[Samseau]

(09-08-2011 04:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Nowadays, the gun is the Alpha.

Take the biggest, baddest, dude. If I have a gun and he doesn't. Then I control the resources.

Tom Brady, Lebron James, Derek Jeter, George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacqiuo, Kimbo Slice, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Charlie Sheen,...

If I have a gun and they don't. Then, I control the resources.

Hypothetically speaking, I will shoot Tom Brady in the face and rape his model girlfriend.

Does that make me an Alpha?

In the animal world the answer is yes.

In the human world, I don't know, I don't really care. It's all semantics.

The gun isn't alpha because we live in a society that provides law and order.

Otherwise, you'd be 100% right: The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Alpha is a distinction that only makes sense in a world where we cannot realistically use force to get what we want.

[Pusscrook]

(09-08-2011 05:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 04:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Nowadays, the gun is the Alpha.

Take the biggest, baddest, dude. If I have a gun and he doesn't. Then I control the resources.

Tom Brady, Lebron James, Derek Jeter, George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacqiuo, Kimbo Slice, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Charlie Sheen,...

If I have a gun and they don't. Then, I control the resources.

Hypothetically speaking, I will shoot Tom Brady in the face and rape his model girlfriend.

Does that make me an Alpha?

In the animal world the answer is yes.

In the human world, I don't know, I don't really care. It's all semantics.

The gun isn't alpha because we live in a society that provides law and order.

Otherwise, you'd be 100% right: The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Alpha is a distinction that only makes sense in a world where we cannot realistically use force to get what we want.

Odg, guns, hollywood actors, scientific analysis, definitions, does it ever end?

[tenderman100]

(09-08-2011 05:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The gun isn't alpha because we live in a society that provides law and order.

Otherwise, you'd be 100% right: The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Alpha is a distinction that only makes sense in a world where we cannot realistically use force to get what we want.

Correct.

In the end, it is about acquisition and consumption. What can I acquire..and what can I consume?

And we're not just talking about material goods or money...it's about power, status, and, yes, pussy.

Alphadom also varies by environment and age. In one environment you can be an alpha, whereas in another, there's not a chance.

And even in an environment you have conquered, you can slip from Alphadom, and slip from it fast. Poster child for that? Barack Obama.

In contrast, Bill Clinton NEVER slipped from Alphadom. Even when he was impeached. He has never lost it, and never will.

[Blackhawk]

There's also a whole social class thing here.

Lower class people own each other. Their relationships are about what people owe you and what you owe them: A place to sleep, a meal, babysitting, hand me downs.

Middle class people have money. They keep it in a bank. They can move anywhere they like, and still draw money out of the ATM, use credit cards, etc. where ever they move.

Lower class people are very immobile. For a lower class person the idea of moving and leaving behind all the people who owe them is like losing a bank account would be to a middle class person. The lower class, particular the inter-generational poverty class, will remain clinging to a bad situation rather than walk away, because that's the currency of their lives.

That's why whores stay with pimps. It has nothing to do with being alpha, and everything to do with being lower class.

Most of Ruby K Payne's work is about these differences: http://www.amazon.com/Ruby-K.-Payne/e/B001JOWHRK
"A Framework for Understanding Poverty" is the most widely read.

When you start talking about owning women, recognize you're descending down the social ladder.

And ownership is a package deal: Just like owning any other pet, there's a whole web of responsibility, social contract and commitments that you're getting yourself into, much of which you may be unaware of yet. Many men here have looked at this before, and decided its a sucky deal.

[Pusscrook]

all this science, theories, contingencies, as to what the adjective should be? Pity the fool that has been enlightened by his own knowledge, yet not know the application of wisdom. I think I found a pair of old cuff links.

[ersatz]

Fucking hell, emotional dependency game is fucking draining and time consuming, and if you want to break up with the broad it's fucking hell. It's also fucking evil. Give me a woman who can emotionally stand on her two feet any day, I have better things to do than to play emotional puppet master.

I didn't read the entire thread.

[washingtonian]

Women are great deceivers, but especially adept at deceiving themselves.

[/quote]

CHURCHHHH!!! Realest sh*t wrote in this thread. For as much as we play these thirsty broads, they really play themselves

[Jarocho2003]

(09-08-2011 10:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

all this science, theories, contingencies, as to what the adjective should be? Pity the fool that has been enlightened by his own knowledge, yet not know the application of wisdom. I think I found a pair of old cuff links.

These theories and definitions are great for academic purposes but when you're in the real world many times you end up using your instincs so get yourself in and out of a situation. Is just experience after all but in the lazy world we live today hardly anyone is willing to go through all of the work that requires to master a skill.

http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/outliers_excerpt1.html

[Giovonny]

(09-08-2011 05:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 04:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Nowadays, the gun is the Alpha.

Take the biggest, baddest, dude. If I have a gun and he doesn't. Then I control the resources.

Tom Brady, Lebron James, Derek Jeter, George St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacqiuo, Kimbo Slice, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Charlie Sheen,...

If I have a gun and they don't. Then, I control the resources.

Hypothetically speaking, I will shoot Tom Brady in the face and rape his model girlfriend.

Does that make me an Alpha?

In the animal world the answer is yes.

In the human world, I don't know, I don't really care. It's all semantics.

The gun isn't alpha because we live in a society that provides law and order.

Otherwise, you'd be 100% right: The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Alpha is a distinction that only makes sense in a world where we cannot realistically use force to get what we want.

i'm enjoying this discussion, so i'll continue...

Yes of course, in my hypothetical situation, I would probably end up in prison. Like you said, "Law and Order".

But, how is law and order maintained?

Again, i think the answer is guns. If the police didn't have guns how would anybody respect them?

If america didn't have a strong military, would anybody respect them?

The ones with the most firepower, make the rules.

Isn't that why the US pays 3 dollars a gallon for gas while Europe pays 6 dollars a gallon. We control the oil fields, because we have the superior weapons.

Isn't that why the US has dominated the last century? Military force. Weaponry.

Animals kill for food and access to females. Humans kill for money, oil, land, natural resources, and religion.

The alpha controls the resources. By any mean necessary. If a lion had an AK-47, I bet he would be the king of the jungle.

I know this is all hypothetical and the average guy reading this can't just go out and kill some one and take their resources. My point is that the definition of alpha is - the one that controls the resources-. It has nothing to do with being good looking, being muscular, or having Game.

Its just about gaining control.

That wacko dictator in North Korea has billions of dollars and he fucks thousands of girls. He gets all the best girls in the country. And he is an ugly, 5 foot 2, 125 pound dork. But, if you fuck with him he will kill you.

Thats real alpha, in the animal sense...And he is man with no Game!

[Blackhawk]

>Isn't that why the US pays 3 dollars a gallon for gas while Europe pays 6
>dollars a gallon. We control the oil fields, because we have the superior
>weapons.

Not really. It's because European governments are taxing it to death. When you buy a liter of gasoline in France, 70% of what you're paying is taxes, and only 30% is for actual fuel that you put in your tank.

By contrast, the US taxes gasoline at 16%.

http://goeurope.about.com/od/transportat...prices.htm

[Giovonny]

(09-08-2011 06:19 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

There's also a whole social class thing here.

Lower class people own each other. Their relationships are about what people owe you and what you owe them: A place to sleep, a meal, babysitting, hand me downs.

Middle class people have money. They keep it in a bank. They can move anywhere they like, and still draw money out of the ATM, use credit cards, etc. where ever they move.

Lower class people are very immobile. For a lower class person the idea of moving and leaving behind all the people who owe them is like losing a bank account would be to a middle class person. The lower class, particular the inter-generational poverty class, will remain clinging to a bad situation rather than walk away, because that's the currency of their lives.

That's why whores stay with pimps. It has nothing to do with being alpha, and everything to do with being lower class.

Most of Ruby K Payne's work is about these differences: http://www.amazon.com/Ruby-K.-Payne/e/B001JOWHRK
"A Framework for Understanding Poverty" is the most widely read.

When you start talking about owning women, recognize you're descending down the social ladder.

And ownership is a package deal: Just like owning any other pet, there's a whole web of responsibility, social contract and commitments that you're getting yourself into, much of which you may be unaware of yet. Many men here have looked at this before, and decided its a sucky deal.

This is a very interesting post! I can't say I agree with all of it but I was thinking alot of the same things.

Not all pimps have Game. Many of them rule through violence.

Its just like saying a slave master has Game because he can control a female slave, of course she obeys him, if she doesn't, she will get beaten, tortured, and raped. Thats not Game, thats gorilla pimping.

If I knocked my girls teeth out and burned her with cigarettes, I would have more control over her too. Especially, if she was a drugged addicted runaway who was raped by her uncle at age 9.

Obviously, we can learn a few things from pimps, namely, target selection, dressing with flair, swag, confidence, use of languane and delivery, and belief in self.

But, the image of the good looking, well dressed, smooth talking pimp is mostly a Hollywood creation.

Most these guys are hardened street cats trying to make a living the only way they know how.

My dad used to have a few hoes. It didnt look very appealing. Staying up all night, trying not to go to jail, low lives everywhere.

Its like being a stay at home husband were your wife works nights as a prostitute. Thats really what it is. You are their man. You have to house them, feed them, clothe them, support them.

Its like a marriage, to a hooker.

Some of these guys are respectable, but most of them are low lives. They prey on the weakest people in society. Vulnerable little girls who have been abused and have no one to protect them.

Alot of them fall in love with their hoes. Alot of them split the money 50/50 or whatever. Its a real relationship between a man and woman.

Both my dads hoes were raped by their father as kids. One died of Aids, the other is nasty, drugged out hoe now. They were both beautiful in there 20's.

(09-09-2011 12:37 AM)ersatz Wrote:  

emotional dependency game is fucking draining and time consuming,

I agree. Pimping can be worse then marriage.

(09-09-2011 12:37 AM)ersatz Wrote:  

It's also fucking evil.

I don't know if its evil but its definitely not a very nice thing to do.

Pimping get glorified by the media but its really some low down grimey shit.

Also, I realize that some girls do want to be hookers. Its a choice they make. Some are just born hoes.

If you want to go further down the "rabbit hole" of Game. Women can be beaten into submission.

All this alpha domination shit can lead to the Dark Side of the Game.

Pimps use violence because it works. Girls like to be dominated. There is a fine line between Gaming and exploiting.

Its like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader shit.

[Moma]

(09-09-2011 01:12 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

>Isn't that why the US pays 3 dollars a gallon for gas while Europe pays 6
>dollars a gallon. We control the oil fields, because we have the superior
>weapons.

Not really. It's because European governments are taxing it to death. When you buy a liter of gasoline in France, 70% of what you're paying is taxes, and only 30% is for actual fuel that you put in your tank.

By contrast, the US taxes gasoline at 16%.

http://goeurope.about.com/od/transportat...prices.htm

But why are the European governments taxing it to death as opposed to the American government?

[ea303]

Europeans are smarter.

They realize its a scarce resource and want to discourage a driving culture.

[Moma]

(09-09-2011 02:34 PM)ea303 Wrote:  

Europeans are smarter.

They realize its a scarce resource and want to discourage a driving culture.

North America is massive. It doesn't make sense not to drive in North America, people look at you as if you are retarded if you take the bus in some parts of North America.
Some cities in America are literally not designed for public transit so driving is a MUST in many US parts.

In Europe, I know guys in their deep thirties who don't know shyt and don't need to know jack diddly about moving an automobile.

[ea303]

Moma I dont want to hijack the thread but we are basically running out of easy to find oil. Which is why the price has been spiking over the last 10 years. China and India are coming online and they want to live like we do in the west except they are 2 billion people. Something will have to give. Perhaps they are making more oil, but its a very slow process.

Some argue that we should tax oil more, which would put a floor under the price. This would allow alternatives to oil to be developed (its hard to come up with an alternative when the oil price moves between $50 and $100). Few solutions can compete with $50 oil. Europeans tax oil like we tax cigarettes. Its a sin tax to discourage the use of the product and to raise revenues. We should tax gasoline a bit more, to at the very least repair our roads and bridges. Many complain about the subsidies to rail, but dont even grasp that car use in the US is highly subsidized.....

[Gmac]

(09-09-2011 02:34 PM)ea303 Wrote:  

Europeans are smarter.

They realize its a scarce resource and want to discourage a driving culture.