[Tuthmosis]

(10-02-2011 11:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Online dating gets a lot of hate on these forums. Poor Gmac has to fight an uphill battle.

(10-02-2011 11:08 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

I think that's generalizing a bit. There are a lot more reasons for people to use online dating than simply "anti-social and lazy."

In my view, online dating deserves a lot of the bad rep it gets in these parts. There are definitely massive pitfalls and it can be a real time-suck, draining resources better spent on actually hitting the pavement and refining your actual gaming skills. That said, I think guys who have figured out how to use it effectively as a secondary means (to traditional street gaming) are really diversifying their talent pools. I can say that I get totally different demographics from my street game than I do from the little bit of short-term online gaming I've been doing. The cats who seek to replace traditional methods with online methods are really shooting themselves in the foot. Supplementing is another story.

Online girls aren't any more fucked up than a random sampling of (American) girls, like in years past. You have to accept that we're living in strange times where--due to mass texting, addiction-level cell phone use in general, and 24/7 social networking--a significant percentage of "normal" girls feel more comfortable in front of a computer screen than they do in a bar or out clubbing. They go out to "singles" spots less and rely on the online environment and insular social-circle meet-ups to get their sausage. We can only penetrate these girls' spheres by going to those watering holes. Sure, we access some of that demographic with high-quality day game, but that still limits us by geography and random logistics. Integrating online game can truly widen your girl horizons into the distant frontier.

Once you develop a decent screening mechanism (for fatties and prudes), time discipline, and integration into your normal gaming technique, online dating can be a powerful complement to your day approaches and night game. With online game in your arsenal, you can virtually eliminate dry spells, enjoy a new dimension of variety in your talent pool, and keep your balls as empty as you please. There is a sizeable number of young, cute, DTF girls in the online universe. Played right (and that's the operative part), you can access this demo. It isn't easy, but once conquered--like any other aspect of game--becomes pretty automatic and fruitful.

I didn't always have this view. In fact, I was until recently one of the most vocal detractors of online game, but I've been converted in recent months by cats like Gmac who have, through diligent and generous work in forum, convinced me of its value.

[scorpio]

So I've been trying POF/OKC in an erratic way for the last month.

Overall, I got good responses. But I just decided that the effort required wasn't worth it for me. With the cost of gas high these days, a flake from online dating would be expensive for me from a time and money standpoint.

I ended up dropping alot of these bitches cold because I felt it was more value to me to bruise their over-inflated egos rather than chase them. Many times, I tried to pre-qualify them, but it generally doesn't work because they haven't met you: no chemistry, no real attraction, no alpha vibe, no social proof. It's kind of like entering the Gladiator Arena without your armor. I don't like online really because there's alot of things about it that is built around beta game. It is very hard to pimp alpha game online. Truth.

I had three legitimate prospects. One was a hot 25 y.o. on POF, and we hit it off. On our second chat, she tried to qualify me in a blatantly disrespectful way, so I hung up on our her (chat) and left. Fuck you cunt.

The second was some 19 y.o. who is out of town for two months before coming back. As soon as I found that out, I put her on the backburner and just simply refused to give her more attention.

The third was a 31 y.o. who projected total no game-playing coolness - a low 7 redhead. No nonsense bullshit. We messaged twice, I called her. We scheduled to meet up. I qualified her a bunch of times. She tried to do the same, but I just told her that I hadn't met her yet, so it was hard for me to answer any of her questions. She messaged me day of to confirm the date. I replied a few hours later saying sure. She texts me two hours before saying she wanted to, but was too exhausted. Unacceptable. I didn't reply, deleted her number. Noticed a couple of days she deleted her POF account.

Bottom-line: Why am I going to put up with this shit? Especially when I don't put up with it in real life? Treat online dating as a shits-and-giggles side-experiment, and don't put more time into it than it deserves (which is very little).

[el mechanico]

Tuthmosis and Scorpio.....Great posts.

Another thing I noticed is Girls online will send you the lamest messages and expect to get awesomeness in return. They don't have to work!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they like you (picture) they will give you the digits on the second message. I have tested this 100 times with my fake and real profiles.
My fake profile even says I smoke drink and do drugs. does it matter? No! Its the picture that matters. I look in their mail settings and the girls that message me wouldn't even accept one from me most the time. Get busy with stellar pics if you want to pull online. The one on my real profile is a picture of me throwing a cast net most the time with it fully extended.

This fat girl neighbor of mine at work met a goodlooking guy on okcupid a few weeks ago. She was wearing a double heart diamond pendant/necklace that she showed me and had told me they have been ring shopping.

She would be a two if you saw the "5" thread.

That's what the competition is ready to do so game accordingly.

[Gmac]

Ha, a lot of your success with online dating depends on a few key factors:

*Location - Major metropolitan area? Public Transport? Venue Vicinity & Logistics?
*Pictures - Attractive? Exotic? Well-traveled? Interesting?
*Profile - Stand out? Pick a motif and stick to it.
*Strategy - Picking the right women, message content, profile analysis/conclusion, speed/efficiency, locking down the date.
*Game - Can you hold your own in real life? Seduction? Closing?

Keep it coming, you guys are giving me more reasons to finish my book.

[wolf]

You will just start hating yourself if you got out with women that are nobody in life. Like the saying goes, misery needs company. They will drag you down with them.

Stop the contact online if you see a red flag. When you meet them in person and she is not who she says she is then just make some excuse like you have to use the restroom and then just leave.

Most of the chicks are doing us a favor by not even meeting us.

[Screwston]

not a big fan of it but i've plenty of fucks from online. call it what you wanna but i want to slap a bitch through my phone or laptop screen when she gets an attitude or has a list as long as my dick of what she looks for in a guy. bitch, you know would give me your number and be begging me to fuck if i caught you in the real world!! i love just looking in a girl's eyes, spitting my game and watching her melt like some butter on a pan. with that being said, i got 3 numbers from POF while messing around with it on my phone at work the other day.

[Scarlet_Terror]

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You really get the dregs on CL

Not necessarily true. One of my hottest hookups (legit 8.8) was from CL. A 21 y/o gymnast with a perfect body, gorgeous face. Natural perky DD's. She was stupid as hell and flaky, but she wasn't damaged in the slightest and I still have images of her tone naked body burned into my brain.

My friend has dated a few girls off of CL, and they've actually been HOTTER than his OKC dates. You gotta get the girls who are bored after they look for a furniture or roommate and just wander over.

[el mechanico]

(10-03-2011 01:52 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

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You really get the dregs on CL

Not necessarily true. One of my hottest hookups (legit 8.8) was from CL. A 21 y/o gymnast with a perfect body, gorgeous face. Natural perky DD's. She was stupid as hell and flaky, but she wasn't damaged in the slightest and I still have images of her tone naked body burned into my brain.

My friend has dated a few girls off of CL, and they've actually been HOTTER than his OKC dates. You gotta get the girls who are bored after they look for a furniture or roommate and just wander over.

You have my attention. Elaborate?

[Scarlet_Terror]

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You have my attention. Elaborate?

I don't do CL a lot, but when I do, the quality (as least physically) usually doesn't dissapoint. I just make a smart-ass ad (never answer women's ads) about how awesome and tall I am, and how fucking weird and creepy the rest of the guys are. Look around, it's a HUGE creep fest. Set yourself apart.


I've gone out with a forensic chemist (legit 8), that gymnast (8.8), and some cunty lawyer (7, eh). On CL, once you get a second date...you're IN. I actually have a foreign FB I met on CL. Been porking her for a few months now. She doesn't care if I go on dates with other girls as long as I give her a regular supply of wang. Her face is probably only a 6, but her body is a 9. Her goofy accent isn't really a turn on, but she's pretty Americanized sexually (and far more submissive and eager to please than most DC girls).

Like all forms of online dating, it's a numbers game. Sometime my ad will result in four hot dates, sometimes none. I just post one for the week and make a new one when it expires. I've joined this forum to ramp up my cold-approach game, as my online game is pretty tight. My cold approach game is beyond awful, despite my looks.

[Gmac]

(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

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You have my attention. Elaborate?

I don't do CL a lot, but when I do, the quality (as least physically) usually doesn't dissapoint. I just make a smart-ass ad (never answer women's ads) about how awesome and tall I am, and how fucking weird and creepy the rest of the guys are. Look around, it's a HUGE creep fest. Set yourself apart.


I've gone out with a forensic chemist (legit 8), that gymnast (8.8), and some cunty lawyer (7, eh). On CL, once you get a second date...you're IN. I actually have a foreign FB I met on CL. Been porking her for a few months now. She doesn't care if I go on dates with other girls as long as I give her a regular supply of wang. Her face is probably only a 6, but her body is a 9. Her goofy accent isn't really a turn on, but she's pretty Americanized sexually (and far more submissive and eager to please than most DC girls).

Like all forms of online dating, it's a numbers game. Sometime my ad will result in four hot dates, sometimes none. I just post one for the week and make a new one when it expires. I've joined this forum to ramp up my cold-approach game, as my online game is pretty tight. My cold approach game is beyond awful, despite my looks.

I'm not surprised, given your looks and strategy... but how do you weed out all the spam? It's never seemed worth the time. I also don't think I'm good looking enough to pull those kinds of women off CL.

[Screwston]

What about just saying you have a big dick and gurantee to make her cum at least 3 times? I'm serious. Will it work?

[Scarlet_Terror]

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I'm not surprised, given your looks and strategy... but how do you weed out all the spam? It's never seemed worth the time. I also don't think I'm good looking enough to pull those kinds of women off CL.

Oh, 50% of it is spam. But the spambots will never mention anything unique in your ad, real women will. So basically ignore any replies that don't mention something specific. The first ad I posted in 2011 got me 4 smokin' dates and about 15 replies from women (half of them 6s or higher). The second ad I posted the next month got me nothing but spambots. It's hit and miss. As long as you don't let it be time consuming, CL is a good tool to augment your dating life and meet women you otherwise wouldn't meet.

I'm nowhere near model good looking. Not muscley enough and I have a receding hairline that I shave. Most girls I've dated put me at an 8, but being humble I'd say I'm more a 7.5.

The fact you're white (I'm guessing) is also going to be a huge leg up on someone like me. I have to fight tooth and nail for every white notch.

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What about just saying you have a big dick and gurantee to make her cum at least 3 times? I'm serious. Will it work?

That's what most of the creepy CL ads look like, making it easier for 'normal' guys to pull off of CL.

[Caligula]

(10-03-2011 03:26 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

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I'm not surprised, given your looks and strategy... but how do you weed out all the spam? It's never seemed worth the time. I also don't think I'm good looking enough to pull those kinds of women off CL.

Oh, 50% of it is spam. But the spambots will never mention anything unique in your ad, real women will. So basically ignore any replies that don't mention something specific. The first ad I posted in 2011 got me 4 smokin' dates and about 15 replies from women (half of them 6s or higher). The second ad I posted the next month got me nothing but spambots. It's hit and miss. As long as you don't let it be time consuming, CL is a good tool to augment your dating life and meet women you otherwise wouldn't meet.

I'm nowhere near model good looking. Not muscley enough and I have a receding hairline that I shave. Most girls I've dated put me at an 8, but being humble I'd say I'm more a 7.5.

The fact you're white (I'm guessing) is also going to be a huge leg up on someone like me. I have to fight tooth and nail for every white notch.

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What about just saying you have a big dick and gurantee to make her cum at least 3 times? I'm serious. Will it work?

That's what most of the creepy CL ads look like, making it easier for 'normal' guys to pull off of CL.

Could you break down your Craigslist game? I'm curious.

[Scarlet_Terror]

1) Funny, witty, ad that sets me apart from the hordes of creepers. I mention I am only interested in girls that are attractive and in-shape (you're still get a few delusional 'curvy' girls sending emails). No more than two medium sized paragraphs. Don't ramble or make it too short either.

2) Check email every few hours. You'll get most of your replies within the first 3-4 days of your posting.

3) You can basically cut and paste your questions about them and talking about yourself.

4) Trade about 5 or more decent length emails before you ask them out. It's not as easy as OKC because CL has a worse stereotype so you need to build more comfort.

5) Feel free to make fun of CL a lot, girls will be self-conscious that they are on a CL date.

The women from CL are often hotter than the over-messaged girls on OKC, but the problem is that OKC's matching formula is REALLY good. I've gone out with super religious freaks, creationists, annoying non-profit girls, the works. OKC is more likely to match you with someone close to your beliefs on sex, religion, and general personality outlook.

Send more than a few pics when you start emailing. I won't lie: A lot of my CL game is predicated on my above average looks and height. I choose the best photos of me to send, even if they're a few years old.

[Screwston]

I need to try this now.

[Caligula]

(10-04-2011 11:55 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

1) Funny, witty, ad that sets me apart from the hordes of creepers. I mention I am only interested in girls that are attractive and in-shape (you're still get a few delusional 'curvy' girls sending emails). No more than two medium sized paragraphs. Don't ramble or make it too short either.

2) Check email every few hours. You'll get most of your replies within the first 3-4 days of your posting.

3) You can basically cut and paste your questions about them and talking about yourself.

4) Trade about 5 or more decent length emails before you ask them out. It's not as easy as OKC because CL has a worse stereotype so you need to build more comfort.

5) Feel free to make fun of CL a lot, girls will be self-conscious that they are on a CL date.

The women from CL are often hotter than the over-messaged girls on OKC, but the problem is that OKC's matching formula is REALLY good. I've gone out with super religious freaks, creationists, annoying non-profit girls, the works. OKC is more likely to match you with someone close to your beliefs on sex, religion, and general personality outlook.

Send more than a few pics when you start emailing. I won't lie: A lot of my CL game is predicated on my above average looks and height. I choose the best photos of me to send, even if they're a few years old.

Thanks for the breakdown. Still sceptical on CL vs. OKC. I recently got an email from OKC saying I was considered very attractive so it would start matching me with more attractive girls. Didn't really notice the difference much since I mostly go through search.

Might give CL a try sometime for comparison even if it seems like more work for same or less return.

[Scarlet_Terror]

OKC is a lot more effort than CL. With CL, I get to pick among the women. And if I don't get any good catches, I repost the ad 4-5 days later or make a new one.

OKC you have to message a LOT of girls (I'm assuming like me you only message girls 7+) to get a reply, much less a date, much less a fuck. Keeping in mind I'm above average looking, the odds that any one OKC message I send will lead to a bang is pretty slim. I'm known among my group of friends as being a huge online player, to the point where I'd rate my cold approach game a 2 and my online game a 9.

What time during the day you post also makes a big difference on CL. Like I said, the hottest girls I've banged were from CL, though I've nailed a fair amount of 7-8's from OKC.

[Caligula]

(10-04-2011 01:32 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

OKC is a lot more effort than CL. With CL, I get to pick among the women. And if I don't get any good catches, I repost the ad 4-5 days later or make a new one.

OKC you have to message a LOT of girls (I'm assuming like me you only message girls 7+) to get a reply, much less a date, much less a fuck. Keeping in mind I'm above average looking, the odds that any one OKC message I send will lead to a bang is pretty slim. I'm known among my group of friends as being a huge online player, to the point where I'd rate my cold approach game a 2 and my online game a 9.

What time during the day you post also makes a big difference on CL. Like I said, the hottest girls I've banged were from CL, though I've nailed a fair amount of 7-8's from OKC.

Makes sense. Had my prejudices about CL because I've never really done it.

Would you say CL girls are more likely to be DTF? Are you posting in the dating section or in Casual Encounters?

[BadgerHut]

(10-04-2011 01:17 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

(10-04-2011 11:55 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

1) Funny, witty, ad that sets me apart from the hordes of creepers. I mention I am only interested in girls that are attractive and in-shape (you're still get a few delusional 'curvy' girls sending emails). No more than two medium sized paragraphs. Don't ramble or make it too short either.

2) Check email every few hours. You'll get most of your replies within the first 3-4 days of your posting.

3) You can basically cut and paste your questions about them and talking about yourself.

4) Trade about 5 or more decent length emails before you ask them out. It's not as easy as OKC because CL has a worse stereotype so you need to build more comfort.

5) Feel free to make fun of CL a lot, girls will be self-conscious that they are on a CL date.

The women from CL are often hotter than the over-messaged girls on OKC, but the problem is that OKC's matching formula is REALLY good. I've gone out with super religious freaks, creationists, annoying non-profit girls, the works. OKC is more likely to match you with someone close to your beliefs on sex, religion, and general personality outlook.

Send more than a few pics when you start emailing. I won't lie: A lot of my CL game is predicated on my above average looks and height. I choose the best photos of me to send, even if they're a few years old.

Thanks for the breakdown. Still sceptical on CL vs. OKC. I recently got an email from OKC saying I was considered very attractive so it would start matching me with more attractive girls. Didn't really notice the difference much since I mostly go through search.

Might give CL a try sometime for comparison even if it seems like more work for same or less return.

"Thanks for the breakdown. Still sceptical on CL vs. OKC. I recently got an email from OKC saying I was considered very attractive so it would start matching me with more attractive girls. Didn't really notice the difference much since I mostly go through search. "

I'm guessing that is just marketing to make you believe they are looking out for you and that the women you're looking at are higher quality. Businesses are really sharp on subtle ways to influence your propensity to purchase (or for OKC, time spent on the site to look at ads).

"OKC you have to message a LOT of girls (I'm assuming like me you only message girls 7+) to get a reply, much less a date, much less a fuck. Keeping in mind I'm above average looking, the odds that any one OKC message I send will lead to a bang is pretty slim. I'm known among my group of friends as being a huge online player, to the point where I'd rate my cold approach game a 2 and my online game a 9."

I'm about to take down my OKC profile, it's been a huge waste of time for me. Just about every chick in my city is on it so I might as well just game at social events where I can at least get out of the house while doing it.

[Scarlet_Terror]

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Would you say CL girls are more likely to be DTF? Are you posting in the dating section or in Casual Encounters?

Yes, assuming your game is decent and she is attracted to you. If you really must have one or two night closes, then maybe it's not the best venue, though. Many of the hottest/normal girls I've dated from CL stumbled onto my ad by chance after they were shopping for apts or roommates. I was many's first CL date. They will be resistant to fucking you VERY early because there is something intrinsically a little bit creepier about saying in your head 'I fucked a dude on CL the first night we met'.

I would be wary of longtime CL girls. There's actually this one obnoxious super-religious cow (she used to be slim years ago) who STILL occasionally responds to my various ads, years later. She's been trolling CL for literally years and still can't find a guy. Typical DC girl who's abrasive, obnoxious, and is convinced lack of quality men is why no one wants to keep her around.

And stay the fuck away from Casual Encounters. No one ever got an attractive lay from that without luck or strings attached. Dudefest, anyways.

[Screwston]

Where do u post the ad? I want to try this with my new pictures.

[Kish]

(10-04-2011 02:25 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

Would you say CL girls are more likely to be DTF?

They used to be...before this movie came out....

Lol!

[kimleebj]

(09-30-2011 11:10 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

she was at a bar grabbing a drink though I told her I had no interest in drinking. Red flag.

She looked like the girl in the pictures, but a lot older...and uglier.

she had an 8-year-old daughter whom she failed to mention. Red flag #2.

Who had custody? The father. Red flag #3.

I'm rooting for you, man. But I have heard worse. One friend sat through a date puzzled because he didn't recognize the woman. At the end he pulled out her ad, and she explained that she had used a friend's picture! IMO that is totally unacceptable and demands immediate ejection.

In fairness to your date, getting drunk at her own expense may not be a red flag if you can tolerate a nervous, drunk, slut for a short-term relationship. Similarly, being a non-custodial parent is not necessarily a red flag, unless you want to find a responsible parent and had failed to ask about this.

There are too many "nice guys" here who have become frustrated. I hope it doesn't contaminate their attitudes, and radiate a bitter beta vibe. Instead, I hope you develop productive coping strategies that keep you happy and confident during droughts.

By the way, Cupcake, you write extremely well. Roosh should hire you as an editor. You have written about career woes, and I hope you can capitalize on your writing skill and get some payback from those years studying philosophy!

[CupCake]

(10-04-2011 04:51 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

There are too many "nice guys" here who have become frustrated. I hope it doesn't contaminate their attitudes, and radiate a bitter beta vibe. Instead, I hope you develop productive coping strategies that keep you happy and confident during droughts.

Yeah, it's tough to keep the bitterness away after so many falls. I think trying to live a more productive life is helping me a lot.

(10-04-2011 04:51 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

By the way, Cupcake, you write extremely well. Roosh should hire you as an editor. You have written about career woes, and I hope you can capitalize on your writing skill and get some payback from those years studying philosophy!

Haha. Wow, thanks. That means a lot to mean. I do put a lot of effort into my writing and sometimes I wonder why I'm not getting paid for it. I'm thinking of starting my own blog. I don't think I want to focus on writing about women though, so I think I'll just keep my thoughts on that here for now. Thanks again.

[OldRich]

Clearly she liked you but was upset by your attitude towards her, otherwise she wouldn't have text-ed you that. Not sure why you're upset over it to bother wanting to tell her she's ugly, I would've given that a good chuckle.