[CharleyHorse]

So I've been reading the forums for the last several months about College Game and was very disappointed when I kept reading "you don't need game in college". I was a Beta throughout all of high school (5'11, 250 lbs., zero ability to socialize with ANYONE) and for the three months prior to my first college semester, I studied game with Bang and Roosh's blog. All I wanted to do was use this new found power to fuck lots of girls since my looks are only average (now 180 lbs.) and my style/athletic build are still developing.

Well, after another four months of studying and approaching I have a theory: No venue makes better use of game than a college campus, even for the youngest men.

Here is what I noticed (or perceived):

- Average college girls (5-7) respond to game exactly as described in this forum and in Bang.
- Above average college girls (8+) respond with more enthusiasm and appear more nervous when approached.
- Under average college girls (4 and below) are almost non-existent because this is college.

I looked at this and at first I thought "I must be very good-looking since only the most attractive girls are giving me deep stares and showing nervous body language, like looking down upon eye contact" when I approach with alpha body language. However, the average girls seemed more comfortable when I spit game at them as if they were used to it.

So what explains this difference? Well I only saw this in my Day Game Approaches as the most attractive girls have the least exposure to day game and are approached the least, since the men in their life are young and have little experience. College girls react like women of older age groups in night game approaches since alcohol fuels a lot of sloppy approaches.

In fact, I know three guys (one freshman and two sophomores) with notch counts of 11, 22 and 15 that have the most alpha personalities I've seen here. The one with the highest count is a sophomore and got his from social proof. The other two have higher on-campus counts and are playful. They approach during the day unlike the first, who has never made a cold approach before in his life.

I know this is an insanely long post for someone with only seven months of experience, but I wanted to post the theory and see what other people's opinions were. I haven't seen in-depth posts on college game and want to change that.

Also, for the people who have been in fraternities: Is it worth the pussy to join a frat (I'm on a campus of 11,000 and this is a college town)?

First post.

[Sketness]

I resently joined a fraternity and i can tell you that joining deffently has raised the opportunities for females. It will certainly raise your social proof. Plus every fraternity has a certain following of female groupies to chose from that being affiliated opens you up to. You still have to use game though, The only thing joining a fraternity will do for you is simply opening the door to loads of girls you still have to game them

[Batata]

Joining one of the popular frat is worth it. Joining a two-bit frat is not.

[drymarro]

Interesting post. I feel likd if u actually gamed instead of just goin up to dance i think u csn have success.. im a soph in college an only have 1 notch.. i know terrible but im aiming on changing that all next semester. I watched some keys to the vip stuff and ithink u cuf try emulating that at parties.. not t mention u shud follow day bang and just hit on cutied on campus.. god damn i hsve regrets not doing it earlier but i will game liike a mofo on winter break and gsme even harder spring semester. Imo the ehole social circle stuff sort of worms but u wont be makin friends at parties unless u have mutual friends.. so just go for the cute girl or toi and just escalate fast.. get her to kiss u fuck dancin first. U can dance after kissing her first.
I want to try some moremethods but with finals round the corne ill only be able to test maybe once. I want to write a free college guide but later when i test some stuff out and get some notches.
Sorry for the mispelling and poor flow im typing this from my shitty android phone.

[Samseau]

I was in a fraternity, and before I renounced all of the crazy parties to study for law school, I had an easy routine to get freshman girls...

S: So, where do you live?
Her: Oh, I live in dorm X. Where do you live?
S: Oh, I'm living in Frat X.
Her: OMG you're in a fraternity!!!!??
S: Yeah, maybe you should check it out sometime.



Anyhow, college is prime time for ALL forms of game, Night Game, Day Game, Social Circle Game... what fucking ever floats your boat, I've seen guys do it.

[20Nation]

Just curious what kind of openers your using, and if your noticing during any part of the conversation that their interest drops and what sort of things you said.
I've tried a few things but now I've settled on opening with "Hey can you help me with X?" and most the time i have some type of homework that i can use. Then go into teasing, dhvs, and i end by qualifying before getting the number.
I've had a lot of success with this. Also in what places on campus do you open girls? I usually don't open while walking down a hall, it just feels wrong. Instead I usually find a way to sit or stand close to them. Then start talking.

[CharleyHorse]

(12-14-2011 04:46 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Just curious what kind of openers your using, and if your noticing during any part of the conversation that their interest drops and what sort of things you said.
I've tried a few things but now I've settled on opening with "Hey can you help me with X?" and most the time i have some type of homework that i can use. Then go into teasing, dhvs, and i end by qualifying before getting the number.
I've had a lot of success with this. Also in what places on campus do you open girls? I usually don't open while walking down a hall, it just feels wrong. Instead I usually find a way to sit or stand close to them. Then start talking.

Most of my day approaches have been in the campus book store and the dining hall. In the dining hall its easy to talk one on one with a girl while she's waiting for food before she goes to sit with her friends. In these venues I'll usually open with a small conversation about books/food. One of my favorite places to open is the hall laundry room since its very rare that more than one other person is there, which helps since there are no spectators. Plus there's always girls in class that I can sit next to and start a friendly conversation with.

Our methods are pretty much the same I just use other props for the opener. Next semester I also want to try campus coffee shops and the library where there's always people doing work alone when I'll actually have work to do (this semester was a joke).

[drymarro]

(12-14-2011 01:54 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 04:46 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Just curious what kind of openers your using, and if your noticing during any part of the conversation that their interest drops and what sort of things you said.
I've tried a few things but now I've settled on opening with "Hey can you help me with X?" and most the time i have some type of homework that i can use. Then go into teasing, dhvs, and i end by qualifying before getting the number.
I've had a lot of success with this. Also in what places on campus do you open girls? I usually don't open while walking down a hall, it just feels wrong. Instead I usually find a way to sit or stand close to them. Then start talking.

Most of my day approaches have been in the campus book store and the dining hall. In the dining hall its easy to talk one on one with a girl while she's waiting for food before she goes to sit with her friends. In these venues I'll usually open with a small conversation about books/food. One of my favorite places to open is the hall laundry room since its very rare that more than one other person is there, which helps since there are no spectators. Plus there's always girls in class that I can sit next to and start a friendly conversation with.

Our methods are pretty much the same I just use other props for the opener. Next semester I also want to try campus coffee shops and the library where there's always people doing work alone when I'll actually have work to do (this semester was a joke).

have you had success outside on the way to class? I once got a facebook from a girl on the bus but never led to anything.

[CharleyHorse]

(12-14-2011 02:40 PM)drymarro Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 01:54 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 04:46 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Just curious what kind of openers your using, and if your noticing during any part of the conversation that their interest drops and what sort of things you said.
I've tried a few things but now I've settled on opening with "Hey can you help me with X?" and most the time i have some type of homework that i can use. Then go into teasing, dhvs, and i end by qualifying before getting the number.
I've had a lot of success with this. Also in what places on campus do you open girls? I usually don't open while walking down a hall, it just feels wrong. Instead I usually find a way to sit or stand close to them. Then start talking.

Most of my day approaches have been in the campus book store and the dining hall. In the dining hall its easy to talk one on one with a girl while she's waiting for food before she goes to sit with her friends. In these venues I'll usually open with a small conversation about books/food. One of my favorite places to open is the hall laundry room since its very rare that more than one other person is there, which helps since there are no spectators. Plus there's always girls in class that I can sit next to and start a friendly conversation with.

Our methods are pretty much the same I just use other props for the opener. Next semester I also want to try campus coffee shops and the library where there's always people doing work alone when I'll actually have work to do (this semester was a joke).

have you had success outside on the way to class? I once got a facebook from a girl on the bus but never led to anything.

Unless I've talked with a girl before I'll never approach her on the way to class because its basically street game. Numbers are a lot harder to get and I don't want to be seen as the guy on campus who looks desperate to get girls to talk to him and awkwardly starts conversations with every girl that comes into his path.

[drymarro]

(12-16-2011 02:09 AM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 02:40 PM)drymarro Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 01:54 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

(12-14-2011 04:46 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Just curious what kind of openers your using, and if your noticing during any part of the conversation that their interest drops and what sort of things you said.
I've tried a few things but now I've settled on opening with "Hey can you help me with X?" and most the time i have some type of homework that i can use. Then go into teasing, dhvs, and i end by qualifying before getting the number.
I've had a lot of success with this. Also in what places on campus do you open girls? I usually don't open while walking down a hall, it just feels wrong. Instead I usually find a way to sit or stand close to them. Then start talking.

Most of my day approaches have been in the campus book store and the dining hall. In the dining hall its easy to talk one on one with a girl while she's waiting for food before she goes to sit with her friends. In these venues I'll usually open with a small conversation about books/food. One of my favorite places to open is the hall laundry room since its very rare that more than one other person is there, which helps since there are no spectators. Plus there's always girls in class that I can sit next to and start a friendly conversation with.

Our methods are pretty much the same I just use other props for the opener. Next semester I also want to try campus coffee shops and the library where there's always people doing work alone when I'll actually have work to do (this semester was a joke).

have you had success outside on the way to class? I once got a facebook from a girl on the bus but never led to anything.

Unless I've talked with a girl before I'll never approach her on the way to class because its basically street game. Numbers are a lot harder to get and I don't want to be seen as the guy on campus who looks desperate to get girls to talk to him and awkwardly starts conversations with every girl that comes into his path.

I feel like if you followed "Day Bang" with the elderly approach you can definitely get away with it without looking "creepy". I think you're over-assuming that people actually give a shit lol. People in college have too much to worry about. As long as you approach elderly and limit to like 40 girls a week you'll be fine. Unless your college is very small(<7,000)

Not to mention if you're a fun guy that is enjoyable to be around you won't be seen as creepy. And 40 girls a week is about 5-6 a day so that's not really anything to fret about.

Also, if you went to a neighboring campus/college you can easily do this and not worry about anything.

[Hades]

The biggest mistake I ever made when picking schools was to roll with a small campus at a private college (~1,000 undergrads) in a fairly northern state. The school is so small that you can't bust a nut without accidentally hitting three or four people. If you don't like your school, transfer early so the credits will apply to your degree.

At my school, the girls are uglier, fatter, less open to game, dress poorly, are mannish, feel entitled, are often bitchy because they're sexually frustrated by chumpy men, are ~70% awkward virgins, are overtly religious, babble incessantly about retarded bullshit, and care way too much about how their friends "feel" about their boyfriends.

Since many of the girls are so easily influenced by others, I guesstimate that 70-90% of college lays are from social proof. You have to associate with a popular group or club in order to consistently get laid over the long term. There's a village mentality about college that I hate but it works in favor of chatty and friendly dudes. The "college game effect" is less noticeable in a very large school such as yours.

I agree that you should join a fraternity in order to gain access to their select pile of groupies. Always wear a rubber. You will be dick cousins with everyone in your frat but it should not be a huge deal if you get an annual checkup at the sex clinic.

[keepreal]

dude, u must go to nice college with hot girls. my college(really academic college) was like 20%1-3s, 30% 4-5s, 30% 5<x<6.5, 20% >6.5. Fitting in the right social circle and knowing people really well(so u knows where is the parties) helps with getting laid. I was weird and said whatever was on my mind with people, I could not make too many friends, let alone really getting girls, even though people at that shcool were alittle abnormal and not too social to begin with. It is better off I went to a normal big school, at least people be more social and thought be i was cocky weird.

[Snowman]

Day gaming is incredible on a college campus. I just wrapped up the year at big school (30,000+) students and the and the highest quality notches came from day pick ups. A lot of it has to with what you've already mentioned. I've noticed that on campus day game is practically nonexistential. Its almost to the point where it doesn't matter what you open with as long as you can initiate a half decent conversation with a college girl, especially freshman girl, then it'll pay off.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-13-2011 10:44 PM)CharleyHorse Wrote:  

- Under average college girls (4 and below) are almost non-existent because this is college.

This is hyping the American College experience beyond belief.

I went to a College in America that is one of the best in the nation for girls, and there were plenty of ugly girls in "College".

A few years ago, I went back to my school and it was worse then when I went.

"College in America" is one of the most heavily hyped experiences on this forum.

If you have your sh*t together, life gets way better after college (and this is coming from a guy that killed it in college).

[Deluge]

(05-14-2013 07:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"College in America" is one of the most heavily hyped experiences on this forum.

Maybe, but what other time in a man's life is he going to live with thousands or even tens of thousands of girls in their prime? We don't have any of that down under, 90% of people live at home with their parents while they study. There are no dorm parties or frat parties (or even frats) and the on campus housing is all rural kids or international students and most campuses are located in ordinary boring suburbs anyway. So compared to that the "College in America" experience sounds pretty sweet. I mentioned this on the Santa Barbara thread, but that's why I'm going to do exchange for a year in UCSB or ASU at some point in the next year or two to see what it's all about. Well that and all my options outside of the U.S are really bad...

[The Beast1]

I would be careful doing day approaches. College is an annoyingly insolar environment where your reputation can ruin you if you fuck up with enough people. The worst you can do is get a creepy vibe.

I would try and keep gaming limited to social circles. When i graduated I had a notch count of 28 to show for 4 years of college with no greek life. Not too shabby i must say. All of them were social circle bangs or going to kick backs and meeting girls their.

Mind you, i was an herb for most of college. i didn't get serious with the gym until post college. sophomore year had the highest bang count and my senior year i started sleeping with higher quality women.

The book I read that helped me the most was "Conquer your Campus". Like i said earlier, i would avoid day game. Save that for post college. Social networks are where you will reap the most rewards. Specifically greek life and theater students are the two horniest and craziest venues to meet DTF girls.

Just be careful with who you sleep with. All it takes is fucking over one chick to poison a social circle. Especially in a small school, you'll find a lot of people will just dislike you for sleeping around. I call it jealousy haha, but if you're involved in clubs, it can affect you there.

I'm a year out of college and i still hear stories about how people talk about me. It's hilarious how notorious i was.

[thegmanifesto]

This is pretty hilarious:

[eradicator]

(05-14-2013 12:25 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 07:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"College in America" is one of the most heavily hyped experiences on this forum.

Maybe, but what other time in a man's life is he going to live with thousands or even tens of thousands of girls in their prime? We don't have any of that down under, 90% of people live at home with their parents while they study. There are no dorm parties or frat parties (or even frats) and the on campus housing is all rural kids or international students and most campuses are located in ordinary boring suburbs anyway. So compared to that the "College in America" experience sounds pretty sweet. I mentioned this on the Santa Barbara thread, but that's why I'm going to do exchange for a year in UCSB or ASU at some point in the next year or two to see what it's all about. Well that and all my options outside of the U.S are really bad...

I graduated from ucsb in 2003, if you end up going there, shoot me a message, I will gladly help with any information. For example, one of the best places for day game approaches in Isla Vista(the university suburb) was Bubbles and Beans(no idea if it still exists, but probably), it was a combination of a laundromat and coffee house, and always had fine women there doing their laundry, drinking coffee and waiting to be approached.

If you have an accent, probably 50% of the party girls in santa barbara will fuck you just for that. (edit, tho I imagine you would get similar treatment in one of the arizona or florida schools)

[Days of Broken Arrows]

This post was from Dec. 2011 and it looks like CharleyHorse's last visit was April 2012. Hope he's still reading. If not, here is my college advice for those of you closing out your semester now. Prepare for fall because:

THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF EACH SEMESTER ARE THE PRIME TIME FOR FRESHMAN GIRL PICKUPS.

The reason for this is that no social pecking order has been established. These girls are still in high school mindset and don't know who is cool and who isn't. They're also away from home for the first time. They may be hoping to experiment for the first time. Also, the culture of college is different than high school and many people get thrown by how the formerly cool kids aren't so cool anymore, etc. What was "hot" in high school often looks "quaint" in college. Use this confusion to your advantage. They're in a different world. For example, the preppie chicks might have snubbed the spaced-out jam band dude in tenth grade, but three years later, they find him "exotic." So if you're also a freshman, stop thinking you have the same social status you did in high school -- you can establish another, better one.

This is the time to step in and dominate. While everyone else is feeling nervous because it's a new school year, you need to push those feelings aside and be Alpha from the outset.

Most guys waste those first few weeks thinking "I'll scope things out, then move in on the hottie when I've settled in." Mistake! You need to strike immediately and talk to as many girls as possible. Establish yourself. Network. Even talk to fatties if they have hot friends. If you wait, the anything-goes-feeling of those crazy move-in dorm days closes up like a wound. Then you have to contrive lines to talk to girls. In those first two weeks "Is there another laundry room?" works as an opener. Remember:

Most girls have not yet closed ranks with a "BFF" (so talk to any girl -- no cockblocks!).
No cafeteria seating arrangements have been made (sit anywhere).
No Thursday night parties have been thrown (host the first).
You have no image yet to the freshman girls (establish a good one).
No one knows who is cool and who isn't (make a big first impression).
Girls might not know the campus (get a map, study ahead and show them).
Girls might be intimidated by the classes (be the guiding voice).
Girls might need to be entertained (bring a guitar or electronic toy).
If they have a sex ed session in the dorm GO TO IT! (it lets them know you're "active" and lets you know who is DTF).
If you meet a hottie away from her b/f for the first time and want to move in, mirror her story with your own "g/f left behind" story because this often cancels out her feeling of cheating (don't ask, it's the female mind).

You'll notice I left alcohol out of the above advice. It's because that gets us into the sticky "date rape" controversy that's talked about a lot in the manosophere. Read up on the whole consent/alcohol thing at your school because you don't want to get expelled or arrested. The short answer is: if you're both drunk, you're the one that's held accountable. Unfair, but that's life.

Special note: If any guy from high school is reading this, you can go one better by going to a sleepover freshmen orientation. It was girls gone wild that night at my college. Most of us slept around one hour and the "nice" girls were the ones that drank the most.

[The Beast1]

Days of broken arrow has the system down PAT!

Talk to anyone and form your own social circle. People flock to the individuals that are friendly and willing to do anything.

[Sketness]

(05-15-2013 06:59 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

This post was from Dec. 2011 and it looks like CharleyHorse's last visit was April 2012. Hope he's still reading. If not, here is my college advice for those of you closing out your semester now. Prepare for fall because:

THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF EACH SEMESTER ARE THE PRIME TIME FOR FRESHMAN GIRL PICKUPS.

The reason for this is that no social pecking order has been established. These girls are still in high school mindset and don't know who is cool and who isn't. They're also away from home for the first time. They may be hoping to experiment for the first time. Also, the culture of college is different than high school and many people get thrown by how the formerly cool kids aren't so cool anymore, etc. What was "hot" in high school often looks "quaint" in college. Use this confusion to your advantage. They're in a different world. For example, the preppie chicks might have snubbed the spaced-out jam band dude in tenth grade, but three years later, they find him "exotic." So if you're also a freshman, stop thinking you have the same social status you did in high school -- you can establish another, better one.

This is the time to step in and dominate. While everyone else is feeling nervous because it's a new school year, you need to push those feelings aside and be Alpha from the outset.

Most guys waste those first few weeks thinking "I'll scope things out, then move in on the hottie when I've settled in." Mistake! You need to strike immediately and talk to as many girls as possible. Establish yourself. Network. Even talk to fatties if they have hot friends. If you wait, the anything-goes-feeling of those crazy move-in dorm days closes up like a wound. Then you have to contrive lines to talk to girls. In those first two weeks "Is there another laundry room?" works as an opener. Remember:

Most girls have not yet closed ranks with a "BFF" (so talk to any girl -- no cockblocks!).
No cafeteria seating arrangements have been made (sit anywhere).
No Thursday night parties have been thrown (host the first).
You have no image yet to the freshman girls (establish a good one).
No one knows who is cool and who isn't (make a big first impression).
Girls might not know the campus (get a map, study ahead and show them).
Girls might be intimidated by the classes (be the guiding voice).
Girls might need to be entertained (bring a guitar or electronic toy).
If they have a sex ed session in the dorm GO TO IT! (it lets them know you're "active" and lets you know who is DTF).
If you meet a hottie away from her b/f for the first time and want to move in, mirror her story with your own "g/f left behind" story because this often cancels out her feeling of cheating (don't ask, it's the female mind).

You'll notice I left alcohol out of the above advice. It's because that gets us into the sticky "date rape" controversy that's talked about a lot in the manosophere. Read up on the whole consent/alcohol thing at your school because you don't want to get expelled or arrested. The short answer is: if you're both drunk, you're the one that's held accountable. Unfair, but that's life.

Special note: If any guy from high school is reading this, you can go one better by going to a sleepover freshmen orientation. It was girls gone wild that night at my college. Most of us slept around one hour and the "nice" girls were the ones that drank the most.

This is all good infomation just to add a few more tips

1. Find out when summer orientation is for freshmen, that way you can get a even earlier advantage for the fall.

2. For you older guys, if a lower classmen ask your grade always go with "im a junior", if you say a Sophomore you might be precieved as to young or just the same age, if you say a Senior, they might view you as to "old"

3. A good way to keep these girls coming around is when you get their numbers, invite them to party's/kickbacks. Freshmen girls, LOVE to be in the know about what party is going down for the night. She looks ubber cool to her new friends that she "knows" of the party scene, plus when she rolls through she will bring other possible options if she isn't down.

[Hallasan]

(05-14-2013 03:09 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

The book I read that helped me the most was "Conquer your Campus".

Anyone else read this and have an opinion? Days of Broken Arrows or Sketness?

I found it from a quick search on Google.
I was just curious about the price of the ebook but ended up finding it available in pdf format and started reading some of it.

[Sketness]

I just read through it and it def has some good stuff in it about college social life

[horn]

Inviting Frosh girls to your party is clearly College 101, no? And they always brought additional talent as far as I can remember. They don't roll solo.

[GLethal85]

I went from virgin to 8 notches in my four years in college.

I was in a fraternity (helpful) and also an RA (very helpful).

It wasn't until a year or so after graduation that i started reading the manosphere. Whole new world. I was pissed cuz I always thought that once you hit the 'real world' girls stop all the bullshit. Nope, theres more bull shit and if you're not high value then you're out.