[ArtfulDodger]

I have Roosh's Day Bang and I must say it's a huge leap forward for day game.

Day Bang is filled with tons of openers, and you can use his basic formula to generate millions of other openers. Here's one I came up with to be used on college lizards (i.e., the ones you might see reading a textbook or wearing a university related sweatshirt or the like):

"Hey, you look like you go to [name of college]. My [friend/sibling/relative] is thinking of going there. How are you finding it?"

Proceed as normal with elderly chat under the pretense that you need advice for your friend.

If you're still in college (which I'm not), obviously you'll have little need for an opener like this because you'll be running into college lizards all the time for normal non-contrived reasons. Lucky bastid.

[Samseau]

Pretty good. Will try.

[Mace]

(10-23-2011 02:42 AM)ArtfulDodger Wrote:  

"Hey, you look like you go to [name of college]. My [friend/sibling/relative] is thinking of going there. How are you finding it?"

Proceed as normal with elderly chat under the pretense that you need advice for your friend.

If you're still in college (which I'm not), obviously you'll have little need for an opener like this because you'll be running into college lizards all the time for normal non-contrived reasons. Lucky bastid.

... and then what?

You're the creepy older guy trespassing on their campus.

If you look young enough just pretend you're a student.

Or say you're there to meet a friend but got lost - ask for directions and take it from there Paul Janka style.

[ArtfulDodger]

Mace:

Day Bang explains how to transition from elderly chat into deeper stages of attraction and comfort. He calls it "baiting." I'm not at liberty to explain Roosh's model here, but it's definitely worth checking out. Your questions will be answered there.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily use this on campus - although you could. I've had good results at cafes or places where people are studying, and there's some clue or indication they go to college. Remember the goal is just to start a conversation without scaring the cat. Hope that helps.

[Mace]

The big problem with the "elderly chat" is it provokes the initial "WTF? why is he telling me this?" reaction. There's a huge risk of coming across weird and rambling, like that annoying old guy who just won't shut up about his war stories.

[ArtfulDodger]

There's many ways to skin that cat.

With due respect, I fail to see how elderly chat is any weirder than asking for directions and then abruptly switching to "hey, are you good at relationships" followed by a mystery-method-style opinion opener (i.e., a previous thread you started involving recording your approaches which I can't link to because I'm still a forum newb - although that was a very good thread and I admire your initiative in creating it).

Elderly chat is maximized for naturalness. And until you've tried it you're only theorizing about how it might come off, which is the essence of keyboard jockeying.

In any case, your contribution is appreciated. I don't see why the Janka style opener wouldn't work as well.

[Mace]

Agree that a lot of the Mystery Method routines are cornball and can come across weird if delivered properly. But it works if done right.
 
The key is to go in with a game plan.
 
- Start by saying I’m looking for a friend and need directions – the easiest and most socially appropriate way to stop a stranger on the street (credit Paul Janka).
 
- Transition with the curveball – “Are you good with relationship advice?” and immediately ground it with “I know it sounds random.” This gets her guard down (he must be in a relationship, so he’s normal, and he’s not trying to hit on me.) And she’s intrigued. By acknowledging the randomness you avoid looking socially awkward.
 
- Deliver the opener. Add context to it – “my friend’s going through some problems, I’m supposed to meet him in a minute. I thought I’d ask you since you wouldn’t biased.” False time constraint with some justification so you don’t seem like a total weirdo who stops random strangers for advice.
 
- Follow up with “wow, you’re good with relationship advice, you’re like Dr. Phil. With more hair.” Always gets a laugh, and a mild neg. Sets a flirty frame. Once you’ve got her laughing, you’re in.
 
- Exchange names, do a cold read, and stack forward to a normal conversation
 
- Bounce out of there in 5-10 minutes – say you’ve got to go find your friend and tell him what she’s told you, but you enjoyed chatting and would love to continue the conversation over drinks sometime.
 
- After getting the digits say you’ll relay her advice to your friend and text her later to let her know how it went. This keeps her wondering and guarantees a response to your initial text.
 
By following this template I’m closing 1 in 3 approaches, and have had only about a couple of flakes from a dozen numbers. So has my wingman. And we’re both new to day game. I’ve field tested this. Listen to my audio clips.
 
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6950.html
 
If you can assure a higher hit rate with the elderly/rambling stuff I want to hear it. Field test it and post some audio of your approaches.
 
 
 

[ArtfulDodger]

As I've said, I respect the initiative you've taken to do all that, and you're definitely one of the major contributors to this forum. That's clear. However, I'm not interested in converting anyone to any single "system." That's not the point of this thread and that's not my purpose here. I liken it to Bruce Lee's approach to martial arts, which is to borrow elements from every system, and to test to out and retain what works. If you're not down with elderly chat, that's cool bro, but you're missing out on a potentially powerful tool to add to your arsenal.

As for your challenge, in the words of a homosexual cowboy turned psychotic clown, "If you're good at something, never do it for free."



Just kidding, I'm waiting to upgrade my phone, and hope to participate in your challenge when I get a decent recording device. I hope more people participate and do audio recordings also.

Play on, players.

[Samseau]

Mace do you get bangs from your method?

[Luckystar]

. ..

[Sardino]

What's up with all the girls in that video wearing goofy looking gym shorts when they're out in public? Why don't they put a skirt on or at least wear real shorts?

[Mace]

Paul Janka relies on a "get in and get out" high volume numbers game. He admits to banging only 1 in 10 numbers. His flake % would go way down if he stayed in there for 5-10 min and built some rapport.

I know a lot of guys rag on Janka and credit his success to his GQ looks. I like that he's intentionally obscured his looks with the shady serial killer sunglasses, beard and hat in that video.

[Mace]

(10-25-2011 08:36 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Mace do you get bangs from your method?

I've only been at this for a few weeks and have been tweaking thigns along the way. I've only now got a system now that's returning something consistent.

I got the digits of a cute 22 year old blonde doing campus day game. Took her out for drinks a week later and brought her back my pad, but bungled it by not going for the bang(http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7334.html). Of the remaining ~10 numbers - a couple were non-responsive, a couple were underage, a couple I screwed up through bad text game, and some fizzled out as the momentum from the initial approach wore off over time.

The good thing though is Virtually every girl has been responsive to my initial texts and phone calls. I'm still working on a follow-up system to lead to more dates.

My older buddy who's following the same system is seeing two college girls now of about 10 closes.

Even day game playboy Paul Janka only bangs 1 in 10 numbers. He does a high volume / low investment approach, we're going with more investment in the initial approach to reduce flakes. The Janka method is no good for us - we're both yuppies with 9 to 5 jobs and with the days getting shorter we have to make the best of that one hour of daylight when we leave the office.

We're doing our approaches on a college campus where the girls are more friendly and receptive. I've had a few girls literally walk me to buildings when I stop to ask ask for directions - this wouldn't happen outside the campus bubble. This campus is loaded with nerdy betas and foreigners in math/eng/tech programs so there isn't much competition from other dudes - this works hugely in our favour. This material works best on white middle-class college girls, particularly the more studious ones who aren't skanking it up at the clubs on the weekends and not used to a lot of attention from high-value guys.

Unfortunately, the cold & rain up here has put a damper on campus/street game. I haven't done the volume of approaches I'd like. With the impending winter and daylight savings time it's only getting worse for day game. You guys down south in warmer climes don't realize how good you have it!

[Giovonny]

(10-23-2011 02:42 AM)ArtfulDodger Wrote:  

"Hey, you look like you go to [name of college]. My [friend/sibling/relative] is thinking of going there. How are you finding it?"

Proceed as normal with elderly chat under the pretense that you need advice for your friend.

Sure, this will work to get the conversation started. But, thats the easy part. The harder part is transitioning from random guy asking questions about her school, to attractive, interesting guy that she wants to hang out with sometime. That is where some more advanced conversational skills are needed. You might want to "drop bait" like Roosh suggests, neg her a little, and/or get her talking about an emotional issue. You have to make a connection somehow.

This is a good example of a "situational opener". You see her wearing a college sweatshirt so you ask her about her college. Easy enough. But, what if she wasn't wearing that sweatshirt? Then what would you say to her? This is why we have to very aware of our social environment and look for opportunities to find something in common with a girl. If she wasn't wearing that college sweatshirt, you might have to ask her about her shoes, clothing, handbag, accessories, books, coffee, salad, ipod, laptop, phone, perfume, etc.

There are a million ways to open her. Building comfort and attraction is the key to banging her.

(10-23-2011 12:57 PM)Mace Wrote:  

... and then what?

You're the creepy older guy trespassing on their campus.

Yes, if you just ask her about her school and then ramble for 10 minutes, she might start to get creeped out. Girls have a great sense for this. She might start to suspect that you never really cared about the college, you just wanted to talk to her. this is why its its key to transition smoothly into something that you guys can connect to. If she is not talking and asking you questions, its not looking good.

I can tell that Mace has been approaching alot of girls. He knows what I'm talking about. The opener is easy, its the next 5-10 minutes of conversation that will determine if you see her again or not.

Keep up the strong work Mace.