[kerouac]

Yeah, and especially don't talk trash about the state that is one of the biggest economies in the world on its own. Haha, I love how right-wingers like to take jabs at California, but really, look at actual figures and facts.

In regards to going abroad to teach English, remember that you are from a country where people around the world are working their asses off to MOVE TO (to work). To go to a Latin American country to teach english must seem really weird to locals. Again, something to keep in mind.

[speakeasy]

(11-30-2009 01:59 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

To go to a Latin American country to teach english must seem really weird to locals. Again, something to keep in mind.

I once read a story about a guy that was traveling in the Amazon region of Brazil. A Brazilian man told him he can't imagine why on earth anyone would want to come here, most people are trying to get the heck out! Granted, the guy was in some impoverished area deep in the jungle. I'm sure the people living in hillside mansions in Sao Conrado feel differently.

[gringoed]

If you're already an American your best bet is to develop your business income here in the US. Why go to another country to do it where you will have to fight so many barriers (Visa issues, getting credit/loans, language and culture barriers, possible govt interference)

Also, being from here you're much more likely to spot opportunities because you understand US markets much better.

[thegmanifesto]

"If you're already an American your best bet is to develop your business income here in the US. Why go to another country to do it where you will have to fight so many barriers (Visa issues, getting credit/loans, language and culture barriers, possible govt interference)"

Not to mention low wages.

Make dollars (if you are American) and go for geo-arbitrage.

[speakeasy]

(11-30-2009 05:12 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

If you're already an American your best bet is to develop your business income here in the US. Why go to another country to do it where you will have to fight so many barriers (Visa issues, getting credit/loans, language and culture barriers, possible govt interference)

Also, being from here you're much more likely to spot opportunities because you understand US markets much better.

Plus there tends to be a shitload of red tape when it comes to setting up businesses abroad. There is in the US too, but not as much as in many other countries. Plus business taxes should be less in the U.S. than in more socialistic countries.

[gringoed]

"geo-arbitrage"

I love this phrase. One of the benefits of being alive during this time. 200 years from now this will not be possible.

[Whoremonger]

(11-30-2009 01:59 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

Yeah, and especially don't talk trash about the state that is one of the biggest economies in the world on its own. Haha, I love how right-wingers like to take jabs at California, but really, look at actual figures and facts.

In regards to going abroad to teach English, remember that you are from a country where people around the world are working their asses off to MOVE TO (to work). To go to a Latin American country to teach english must seem really weird to locals. Again, something to keep in mind.

It was the 6th largest economy in the world. WAS.

Its now bankrupt to the point where the right wingers cant keep the criminals in San Quentin anymore. Amazing how someone critical of the state though is automatically considered a right winger? Nice try

Im not trying to turn this into a USA bashing thread. The suggestion though that the USA is a land of unlimited opportunity while the rest of the world pales into insignificance is insulting and simply not true. There are options, and anyone with a passport who had traveled and worked abroad will know this.

But hey, isnt it like 85% of Americans dont even own a passport? Dosh garn, but there aint no life worth shit outside the USA.

[Kona]

(11-30-2009 07:08 PM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

Im not trying to turn this into a USA bashing thread.

No let's do it.

Hawaii sends 8 billion dollars a year to the IRS. We get back around 4 billion worth of services. That's Bullshit.

Over a 50 MILLION dollar shortfall our public schools are now shut down every Friday. Our kids, who already get jack shit from the government, haven't had a full week of school this year.

Barack Obama's high school is not affected by "Furlough Friday" since it's fancy.

Seriously, why couldn't we get a little more of our 4 Billion Dollars back to keep the kids in school?

The only reason I can think of is because they already blew it keeping that mainland clusterfuck running.

Aloha!

[kerouac]

You are talking out of your ass. You are producing the equivalent of a mega fart. One of those farts that shakes the entire room. The kind of fart that your deaf grandmother will probably even notice.

Coming up with this bullshit on the radio is fine when you're spewing your bullshit to the lowest common denominator, but here on the interfarts we have this thing called fact checking (which I would do if there were any facts to be checked).

(11-30-2009 05:17 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

I dont give a crap about GDP statistics or how many Mexicans want to move to the USA. Australians make more money for the same job and have a stronger currency and higher standard of living than Americans do. The Scandanavian countries also provide more. When it comes to human development indexes and quality of life surveys, Canada, Australia and Scandanavian countries outdo the USA in almost every single index there is. For all the talk of a high cost of living, the quality of life and standard of living is actually higher.

Right, so you don't give a crap about what every fucking macroeconomist cares about when looking at economies. Also, in case you haven't noticed, there are other immigrants who are coming in from other countries (India & China for instance) who are providing a lot of the brain power for our economy's most valuable weapons (technology).

(11-30-2009 05:17 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

The USA used to be the place to make your fortune. Now its headed down the same path as California. A liberal welfare state which produces nothing. The entire US economy is based on consumer spending and has so much debt Im not even sure if it has much of a future.

Ok, so here you make fun of the Californian "welfare state", but then just a moment ago you brought up how Scandinavians have a better quality of life and better social services. Hmm.

Since I know you don't care about the GDP and that sort of "crap" but really, stop spewing that methane gas... it's toxic.

[Whoremonger]

Put this shit into perspective you tool, and stop assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is fuckin idiot. 85% of the USA does not even own a passport, so I guess you can be forgiven for thinking there is a world outside the USA. For some reason you seem to think Im slagging off the USA, which is not the case. I am suggesting that there are options outside it! Why is that such a difficult thing for you to understand or even acknowledge? Its not your only real option and any suggestion that it is is so fucking retarded its not funny.

How does the GDP number even remotely impact you directly as a businessman? We are talking about your ability to earn a living and travel at the same time are we not? I dont give a continental fuck about how large the USA or Japans GDP numbers are. For me as an individual, and for you as an individual, you can only take advantage of the opportunities that are around YOU. Unless you are managing long term funds for some fucking investment bank, GDP is inconsequential to any of us on this forum. You as an individual cannot make long term employment or self employement choices based on a countries GDP. Hell, are you expecting to start a business that lists on the local exchange next week?

Now, when you have a population size as small as the Scandinavian countries, or have a history of socialism like Australia, you are geared up towards delivering services and employment in a socialist state. Its feasible, because its been done long term, and both business and people have made the adjustment. To move away from the American free market system towards a socialist economic structure requires a radical shift in the standard of living and the way people use currency. Which is why liberal states in the USA are in so much trouble. Are you prepared to pay 50% of your salary in taxes yet? Americans cant afford to pay their home loans as it is, imagine when 50% of your net pay is removed to pay for some mexicans fuckin healthcare.

That is irrelevant to this thread though. As a person who wants to travel and enjoy the luxury of doing so on a first world income, what are your realistic options? Lets not get ahead of ourselves and think that we are going to open multi national listed companies where GDP figures could impact on our ability to attract investors. No, lets look at this realistically and stop acting like redneck trailer trash insistent on showing their patriotism here.

What do you as an individual need to do to travel and earn at the same time?

1) Pick your location of interest
2) Look at the first world countries with stable economies close to those locations, or developing economies where there are skills shortages close to those regions of interest, and consider seeking out employment there.
3) If you like the locations and would possibly consider moving there permanently , review what opportunities there are for self employment in those locations and review your personal situation
4) Living and working the region allows you to experience the culture of the country people

Do you have any idea what expat bankers make in Singapore? Engineers in Russia? Construction workers in the middle east? You would earn salaries that dwarf what you could expect in the USA.

There are opportunities outside the USA, for both employment and self employment. Get your head out your arse and take you basic lesson on economics to some stupid motherfucker who would maybe be impressed by it. You have come across as an ignorant schmuck. As for me, I see another armchair traveler/keyboard jockey who reads Time once a year and thinks they know something. Fuck, if you saw what was actually happening in Asia right now, you would shit your pants. Singapore alone makes half the US cities look third world.

[kerouac]

Whoremonger, I didn't want to get your panties in a bunch... I just wanted to properly escalate to "Interfarts." ;P

Ok, back to the point. I don't disagree with most of the things you have to say. I disagree with you making it seem like the US is going down the drain. This isn't an issue of pride. This is an issue of being realistic and realizing the world will not let the US crumble any time soon. Most of the world places great amount of faith on the USD, and their own currencies and economies will be in jeopardy if the USD fails. The good thing about having a lot of important investors whose interests are tied to your well-being is that you are relatively safe in the world. This is the advantage the United States has over other countries.

Furthermore, you bring up Russia like it's actually back to being a superpower. Russia is living in a bubble right now. Their economy is artificially inflated, thanks to their gas/oil, which is why they are trying to get their country developed as fast as they can, before they run out.

While the countries you bring up may well make most American cities look like 3rd world countries in comparison, that is not the point. The United States as a financial institution, and as a place to be an entrepreneur, is still one of the best places in the world. Sure, Singapore may be nicer and more futuristic looking, and as much as I wish the US had the organization of some European/Asian cities, that is not the point of this "argument". The point of all of this is where can one develop/run a business in order to travel and have an income stream that allows a certain level of freedom.

[Xer]

I've been reading this site for the last couple of days. I am going to SA for a year, and should be leaving in January. My main goal is to learn spanish and find a place to live for the long haul. I'm 48 with no ex or children. I like latina women, and would consider hooking up for good. What age range of women are available for me at 48? I am in excellent shape 6' 175 lbs no gray hair, and I look latin. I want to teach business English down the road in order to meet business people in SA. I don't care what it pays. The connections are more important than the money. I am convinced that SA will do very well in the agriculture bull market that is forming. I also think that the 70 year bear market in SA is coming to an end. Agriculture will be big money for those that get in on a good angle. Thank you Roosh for building such a great site. I am also a blues guitarist, and was wondering if anyone ever saw any blues clubs in SA.

[deadgabacho]

Women are married much much earlier and there is a much lower divorce rate in the Spanish speaking world. Bachelorettes in their 40's aren't very abundant.

[The_CEO]

There's a magazine, Transitions Abroad that has some solid info about this

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/

i've researched it a bit... and concluded that teaching English overseas, at best, is a way to subsidize a trip, but not really a viable career.

There are some interesting programs though, like World Teach and i think they have a program where you go to Micronesia...

[Roosh]

My impression is that gringos who teach abroad break about even unless they go to a high-demand place like South Korea.

[thekiller]

If South Korea is a high demand place for english teaching and doesn't require heavy duty credentials how come it's not discussed more here? It seems to me that Korean girls are some of the hotter Asian girls. But going through all these posts I never really hear anyone talking about them except maybe banging one that happened to be in another country or on vacation.

[Roosh]

Because not many guys here have been to South Korea nor teach english.

[speakeasy]

(12-29-2009 07:11 AM)thekiller Wrote:  

If South Korea is a high demand place for english teaching and doesn't require heavy duty credentials how come it's not discussed more here? It seems to me that Korean girls are some of the hotter Asian girls. But going through all these posts I never really hear anyone talking about them except maybe banging one that happened to be in another country or on vacation.

I have a friend who went to teach English for a year in S. Korea with her boyfriend. She said it was "ok" over there, but I get the feeling that S. Korea isn't the greatest place to be. Japan pays good too, I'd take that over Korea any day. I think it's easy to get a job in China too. The places in the middle east are very lucrative, but you have to put up with living in a strict Islamic country and your only sex will come from Russian hookers smuggled in.

[thekiller]

Japan would be very cool but the cost of living is high over there. J-girls are definitely cute though.

[Peoloom]

(12-29-2009 07:11 AM)thekiller Wrote:  

If South Korea is a high demand place for english teaching and doesn't require heavy duty credentials how come it's not discussed more here? It seems to me that Korean girls are some of the hotter Asian girls. But going through all these posts I never really hear anyone talking about them except maybe banging one that happened to be in another country or on vacation.

If you browse through any of the teaching english abroad sites (like daveseslcafe.com, I believe thats the biggest one) youll see that S Korea is pretty much the most popular destination. From my research, a person could come out about 10k ahead after teaching there for a year because the schools pay their teachers rent and utilities

[Roosh]

Wanted to bump this thread.

If you like being the center of attention, teaching English is a lot of fun.

One of the main goal's is to get the students to speak. Well, that's what game is! It's like getting paid to run game. I'm enjoying it though the pay is low.

[WanderingSoul]

(03-07-2012 02:27 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Wanted to bump this thread.

If you like being the center of attention, teaching English is a lot of fun.

One of the main goal's is to get the students to speak. Well, that's what game is! It's like getting paid to run game. I'm enjoying it though the pay is low.

Why are you teaching English, Roosh? To meet people in a new place?

Also, are you teaching for a school to children, or to older people? My friend teaches English in Spain and teaches to older students, get's 500 Euros a week and seems to enjoy it. Of course, he is fluent in Spanish so I think that is why his pay is so high.

I also have a friend who teaches English in Thailand, but teaches to kids, and that doesn't seem anywhere near as much fun. I believe most S. Korean teaching jobs are like this?

[redneckpunk]

there are many things that suck about it, but it is a great way to meet locals, learn a lot about their culture, learn about the city you are in, and a way to secure a work visa.

[memcpy]

The pay isn't great but also not bad. It's basically enough to save and take a few small trips, and party.

From what i've researched most Japanese English teacher's are either:
1: the gaijin clown entertainer
2: the human pronunciation machine
3: have control over entire lessons

I hope I at least am not 1 or 2, 3 would be nice.

Once I get there I want to do some private lessons on the side, even though doing so is against my contract. I'm seeing lots of opportunities to teach on the side, once the school season starts in April you will start seeing people drop out, teachers getting sick, and posts go up wanting someone to take over their class for the day/weekend.

I've got business cards made up, got friends already over there, and I'm ready to see what I can get into.

[WanderingSoul]

(03-07-2012 08:42 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

I'll be teaching English in Japan, leaving this weekend. I signed a contract and the pay is around 230,000 yen. I found this company through craigslist Tokyo of all places, after trying the major English schools AEON, JET, INTERAC. Basically they don't want you unless you have experience and a work visa.

The pay isn't great but also not bad. It's basically enough to save and take a few small trips, and party.

From what i've researched most Japanese English teacher's are either:
1: the gaijin clown entertainer
2: the human pronunciation machine
3: have control over entire lessons

I hope I at least am not 1 or 2, 3 would be nice.

Once I get there I want to do some private lessons on the side, even though doing so is against my contract. I'm seeing lots of opportunities to teach on the side, once the school season starts in April you will start seeing people drop out, teachers getting sick, and posts go up wanting someone to take over their class for the day/weekend.

I've got business cards made up, got friends already over there, and I'm ready to see what I can get into.

That is $2,800 a month. Pretty good wage for most places, not sure about Japan though.

Got a few questions if ya don't mind.

1. Is your housing included like in S. Korea, or do you have to pay for that yourself? If you have to pay yourself, about how much will you be paying?

2. Which city will you be living in? If in Tokyo, are you close to good nightlife and the happening spots?

3. Have you taught English before elsewhere?

4. Do you a TEFL or other similar cert?

5. Do they provide a work permit, or will you be living and working illegally?

Anything else someone interested in this should know?

Hope you have a blast in Japan, bro!