[Basil Ransom]

1. Every time you talk to a girl, think of the logistics:
Is she with friends?
Is she willing to part with them?
If they leave, will they take her with them?

Asking her number after she's told you she's leaving always comes off as weak. Unless you've already made plans to meet up.

2. Nothing comes to mind, depends on the context. You could say something cocky, "Damn Becky, you have friends? I'm impressed." Then she'll introduce you.

[College Game]

1 and 2) As for advice in that situation, when I am hammered I just go on auto-pilot, and usually fall into different drunk me's given the atmosphere and my mood. My roomate said this to a girl I know at a party we had the other day and I thought it was f*cking balls awesome. "Hey, I'm too drunk to f*ck you, but we can have sex in the morning if you spend the night."

3) same problem you are having with closing, but you seem to be answering your own question. If you see it you can improve on it, but no advice will help you on that. It is the real jump phase, you need to just balls out ask her. Best bet is to change your mind in how you approach it. Think of it as you giving her the ability to call you, not vice versa.

[CJ]

Thanks for the good advice. A lot of this re-enforces what I was thinking, but some of that is really good perspective as to how I should be looking at things. I especially liked the "you have friends" line.

I'm also going to be very careful not to get too drunk anytime I go out. I think last Thursday I needed to do that in order to just let loose and apply everything I'd read. Fortunately, over the course of the week I've felt less of a need to drink to get into that mindset.

I'm really glad I found this site when I did, I should have ample amount of time to practice everything before my trip to Hawaii in September.

[College Game]

.BANG.

Second date, bang, she was american too. One more point for Canada.

[CJ]

Bad night at the bar, started off with way too many guys there. Started messing with the waitress about that, and tried to get my friends to come hang out off to the side in the pool room until more girls showed up, so we weren't just standing there looking bored like the rest of the goofs.

My two main goals of the night were to work on observing body language and using kino. I'm not normally a "touchy" person so to speak, but I was trying to get myself just to use basic kino stuff I'd read about to see what happened. Anyway, I'll skip all the rest of the BS, as I tend to be long-winded and get right to the situation I want analyzed:

4 set: consisting of a 3, 5, 7 and 8. The 3 was rather large, but had real nice breasts, so that was good, the 5 was a little below average, I'm fairly picky, so I'd have had to have been drunk to sleep with her. The 7, was my target, and the 8, looked really good, but also looked/acted like she might be gay.

Don't remember my opening, don't even really care as that's no longer a concern of mine, I engage the 5 initially, and she's quite receptive to everything I'm doing and saying. In fact... too receptive, this is not what I wanted! So, I pawn her off on one of my wingmen and start to talk to the 3 and the 7, the 8 was off dancing around. The 7 was very friendly and I think I was doing everything as well as possible, around 5-10 minutes into our conversation she tells me she's only been with one guy, my response was something like "Wow, what was that like, I haven't been with any." The girl is lifting her shirt to show me all her tats, and there's basic kino going between the two of us, the 8 shows up and also starts showing her tats. The 3 then proceeds to pull both girls pants partially down to show me the tats on their asses, ok great! Come to find out the 3,7 and 8 are all sisters, and the 8 is indeed gay, such a pity. Anyway, maybe 45 minutes or so since I first started talking to these girls the 5 is clearly interested, but I am not, the 7 seems possible, the 8 is gay and the 3 is married but I know I have her approval to be talking to her sister. Anyway, the now slightly irritated that I'm not paying attention to her 5, comes into the 7 and I's convo and says something about her being gay too... uh oh! The 7 says that she was in a relationship with a girl for awhile, but it's over now and body language, etc did not change and while I was definitely a little disappointed, we still continued with our conversation. The 5 was persistant and got me talking to her again, while the 8 & 7 (lesbian sisters) went to go dance with each other. My friends wanted to go to another bar, so I decided to go.

So, I've got to wonder if that 7 was bi or what, I mean my thoughts are the 5 was jealous and basically cock-blocked me for not giving her the cock. Of course, if the girl is gay, you're not sleeping with her anyway, but why wouldn't she tell me she was gay herself? And why would she mention she had been with a guy? These are the things that puzzle me!

However I was successful in using some kino, and it all felt fairly natural, so that's good.

[kerouac]

(08-14-2009 12:05 AM)College Game Wrote:  

.BANG.

Second date, bang, she was american too. One more point for Canada.

I've always wanted to bang a Canadian. I'll consider your banging one of our kind as a sort of assassination of Franz Ferdinand. The Poon Wars have started! Bring it on brother!

[Roosh]

CJ: the only thing you did wrong was not try to isolate the girl you really wanted (7). "I'm going to get a drink at the bar.. why don't you come with."

[Tama]

Sent a text this monday to the 8 I number closed last weekend, saying she should come out on Sunday. Got a "maybe" and a "how's your week?" Wrote a quick "all is well, hope you're enjoying" your week, and let her have the last word.

Sent a text today, "Friday! Whew. Doing anything cool tonight?" She responded she was working from 7pm to 7am the next day and asked what I was up to. Responded "Wow, thats nuts, are you a hitman or something? I'm probably gonna go see this movie that my buddy was in." (True.) Didn't hear back. Guess I'll call her in a few days just to be sure, but I'm gonna assume this is dead.

Probably too much detail, but perhaps ya'll see something I'm doing tarduently that I don't perceive.

Gonna try to work on a few of these girls I'm "friends" with on facebook. Whatev.

I didn't game nothing over the week. Worked, worked out, went to sleep. Gonna shoot for 20 approaches over the weekend. Going to start going out Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and run the mystery newbie drill (4 hours per outing, 3 approaches per hour, 48 approaches a week).

Ordered a copy of "Bang" today. And away we go...

[Tama]

Had 7 strike outs, which honestly, feels pretty great. At least, it's a hell of a lot better than being a pussy and not trying.

I actually think a few of these hooked but I pussied out. Lame. Got 13 approaches left for the weekend... think I'll start calling them "attempted lays" and act accordingly.

[CJ]

(08-14-2009 02:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

CJ: the only thing you did wrong was not try to isolate the girl you really wanted (7). "I'm going to get a drink at the bar.. why don't you come with."

Ugh... so obvious. This is why I need to buy your book, all that stuff in one easy place for reference, plus the comedy. Thanks tho!

Anyway, very lame night tonight, way too many guys at all the local bars, which annoyed me as I was looking for more practice, but you can't get it if there's not groups of girls. Going to a big college town tomorrow and an even better one next weekend, so I should be able to get plenty of approaches and good stuff to analyze.

[Roosh]

Thanks BB for buying Bang.

[College Game]

Went solo last night at my usual pub. If you are in a good mood this works but if you are feeling pissy your night will suck. I was feeling fresh, opened with a lot of girls, (mostly americans) followed with my usual routines, made them laugh, built up interest and then left (supposedly temporarily) so as to not be hovering around. Three times in a row though this ended up backfiring and the lasses would be gone by the time I got back.

[Tama]

On the downside, I struck out last night, and I was kinda being a pussy. On the upside, I did build up my network a bit, and I avoided getting stabbed by the guys on coke with the neck tats who started a brawl at the after party the russian invited me to.

What a fuckin' night.

[Trotter]

(08-15-2009 07:04 PM)BaltimoreBachelor Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:10 PM)College Game Wrote:  

Went solo last night at my usual pub.

Well damn. If a Canadian will go out alone, what's my excuse?

Out tonight at Red Maple with some folks from the building. Called the 8 who went "dead" and left a vm: "Hey 8, it's BB, I'll be at Red Maple around 11 tonight with some friends, it'd be cool if you joined us. Take it easy."

Turns out she called back immediately --- "maybe" she'll make it out tonight. And "maybe" I'll stop spending so much god damn money when I go out.

I like this approach and this is how I always did it myself. I'd call the chick up and be like "I'm going to be at this place at such and such time I'll let you come if you promise to be nice." or something along those lines.

[College Game]

*BANG* last night, twice. She was a cougar, 40 years old, I am 24.
Notch.

She was nuts though.

Success because I was incredibly direct. Approached a large group of people in their late 30s and 40s and isolated and escalated. She didn't speak more than 5 words of english, which goes to show you that talking is just window dressing.

[kerouac]

(08-19-2009 10:29 AM)College Game Wrote:  

*BANG* last night, twice. She was a cougar, 40 years old, I am 24.
Notch.

I don't want to get into any of the sensitive details, but let me know what an older woman is like! How was it compared to a 20-something? And did the pussy feel different? Ok, I guess I am asking for sensitive details...

[CJ]

Blargh... I need to work on my lone wolf game. Do we have any threads on that? I'm still trying to shake the belief that you're a "loser" if you go to the bar by yourself. Tonight, after the first bar, all my friends were "tired" or "their lameass girlfriend (ya that one) wanted to go home" or they were "getting stuff done for work", etc. So, I'd have had to go to the second bar I was planning on going to alone. Part of me wishes I had, but part of me is glad I did not, as I might've risked needing a DD. Regardless, I failed to reach my quota of approaches for the weekend thanks to this.

[Tama]

Yeah, I know what you mean CJ. And you definitely are suspect if you're going to a bar by yourself.

That said, one day you will die, and oblivion will welcome you just as rapidly as the universe forgets you.

I try to keep this in mind when I'm pussying out from situation X, where X can be going out alone, opening an unlikely set, asking for anal, etc.

[kerouac]

@CJ:

ok, i got an idea. now on, when i go to a bar alone, and if someone asks me what's up, I'll tell them my friend/wingman just hooked up with a girl so now I'm all alone and need company. I bet this will work like a charm. I'll try it and post some results one day.

[CJ]

kerouac - that's a great idea. I may have to try it myself. I've wanted to go by myself, I just always have that image of the "guy drinking in a bar alone". However, when you're alone you cut all the bullshit. You don't have your friends causing any distractions and you can really focus. I think I'll try this myself next weekend, if necessary. Let me know how it goes.

[Kona]

(08-25-2009 11:58 AM)CJ Wrote:  

kerouac - that's a great idea. I may have to try it myself. I've wanted to go by myself, I just always have that image of the "guy drinking in a bar alone". However, when you're alone you cut all the bullshit. You don't have your friends causing any distractions and you can really focus. I think I'll try this myself next weekend, if necessary. Let me know how it goes.

You guys should go to some happy hours to get comfortable by yourselves. Or eat at the bar then stay. Find a slow place with a attractive bartender. Thats what I did tonight. I had a girl lined up but she fell off. Well my man did come by to chat a bit, but I was solo mostly. She got off at 8. Amanda is fresh off the mainland. Shes super sexy with her eyes and loves the ocean. It blew me away but shes 32 years old.

Aloha!

[CJ]

Kona - Sounds like a good idea, and Wednesday is usually a slow time everywhere, so I may do that tonight.


Last night, went to so many bars. A lot of them were obviously semi-dead being a Tuesday night, but that's ok. Had some good approaches, but unfortunately none of them lead to anything good! I had my best wingman with me, who introduced me to another one of his friends, who turned out to be another good wingman, so not a total loss. Plus I managed to talk to some girl enough that her guy friend, coulda been her boyfriend, sucks for him if he was, bought my friend and I shots and beers!

After my one wingman went awol, the other one and I somehow got challeneged to a game of pool. Unfortunately, at this point I was fairly drunk... I tried not to be, but when people keep giving me free drinks, I drink them. So, I'm sure that's what messed things up there, although we did win the game and a kiss from both girls, but again gotta watch that damn drinking! Cuz I'm sure if it was that or that it was already 2am that messed that up.

On the plus side before going off the deep end, my kino has definitely improved, I'm far more comfortable with that, but I still need to look for more signs from body language, etc, aside from just eye contact, and of course the main thing: staying "sober-ish".

[Kona]

"coulda been her boyfriend, sucks for him if he was, bought my friend and I shots and beers!"

That's the move brah. That guy knew full well you could bang his chick and probably beat him down too. Maybe you didn't see it but he buying you and your man a few was his little way of begging you not to snatch her up.

Aloha!

[College Game]

Was in Ottawa for the past five days, picked up twice. The rut is officially over.
1) One was in a club, 80s night. Trial and error dancing with everyone, opening with humour generally. Caught the underappreciated wall flower type and escalated through dancing.

2) Second one was a direct pickup, took about 15 minutes. Very direct, the key here was the long silence that was by no means awkward in between questions that I didn't really care about, ie. where are you from, what do you do, etc. I just did the long sex eyes stare. Key line to move to the kiss was, "Did you eat chicken wings for dinner? Because you have something right here" Put my hand on her chin and pulled her toward my face.

BANG. BANG.

[College Game]

(08-22-2009 02:20 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(08-19-2009 10:29 AM)College Game Wrote:  

*BANG* last night, twice. She was a cougar, 40 years old, I am 24.
Notch.

I don't want to get into any of the sensitive details, but let me know what an older woman is like! How was it compared to a 20-something? And did the pussy feel different? Ok, I guess I am asking for sensitive details...

Pussy was of course looser, and a lot, a LOT wetter. She had a crazy sex drive too, was ready to go right after.

I took a page out of Roosh's book on this one. She kept telling me in French and Spanish that I was a child, and very young. In all honesty I was young enough to be her son. But when she said this I just said, "I know" instead of saying some bull shit like "age is just a number" or even "its ok, no problem."

But in reality the key was being direct, very direct.