[Cr33pin]

(04-16-2017 11:31 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

You keep bringing me back to a subject that I am good looking. Thank you. But seems that in this situation you are holding it against me. I honestly see no point in it. Few years ago, I was in an LTR, far from my best shape, with glasses, long hair in a ponytail and terrible style. I was showing my pics to my roomie Cr33pin few days ago and he was impressed with a transformation.

I made a lasic surgery to get rid of my glasses, I improved my fitness significantly, lost 8 kilos, cut my hair and totally changed my style. I upped my photo game as well. What stops you from doing the same. There is more you can improve if you are willing to. Rest are excuses. I know you can not grow taller but you can't see your heights on Instagram.

I can verify this.... Vinny showed me a photo of him from a few years back with a flower in his hair looking like a tubby Steven Sega with down syndrome, I wanted to get a copy of it for blackmail purposes. The Vinny I know and love now resembles the old Vinny in now in noway shape or form. He has improved upon every aspect of his life physically and mentally. Now he is opening an closing hot girls who are with their families like its nothing.

As for as the whole Instagram debacle.... nothing has changed for my views on Instagram and social media in general. However I see the genius in Vinnys method and I see it work first hand in real time almost daily when we go out gaming. I'm giving the Instagram thing a shot but as many have mentioned I'm only using it as a tool in my tool belt, not my only means of meeting respectable young ladies.

[Vinny]

(04-17-2017 11:06 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I can verify this.... Vinny showed me a photo of him from a few years back with a flower in his hair looking like a tubby Steven Sega with down syndrome.

Healing the down syndrome was the hardest part

[pancakemouse]

(04-16-2017 08:26 PM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

being overly status conscious

You realize that women are attracted to status more than anything else? Instagram offers you a way to fake your status. It's not foolproof, but you'll do better with it than without it.

[Putin Closes]

I tried an IG "ping" technique and got one warm bite and thats it. Most of the messages never even got read... I guess trick is to get the girl to follow back first then message?

[Vinny]

(04-17-2017 08:25 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

I tried an IG "ping" technique and got one warm bite and thats it. Most of the messages never even got read... I guess trick is to get the girl to follow back first then message?

I talk exactly about how to do it in my last post.

Yea the trick is for her to notice you and follow you back. That is why you have to get seen first, liking few pics, and following her is a good way to do it.

Make sure your thumbnail and IG name are appealing so that they draw her attention.

[Sleek2b]

Ok... you know what? fuck it.
After looking at pictures of girls posing with their coffea, i am like "why? What is the point?"
I have better things to do than creating a glorified marketing page of myself.
It actually makes me feel to limit even more my social media. It just looks like some kind of digital fast food for insecure egos.
From that moment on, i will consider women using IG heavily just as narcistic people not worth my time, the same as cutting yourself from toxic people.
It is just a tool to make yourself the mindless sheep following stupid trends and brands. Would you like to date those kind of people? Not me. If they lack good judgement there then they will not be able to appreciate your true self anyway.
My opinion might offend some of you, if you have a different view I will be glad to hear it.

[Naughty By Nature]

(04-09-2017 11:50 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

I disagree.

Im 27. No Instagram, no snap chat. Just a FB for keeping up with real friends and family. I don't friend women on Facebook.

You can do just fine without that shit. You just have to make a strong impression in person, follow up with some texts, meet up, go to dinner, go home and bang.

Focus on yourself, not social media like every other dude.

What I've noticed on this forum is that dudes who don't approach women will convince themselves that social media and online dating are the secret sauce to further rationalize not approaching women. It's a vicious negative feedback loop.

[kosko]

All the IG deniers on here must of been the same types of dudes who swore off cell phones when they started picking steam.

Same types of dudes swearing off IG will end up being like the current boring dudes who still listen to CDs (yes lots of goofy dudes still do), or boring like the dudes who when they tell a girl to come over to watch a movie they pop in DVD versus putting on Netflix, or finding shit on their laptop/TV. I can bet my dollar that many men talked the same way about emerging technologies and the subsequently got buried when things got going.


"Just collect the number on paper and call her landline, she will prefer always to follow up at home where she is comfy"

People have to accept that the new reality is that you will need some type of online persona/brand going into the future. This isn't going to be negotiable. You either will have some type of online/social branding, or you will not. The only ones who can get away with NOT having one are those with a frame that is very strong and also some sort of elusive or illicit demeanor about them (drug deals, secret type of jobs, etc). Then you clan play it off, but for average IT Joe from Seattle he is going to need some type of online branding just to get him into the arena to run game.

Don't get me wrong here, as I am in the camp that IG is a swampit of narcissism and even myself I have tried to fight it off. But I know realized I can;t win this battle and I will have to approach IG in a very methodical way to ensure I can establish my own personal brand. I think people can hold off on things that are purely consumption based. For example, Netflix. If you don't watch many movies or TV you can live life without it. Nobody will really fault you if you truly don't take in that sort of stuff. Starbucks is another, just as Spotify. Just have conversational knowledge of them, but those are all products you consume. ID is a platform in which people communicate, you may not like it, but more and more people choose it as a medium and platform to communicate with each other and communication is not something that is negotiable. You either learn the language or you get left out of the conversation.


If you don't adapt, young girls will just think you are boring and old fashioned.... What else would they think?

Look at how girls have changed the game. Example, actually talking on the phone to girls. Girls rarely even talk on the phone anymore. I can't remember the last time I talked on the phone with a girl I have fucked. I literally just send texts, and the only time we talk is to confirm plans, or to find each other after getting out of an uber for a date. Trust me, I think it is weird as hel, I miss the days of getting your self amped up to make that first phone call to a girl and then spending like an hour+ just talking and shooting the shit. I always gained more traction for a very good phone call then anything else. Me having that good phone call made the next phase of my game that much easier but that now is all lost.


I admit, that I have not gotten used to it still, but you know what is even more strange? When men call women period, (if you are young girl), even worse if the dude leaves a voice message (apparently young girls think this is weird as hell and needy). Majority of girls simply won't pick up on you. They see you are calling but women now are so socially strange and adjusted they just don't want to talk and prefer the curation and shield of messages she can send. For the young dudes, yes it used to be like that, and for the older dudes... don't deny the truth of how it used to be versus now, this is all the same with the shifts going on with IG.

So many dudes on here saying "just send a text" when even what I mention above is becoming old school Girls don't even text much any more. Young girls "text message" their mom and dad, maybe their best home girls, but EverReady else they are messaging via some type of app (pick one" FB messenger, whatsapp, Snapchat, IG DMs, etc). Very few actually "text" in the traditional sense and will typically reply to app messages first as they are constantly in them more.

IG is becoming like how HS was. Intense social proof 24/4 but in a highly curated and controllable way. A girl will scan your IG and know within 2 mins if you are wack or cool. Not having one just means she won't even consider you "because in 2017 who does not have an IG?'' she will say to her self.

The deniers will get left behind. Trust me on this. I am not that old, but old enough. I was one of the first few from my generation who had a cell phone. Back then at the start, nobody used it and everybody thought I was strange for having one (I was quite young). I knew I was cool though because I seen all the rich guys with nice cars have them so I wanted to emulate that. When they started picking up steam everybody was coming for me for cheap phones and I had a little side hustle going on for a while selling bootleg and jacked phones.

So adapt or die. Unless of course you like older women, and you just trying to settle because you don't want to put in the work now to get ahead alter on. Only used up older women 5 years from now will be done or not on IG (not hot enough anymore to get the same type of likes - think of how older bitches on FB look so sad with like 10 friends and shitty photos, that is what I am getting at). Then you both can relate on how wack it is while men who did adapt are still getting with hot and fresh young girls.

If you don't believe me go and try it real old school with a North American broad. Not old school where you look avant grade and out there (using a pager and Star Tec) I mean old school like you are dated as hell. Go try picking up girls with only these tools:

Pen + Paper
"Landline" phone (you can use a VOIP, but it has to remain at home)

Go try that and see how many girls you can swoop under the age of 25.

Go try and report back.

When you get 0 bangs, and 0 dates, then you will understand what I am trying to get at.

Adapt or die.

[Gmac]

I don't touch IG. Now twitter on the other hand...

[Vinny]

(04-19-2017 04:44 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

What I've noticed on this forum is that dudes who don't approach women will convince themselves that social media and online dating are the secret sauce to further rationalize not approaching women. It's a vicious negative feedback loop.

I use IG extensively. Indeed I started IG with a sole purpose to use it for dating and I have never had it before that.

Amount of my usage of IG as an online dating tool compared to a daygame closing tool (in terms of bangs) is 1 to 10.

IG is indeed not a magic pill nor a secret sauce, but an efficient and modern tool which if used right will further your results with dating.

You still have to have value to convey it via social media. You still have to approach in order to collect Instagrams.

[Vinny]

(04-19-2017 07:05 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I don't touch IG. Now twitter on the other hand...

I am curious to hear more about using Twitter with a purpose of gaming girls, or do you mean personal usage?

[Ouroboros]

(04-18-2017 10:48 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

Ok... you know what? fuck it.
After looking at pictures of girls posing with their coffea, i am like "why? What is the point?"
I have better things to do than creating a glorified marketing page of myself.
It actually makes me feel to limit even more my social media. It just looks like some kind of digital fast food for insecure egos.
From that moment on, i will consider women using IG heavily just as narcistic people not worth my time, the same as cutting yourself from toxic people.
It is just a tool to make yourself the mindless sheep following stupid trends and brands. Would you like to date those kind of people? Not me. If they lack good judgement there then they will not be able to appreciate your true self anyway.
My opinion might offend some of you, if you have a different view I will be glad to hear it.

The issue is you could use this as an excuse to not engage with attractive young women at all. The hot girls in the club or on Instagram are undeniably narcissistic, good luck finding a young attractive female who isn't. A lifetime of being the object of sycophantic male thirst will engender this.

And pretty much all women want some kind of social validation, whether this is through 'likes' on facebook or Instagram, or attention from guys at clubs/parties. Likewise many of them pretty much are sheep when it comes to trends/brands, hence the disproportionate female interest in fashion and contribution to consumerism (how many guys list 'shopping' as one of their hobbies compared to girls?).

Instagram is just the latest manifestation of this, it's not exactly anything new. You can't blame technology for the underlying sociobiological cause, or escape the implications of this if you want to pursue game.

[pancakemouse]

(04-19-2017 06:55 PM)kosko Wrote:  

THE GODDAMN TRUTH

Post of the fucking year.

[memcpy]

This thread is a big wake up call for me...

Cause here's the reality based off my experience:

A hot girl has 3-20 guys on here phone messaging her. (i peeked)
A hot girl has 3-20 guys on facebook messaging her
A hot girl has 3-?? guys on instagram messaging her
A hot girl has 1-?? guys emailing her
A hot girl has 1-3 guys in her WORK corporate email messaging her.

She's got the body builder, the rich guy, the thug, the fuck buddy, the one night stand, and all those that didn't make the cut in there.

Each year this number increases, as she adds more and more people. By the time she's 30 she's got a blackbook that would put most players on this forum to shame.

But her looks are fading. Some hot girls age well and are late bloomers.

A hot girl at minimum has a phone/email/facebook with a minimum of 1-3 guys on call.

She has options. As a guy do you ? Is your phone lighting up right now w texts? Hers is. Even if she's in a relationship. Within 24 hours of a breakup she has a blackbook and a fuck buddy on call, do you ?

Most men don't. They have no options after a breakup. Which is why its so hard for them to get over it and start again. Me included fall into this sometimes.

Instagram and brand building is the way of the future whether we like it or not.

Talking to girls + Instagram (or something) is the way of the future. Or you can be jacked and ripped or some kind of edge or background.

Cold approach is fine. It is a numbers game. But once you stop the pipeline goes cold. Thats just the reality. I'm always approaching. It's my default state. If it's not yours yet, then get there.

Once we get older, guys will probably have to fall back on SOMETHING they've built up (business, social media, brand, or lifestyle).

Instagram seems like a good way to build something. Low investment. Little time. All you need is a camera.

have multiple streams. Be like that hot girl and have your phone be lit up. Better to max out everything if possible. This thread was a wake up call.

[goonies]

For those of you successful using IG for game, how exactly do you target your market?

[The Beast1]

I don't doubt IG's success, but I hate having to "build" followers.

How does one buy them? Honestly, buying some 44k followers would be enough to fool pretty much every chick on IG.

I think it would be hilarious to buy a ton of followers and post inane stuff only men would find interesting like cars, video games, and puns.

[goonies]

^^^it all has to come together nicely i.e. lots of followers must be accompanied by lots of engagement (likes, comments) and really solid pictures. It's gonna look real suspicious with tons of likes on a shitty photo lol

[The Beast1]

Gotcha, so I guess the next question is can you buy engagements?

[Batman_]

I don't use any social media and as far as I can tell this hasn't really had any effect on my success with women. But even if they did help, I refuse to use them because I think they're toxic and a total waste of time. The increasing use of social media in our society is contributing to the epidemic of narcissism, confirmation bias, poor attention span, and many other psychological problems. It's not worth it imo.

[Kieran]

I agree that IG and snap can be great tools but they're certainly not necessary. I have no social media at all now after deleting my facebook and I'm doing fine. Moving to girls on social media just seems long to me, I couldn't be arsed with all that.

[ksbms]

No social media for me, log into Facebook once a week. Fewer distractions, more time to get deep work done. I can assure you no billionaire thinks how to get followers to impress girls. It's girls trying to impress him. But he first got deep work done. Prioritize accordingly.

[pancakemouse]

(11-11-2017 09:33 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

No social media for me, log into Facebook once a week. Fewer distractions, more time to get deep work done. I can assure you no billionaire thinks how to get followers to impress girls. It's girls trying to impress him. But he first got deep work done. Prioritize accordingly.

Terrible argument. No one on this forum is going to become a billionaire, so investing a little bit of time into faking social status goes a long way.

(11-10-2017 10:37 AM)goonies Wrote:  

For those of you successful using IG for game, how exactly do you target your market?

Only real way to do it is to follow girls that link their Instagrams to online dating apps. Then you know they're single and available.

[speculator]

(11-10-2017 08:44 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Gotcha, so I guess the next question is can you buy engagements?

You can buy anything you want, likes, followers, views, upvotes, shares, retweets, etc. Everything is fake nowadays.

[Putin Closes]

Pretty much all 7+ in Asia have IG and I'd had a decent amount of 7+ matches agree to hang out after they saw my profile and went to my IG. This is 2017 fellas, adapt or die.

[loremipsum]

What a load of nonsense. If you dont get the girl it is not because you didnt have an Instagram account.
Next thing guys will be telling how you need to dress like a liberal bearded numale because, you know, its 2017.