people are in the U.S.! Yet when I was in college, we were told to go to Career Fairs to get "networking", meaning basically meeting future employers and getting contacts etc. WELL, WHY NOT get networking going in everyday life??? No, no in the U.S. *Sigh*

Sexter later goes on to say:

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It's not that PUA doesn't work, it just doesn't work in the united states. Even if you are "powerful, confident, etc) if you come from a cold approach perspective, expect minimal results.

try cold approaching women in russia/philippines. u will get Massive results (b/c PUA in those countries are usually accepted b/c of lack of feminism/anti-men role in those countries)

whereas, USA is starting to become a female dominated society, the social conditioning in the USA is usually anti-pua(made women paranoid, cliquey, etc)

So we can all sit here and judge the guy's game, choice of targets and whether he really did 5,000 approaches, but none of us know the guy and we can't say one way or the other if we weren't there to see him. Maybe his game is weak or looks sloppy, I dunno, but for every guy that's critical of game, there's another guru selling a workshop saying, "you can get any girl you want if you have tight game!" If you read some of his later posts, it's clear that he's not a game denier, he's just a game realist and says that meeting quality women abroad is much easier than in the US. Something I think many guys here would concur with. All he's saying is that an average looking guy with average social standing using PUA/game to cold approach is not likely to be neck deep in poon. Maybe some will, but they were likely already decent looking and social guys who just needed some tweaking and direction. I'll go out on a limb and generally agree with his assessment that game is most effective with 1) girls who already are feeling you before you even said the first word and in that case, game helps you speed up the process and not fuck things up. 2) Girls who may be indifferent to you at first glance. Game can help you warm them up and convert them from maybe to yes. However, if the girl doesn't consider you her type, it's not likely any amount of game or pick up artistry is going to change her mind in a cold approach situation. A dude that looks like Flava Flav with good game is not going to walk into clubs in Leblon full of rich patricinhas and be pulling them cold from their social circle sets to bang that night. And if such a guy can pull that off, he should be the the one charging $10,000 for boot camps.

Every dude has his own unique look, vibe, projection. Every guy has his own ratio of yes/maybe/no reactions from random women in the field. Unless you are extremely good looking and tall, most women will put the average guy in the no category before he's even said a word. You can try and improve your look and style to get more women to have a yes/maybe reaction and then that's where the game makes the difference.
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#32

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Quote: (01-20-2012 06:04 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (01-20-2012 04:58 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

Classic race troll. Only wants to fuck white women, fails because he sucks at game, then goes on a forum to complain about how obviously all his problems stem from racism.

Co-sign. Unless I see those "5,000 approaches," I have no way of knowing if: 1. they really happened; and 2. that this guy wasn't some idiot clown that didn't know how use game (which of course he is), on top of being a white-girl worshiping race-troll along the lines of our very own Indian Race Troll.

He's not very specific about his timeline for these "5,000 approaches," but in order to get to 5,000, he would have to have done almost 7 approaches EVERY SINGLE DAY--including weekends and holidays--for two years (730 days). I'm not sure I believe that. What's more, the tell-tale sign that his guy never really internalized the "methods" he claims to have learned is this:

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I've approached over 5000 girls and I have yet to have a girlfriend. Sure, i've made out with quite a few chicks using the "pickup" techniques and got a few lays, but nothing really consistent such as a long term girlfriend.

Guys singing the girlfriend sermon are invariably betas that think a few lines can land them someone to hold hands with. This, of course, comes from the school of thought that game is a "magic bullet." This shit is a skill, an art. It's like saying: "I went to one year of art school, did 5,000 paintings, and didn't sell a single piece." Does this mean art school doesn't work? Of course not. It depends on what school you went to, how good of a student you were, how good your work is, and how you market it.

Tuthmosis...love the poster. What site is that from??
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#33

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Quote: (01-21-2012 09:46 AM)Neo Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2012 01:45 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

And then by minute 41, a miracle happened, she gave up resisting and said ok go ahead take my pants off. And I did and fucked her silly and she offered no more resistance and was a dick fiend after.

I love it when stuff like this happens. But a lot of guys just stop if she puts up any resistance, I remember times where it took me like 30 minutes just to get her shirt off. The problem is feminism and lots of society has literally brainwashed guys into thinking that if they persist past her reluctant no she will call them a rapist, which is never the case.

The funniest girls are the old leads that told you NO, but you keep in touch with them maybe once or twice a month through text. Then one day like 8 months later they finally agree to go out for a drink, get sloppy, and you get the bang. A lot of game is just good timing.
O yes, I thought that the first time I did it, I was a bit paranoid like I wonder if she is going to call the cops on me and my life will get ruined because the tv told me for my whole life no means no and all that shit. Normally doesn't happen. If the average man is persistent enough with proper de and re escalation, I'm certain he could fuck woman who have zero attraction to him to begin with. I learned this before I even knew game. An slight above average looking blonde was way into me, I had no interest, she wasn't ugly, but wasn't outright hot, she was a normal looking girl even above average a bit as far as blondes go. She wasn't like a swimsuit model hot, but other guys would wonder why I wouldn't go for her. Then one day at the night club she started to dance with me hump my leg till it went numb and we ended up at my place where she was grinding on me and got me all horny so I just fucked her because she was persistent, not ugly and even though I wasn't really attracted to her when I first met her when I saw her tits and her in her thong I had a change of heart [Image: wink.gif]

I guess I can see why just whipping your dick out can get you blow jobs and sex from girls who probably wouldn't otherwise consider you.
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#34

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It's funny when I first "discovered" game a couple years, I went through a phase where I was reading just about any free stuff I could find on the internet.

I found this site called "casanova crew" which is basically a PUA forum, with a bunch of "lairs" mainly down in SoCal, and this guy "Sexter" the one the OP posted about was one of the main posters on the forums. He got a lot of hate from the other main forum contributors and called out on a lot of shit.

Anyways, I do remember reading through a bunch of the guys posts and field reports, and from what I can gather he is a pretty good looking guy, but like he straight up states he's short (only 5 ft 7 in, and he's Filipino). Now I don't want to be called a race troll or go off on that whole topic or debate, but there are certain social/cultural facts that we can't ignore.

To give "Sexter" some credit he did seem to honest with his field reports, and he did post pics of him making out with some seriously hot women 8+... But he even wrote himself that making out is bogus, and he wasn't converting those to SNL, or even dates to lead to sex.

I'm not sure where the guy was going wrong exactly, like a bunch of guys on here it seems like he may not have escalated properly, but I do recall a couple of his field reports where he fingered girls in the club.

But, I do know where he went majorly wrong, for one he straight up says that he doesn't go after Asian women, that was his down fall IMHO. For as much as guys on here say that all Asian women want white men, from my experience and observations, Asians tend to stick together a lot. It is not uncommon to see a nerdy, ugly, beta-chode looking Asian guy with a hot Asian girl, and this is highly less of a common site with other ethnicities. I have a good friend who is Asian-American and he kills it with Asian girls, but only had mild success with white women, and the white women were drastically less attractive than all the Asians he got with.

So right off that bat, Sexter cockblocked himself out of a lot of ass. Now to where you guys may harsh on me, but I believe it's the facts. The guy is a short Asian dude, who hangs out at high end clubs in SoCal and focuses on trying to pick up hot (8+ white women). Now I am sure there are short Asian guys with good game and lifestyles that pull hot white women, but as a generality white women typically aren't that attracted to Asian men, and especially not to short Asian men. Now I don't know why that is, and like I said, I'm sure there are guys that brake that mold, but I personally haven't met any of them. In fact I have a friend that fits Sexters' mold, he's a short Korean American guy, doesn't pursue Asian women, and only wants to date hot blondes, but goes sexless for months, sometimes years, or resorts to doing P4P, both in the bay area and abroad.

Next point, is that height is a big factor, now this has been debated for ages, and it's not everything, but to a lot of women height is crucial in attraction. This is especially true for taller women 5 ft 9 in. plus, which there are a lot of where I live for some reason. Women typically do NOT want to date/fuck guys that are shorter than them, especially if it's more than 1 in. difference. I'll go ahead and use Mixx as an example, here we have the most respected player on this forum, who like me is avg. high (5 ft 10 in), he straight up says that he's sees height as a major factor. So much so that he went out and go 3 in. lifts for his shoes, that he even admits are extremely painful.

So point being a short Asian guy like Sexter is facing an up hill battle in the high end club environment in SoCal trying to "pick up" in high end clubs. There are just certain truths that are hard to admit, sometimes we are faced with limitations in life, and reality can frankly "be a bitch". Now maybe Sexter could have reached Casanova's level of game and overcome that shit, but we got to ask ourselves would a guy like Roosh see the same results with women if he were 5 ft. 5 in. in stead of 6 ft. 2 in? My feeling is he'd still bang a lot of women, and understand the concepts of game, but he'd have no where near the same level of success (notch count, sex frequency, and quality of women).
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Can someone explain to me why an short man (who are dispropotionately rich according to the us census - average income 75k) would have trouble landing a women in the land of gold digging women aka L.A? I've not been there, but on the surface it doesn't seem to make sense
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Quote: (01-21-2012 11:32 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2012 11:05 AM)The Lesser Evil Wrote:  

Maybe the truth is Pick up doesn't work for some men. His best bet is to get his inner/front together. 1) Dress impeccably 2) Develop "Alpha Male"
(I hate that term) mannerism and 3) characteristic ONLY approach females who clearly are choosing on you. I race is touch subject some people here but let's be real pick up more like invasion for non whites. If she really like what she's, see she'll let you know. To blindly cold approach white women is dumb. Don't mad when you don't get the same results as Mystery or clown on youtube that look's like Justin Bieber.

When people think of it as "pick up" it's never going to work.

Would you ever see Sean Connery or George Clooney say to their buddies, "Hey man watch this I'm gonna go game/pickup that chick."?

Excellent point.
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Quote: (01-21-2012 07:02 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

Tuthmosis...love the poster. What site is that from??

It's a meme I made on quickmeme a while back to fight back against Race Trolls on this forum. I've made several, and other random people have jumped on them too.

Quote: (01-22-2012 04:22 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

Can someone explain to me why an short man (who are dispropotionately rich according to the us census - average income 75k) would have trouble landing a women in the land of gold digging women aka L.A? I've not been there, but on the surface it doesn't seem to make sense

You've made a conclusion about a specific place based on a silly stereotype that isn't even true and without anything to support your conclusion (an actual visit or, at least, anecdotal evidence from people you know)? Do you really think that LA is filled with smoking-hot girls willing to set aside physical shortcomings for $25,000 extra in annual salary?

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#38

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The big tip-off in this article is that he sees "getting rejected" as equivalent to "failure." This is a pretty major sign that he's not trying to move the thing forward past initial resistance, IMO.
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Quote: (01-22-2012 06:02 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-22-2012 04:19 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

^From what I've seen in places like Angola this is simply not the case. The Chinese do not use the European model of trade where a bunch of foreigners come with skills and keep those skills to themselves and take all the profit and pay a small royalty. From what I've seen the majority of money goes to african governments who do business with china, which is also why all the iraq and afghan contracts went to China. They will build all the oil infrastructure and hand over most the money to these governements because they have an incentive for cheap oil. The oil money they forgo is nothing compared to the benefits they get from cheap transportation cost by exporting everything to the west. Ironically Portugal is trying to borrow money from Angola now, so I'd say they seem to be getting a fair deal.

That's why I also said locals too. Obviously they have to buy off the local government to keep the commodities flowing. The question, though, is whether the government redistributes enough of it to the population to stave off resentment of the foreigners.

Quote: (01-22-2012 11:19 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2012 07:02 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

Tuthmosis...love the poster. What site is that from??

It's a meme I made on quickmeme a while back to fight back against Race Trolls on this forum. I've made several, and other random people have jumped on them too.

Quote: (01-22-2012 04:22 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

Can someone explain to me why an short man (who are dispropotionately rich according to the us census - average income 75k) would have trouble landing a women in the land of gold digging women aka L.A? I've not been there, but on the surface it doesn't seem to make sense

You've made a conclusion about a specific place based on a silly stereotype that isn't even true and without anything to support your conclusion (an actual visit or, at least, anecdotal evidence from people you know)? Do you really think that LA is filled with smoking-hot girls willing to set aside physical shortcomings for $25,000 extra in annual salary?

Quote: (01-23-2012 09:35 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

This kinda stuff makes me laugh. My surname happens to be Portuguese on both sides of my family (remnants of their colonization).

Hell, in thirty years as Africa's population bulges in the economically active middle aged, it would be hilarious to see say: the Congo bailing out Belgium. Or South Africa bailing out Britain. The tragedies in the Congo and the concentration camps during the Boer wars aren't funny at all, but the whole idea of the "dark continent" being Europe's boss amuses me in many sick ways. I have a dark sense of humour (no pun intended).

Quote: (01-23-2012 02:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (01-23-2012 09:35 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

Hell, in thirty years as Africa's population bulges in the economically active middle aged, it would be hilarious to see say: the Congo bailing out Belgium. Or South Africa bailing out Britain. The tragedies in the Congo and the concentration camps during the Boer wars aren't funny at all, but the whole idea of the "dark continent" being Europe's boss amuses me in many sick ways. I have a dark sense of humour (no pun intended).

Doesn't Africa has a long way to go if it is going to surpass or even get close to Europe. I know alot of Africa was colonized, the resources were taken to other countries, and the people were used as slaves. This is precisely why I believe their development was stunted in the first place.

Isn't a little far fetched to say that Africa is going to be "bailing out" or ruling over a Europen country. I realize that you said "in 30 years". Maybe its possible, I'm thinking more like 300 years.

I'm asking this from a purely intellectual standpoint. Its a very romantic idea to think that the former slaves would one day "save" or "bail out" the former slave owners, but I think we are a few centuries away from that.

Quote: (01-23-2012 12:52 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

it is simply karmic. The world has a funny way of balancing things out over time.

So you believe in "karma"? It's curious to me to hear an educated man like yourself discuss karma. Why do you believe this? What evidence have you seen that led you to believe in this concept?

I'm asking out of intellectual curiosity..

Have you studied it in school? Does science support this force known as "karma"?

I'm asking you because I know you are Ivy league educated.

Please explain.

Edit: I see that ElJefe asked Athlone a similar question. Athlone provided historical examples of people losing or gaining power.

Was power gained or lost due to "karma"? Or was it just due to the circumstances of the day?

Do the sins of our ancestors really effect us in this "meta-physical" way?

Is there any evidence to suggest that anybody at anytime gained or lost power due to "karma".

Quote: (01-23-2012 03:33 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Dude, your examples are... strange.

Greece a super-power? What? Cultural super-power, yes... but they fell apart as soon as they got big.

Those Native American civlizations were wiped out by European powers and small-pox. They never had a chance.

Seriously, anybody could go on TV and say Empires rise and fall.. it's the one thing ANYONE can say with absolute certainty. This back and forth thing you indicate by writing "balancing" doesn't fit. Big general statements are hopelessly inaccurate like that... you'd want to take a look at each situation.

By the way... the episode about medicine relates to Africa:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5348.h...l+ferguson

As for the blog - I'm not so sure. If Chinese intentions are pure, why do they keep supporting bloody-minded dictators in the UN or North Korea? I think Chinese foreign police is malignant, as far as the West is concerned, and has a long-term goal of securing Chinese hegemony and world domination - political and economic.

You could be right, then please correct my inaccurate view
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Average guys don't cut it anymore, not for average women and definitely not for hot girls. That entire post is about an average looking guy with average height with average attitude. That sums it up really.

Oh, and the fact that he only goes for hot white girls means he probably reeks of insecurity. Guess what? Hot girls of any race in America are pretty brutal including the hot pinays that would probably hand him his head.

I've met average white guys in their late 20's that haven't gotten laid or got a girlfriend. Fuck, I even know good looking white guys with no game getting strung by below-average girls. So I guess he's got a lot of company.
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The key to this is also logistics. Some people act like game is this superhuman medicine. I fully concur that game is needed (shytt I had to use it in Africa to weed out lizards) but we cannot deny location.

It's the same reason Roosh wants nothing to do with DC and most cats aren't feeling Toronto.

Let me put it like this. You have two alpha males. Both are equally alpha.
One has money as in, he has his own vehicle, his own place and some money to go out for dinner or some other bullshyt.

The 2nd alpha is broke and has to take the bus, stays in his grandma's basement and has to get the lizard to pay for all the shyt.

Who will pull more?

That's what DC and Toronto are like. Yea, you can be alpha but if you have some noob buying out the bar for these reptiles and you are there with your limited income, you are deluding yourself if you think a lizard will choose you.

Does it mean to disregard game? Fcuk no. It just means also focus some of your energy on travelling or you will drive yourself sick trying to game on low quality lizard (which includes attitude and general behaviour towards a man) whereas you could go somewhere and eat better at a lower cost.

Some of the cats I know here that don't see travel as option are carrying unnecessary burdens.

As I said, it's good in boxing to know how to take a punch (be rejected a million times) but we need the psychological reward of seeing our opponent being dropped by a well placed punch (fcuking a lizard that we are attracted to). You cannot become a good boxer if you have never taken a punch (exclusive P4P cats) or if you hardly win fights (get rejected 1000's of time per night and only wind up with fat lizards or washed up baby mommas with heaps of baggage).

To give you an idea of using the outside location, I was digging out this island lizard's guts last year.
Basically, she stayed at mine for a few days and I had her literally as a sex slave.
Trust me, the way she looked, if she was living in Toronto, I would have had to deal with a whole heap of shyt just to suck a tiddy.
Favourably, she lived in Northern Ontario, where cats ain't even sweating those type of lizards. As a result, she was lonely from the lack of attention and relatively easy prey.

Conclusion:

Game + Location = Nirvana. Do not disregard either of the two. They go hand in hand like husband and wife.

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#42

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“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Simple lack of FOUNDATIONS in this guy. I am sure his VIBE is way off. So all the work he does is wasted effort.

VIBE & LOGISTICS

Quote: (01-21-2012 06:53 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Quote: (01-20-2012 03:59 PM)The Lesser Evil Wrote:  

I've tried other pickup methods out there and i keep on running into the same patterns....

1. you approach a girl(most of the time, they are rude and bitchy especially the hotter ones,)
2. you make girl laugh(cocky funny from david d/Negs from mystery/Confidence from RSD)
3. you build rapport
4. you get her number

5,000 approaches, tons of game study and he still does it wrong.

His mistake is so obvious that it's glaring

You are not supposed to follow the 4 step pattern above you are supposed to .

1.Establish vibe
2.Sexualise vibe
3.Escalate

Of course he is not going to have success without doing 2 and 3.

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#43

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I just get immediately suspicious of any guy that claims to have a strong ethnic preference. Men just don't discriminate when there's pussy on the line. If you want evidence of this, compare the complexion of African-Americans to African-Africans.
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#44

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I find it hard to believe when this guy says he has done 5k approaches and has still not "got it right". I mean, how do you fuck up that badly? Even with 10 approaches, you can already begin to weed out problems in your game, or make adjustments on the fly. Granted, this guy is fighting an uphill battle, (I live in OC, I know how pretentious those women can be), but that can be solved easily. Find your own niche. The upscale club scene isn't for everyone.

At the cost of me sounding like a race troll, what if one vehemently refuses to date his own race? I have an super-whitewashed (guy can't even speak his own native language) Chinese friend who avoids Asian girls like the plague.
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

Quote: (01-26-2012 02:41 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I just get immediately suspicious of any guy that claims to have a strong ethnic preference. Men just don't discriminate when there's pussy on the line. If you want evidence of this, compare the complexion of African-Americans to African-Africans.

Never met a guy with an ethnic fetish who wasn't beta.

As for the complexion of African Americans, in large part that can be attributed to slave owning men having children by their slaves probably via rape. The average African Americans genetic make up is 22% European.

Nice short article about it: http://www.eurweb.com/2010/05/latest-gen...ent-white/
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

Haha I was missing those mems from Tuthmosis..


Quote: (01-20-2012 06:04 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Classic race troll. Only wants to fuck white women, fails because he sucks at game, then goes on a forum to complain about how obviously all his problems stem from racism.

Also Pdog is spot on , this ethnic preference thing is borderline beta ,real men want to fuck quality pussy period.Doensn't matter if its yellow,red,black or blue, if is hot you nail it.

This whining reminds me of the late Indian Troll.

Chicks need to be on rotation like a Netflix queue
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

Am I the only one that thinks "the lesser evil" and some jackass that calls himself "sexter" (god what a lame name for a guy that can't close the deal) are the same person?

And why is everyone defending game? Our own empirical evidence proves this guy is wrong.

The only real question is; What type of person, can study all this game knowlege and be so fucking tragically abysmal at meeting women?

Answer; some physically repugnant male that simply cannot make up for his physical handicap with game. He should thank his lucky stars for game that he's gotten laid at all.

Was there an ounce of humor in his reviews? Even the biggest newb on this forum while complaining about oneitis can comp up with a few smirking remarks. This guy sounds like a he's writing about stereo instruction manuals.

Obviously the exception to the rule and not worth considering IMO.

Tuth had it nailed, classic race troll.
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

What empirical evidence? I would like to see the statistics on using game versus not using game analyzed with regression or t-test and all that jazz[Image: whip.gif]
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

Quote: (01-20-2012 04:56 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

3) They have what could best be described as a personality disorder. There are guys that I know for whom no amount of game/PUA training will be able to cover up the fact that there is something fucking wrong with them. They are just off. Not full blown crazy/psychotic/schizophrenic, but they just cannot relate with people.

That's why I've always been afraid to try such methods. I think there's something wrong with my personality. I can't relate to a lot of people. A lot of times people ask me if I'm high when actually I'm not. Sometimes people can tell I'm a virgin just by talking to me.
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WoW!! 5000 Approaches! The sad and Painful truth about the Pick up industry...

Quote: (01-26-2012 10:07 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Quote: (01-26-2012 02:41 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I just get immediately suspicious of any guy that claims to have a strong ethnic preference. Men just don't discriminate when there's pussy on the line. If you want evidence of this, compare the complexion of African-Americans to African-Africans.

Never met a guy with an ethnic fetish who wasn't beta.

As for the complexion of African Americans, in large part that can be attributed to slave owning men having children by their slaves probably via rape. The average African Americans genetic make up is 22% European.

Nice short article about it: http://www.eurweb.com/2010/05/latest-gen...ent-white/

You should point that statistic out to a black chick you're gaming and then mull over how much the percentage changes when you're inside of her.
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