[DTA]

I've been thinking about this for many years now. It's sort of crystallized in my brain the past few months that I'm able to verbalize it accurately.

Basically, I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again.

I've gotten into 'relationships' with women. I usually get bored within the first few dates and let it fizzle out. This is mainly because I often have zero interest in them as people and just want to nut. I honestly cannot help lose interest in these girls. It just goes once I've consummated.

A lot of this behavior is extremely conducive to meeting women, since I'm naturally aloof, and perpetually disinterested. I do meet a fair share of women, and the issue is that I feel like I've lost quite a few good ones because I cannot train my brain to become interested. As I'm getting older (I'm 26), I'm starting to feel pangs of loneliness and jealousy towards those who are actually able to enter into relationships and have a nurturing person with them. Yet every time I get into a situation where I can build a potential relationship, I get unrelentingly bored and restless and lose interest.

I'm sure it's a grass is greener type of situation. Anyone else feeling this way? This is why traveling like Roosh and other guys here is so appealing. It sort of calms the restless nomad lurking within my psyche.

[Vitriol]

(07-16-2011 08:40 AM)DTA Wrote:  

Basically, I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again.

This is actually fairly common. Most of us here are like this to a certain degree, and you'd find more of it in society as a whole if men weren't raised to believe they need to treat women like princesses.

The whole idea that men get anything beneficial out of relationships aside from consistent fucking is a myth.

[Roosh]

Why do you feel the need to label your behavior?

Do what you want. As long as you don't get arrested, get AIDS, or cause unreasonable harm in other individuals, who gives a fuck whether you are or not.

[thegmanifesto]

"I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again."

This is what they invented hookers for 1,000,000 years ago.

Seems like it could be a perfect fit for you.

My advice:

Stack some chips and bang a high end call girl every night.

[spinaroonie]

(07-16-2011 09:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again."

This is what they invented hookers for 1,000,000 years ago.

Seems like it could be a perfect fit for you.

My advice:

Stack some chips and bang a high end call girl every night.

You neglect the affection and validation men need and get from smashing unpaid pussy.

[Roosh]

Looks like spinaroonie is an anti-game hater... I just browsed through some of his most recent posts.

May I suggest you go on puahate instead? I'm sure you already have an account there.

Edit: You sure do!

http://www.puahate.com/search.php?searchid=243067

Wow a dozen threads hating on Jeremy Soul. Do you have a man crush on him?

It seems like you spend most of your time either bashing game (how it rarely works) or watching in-field videos. I don't think you're a good fit for my forum.

[Samseau]

Spinaroonie has written at least 3 threads that I know of questioning the effectiveness of game, or claiming how the night scene is dead, or how guys can't get laid in college... it is quite comical. CJ has been making fun of him for this for months.

Is it worth banning someone for being pathetic? Seems kinda harsh to me.

Quote:

You neglect the affection and validation men need and get from smashing unpaid pussy.

I do agree with this though. Smashing hookers gives a sense of power, smashing civilians makes you feel validated.

[thecrazyfool]

The fact that you're asking "Am I a sociopath?" means it's very likely that you're not. I can go into greater detail but only if you want to hear it. But the short answer is "no."

[Lusty_Argonian]

Sociopaths =/= You, but who knows really?

Maybe your getting "burnt out" lots of older guys(not your age) feel this way about hitting on girls day in and day out.

Do you have lots of money/cash?

[thegmanifesto]

(07-16-2011 10:05 AM)spinaroonie Wrote:  

(07-16-2011 09:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again."

This is what they invented hookers for 1,000,000 years ago.

Seems like it could be a perfect fit for you.

My advice:

Stack some chips and bang a high end call girl every night.

You neglect the affection and validation men need and get from smashing unpaid pussy.

Read his post.

He doesn't seem to care about that detail.

[Tuthmosis]

A couple of things:

(07-16-2011 10:37 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Spinaroonie has written at least 3 threads that I know of questioning the effectiveness of game, or claiming how the night scene is dead, or how guys can't get laid in college... it is quite comical. CJ has been making fun of him for this for months.

1. I'm starting to think that the type of post Spinaroonie has become known for ("night game is dead," "you can't get laid in college") is a common form of trolling. I wonder if it's worthwhile to compile a sticky post of bannable offenses or unacceptable forms of trolling. Since no one seems to read guidelines, maybe they'll read a quick list of the stuff that will get them booted-the-fuck-out. Just another unsolicited idea.

2. I don't think the OP's attitude rises to sociopathy, but I do think this lifestyle has a tendency to embitter us toward women, even humanity. I think this is a natural result of breaking down something to its component parts to such an extent that it demystifies it entirely. We've become so observant and analytical toward human nature that we simply know too much. Guys that are seriously into game see more than 95 percent of people out there. In learning to manipulate things toward our purposes, we see the ugly underbelly of people and it disgusts us. It's like cats that come back to "normal" society after years of combat. They're never the same.

Is there a way to temper the process so we don't end up angry and jaded old men pounding young girls with a blank stare on our face and no feeling on our dicks? I'm not so sure anymore. I used to think that pulling out of the game for a little while, with a young, higher-quality girl could do it, but that could have the opposite effect too.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

May I quote one person who wrote a book on sociopaths?

"If you're worried that you're a sociopath and want to buy the book to check, then you're probably not one."

[iknowexactly]

(07-16-2011 01:44 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

May I quote one person who wrote a book on sociopaths?

"If you're worried that you're a sociopath and want to buy the book to check, then you're probably not one."

I've published research on sociopathy and am actually a pretty good authority on it. The classical definition comes from a book by a guy names Cleckly called "The Mask of Sanity." He was trying to describe a class of people who seemed intact psychologically in terms of reality contact, but caused all sorts of trouble as well as wrecking their own lives because they didn't give a shit who they hurt with their thrill-seeking, and couldn't learn from punishment.

Like the above poster mentioned, if you're worried about it, you're probably not one, because a frequent feature of sociopathy is what's called the "victim stance."

An example might be when a jailed drunk driver had killed a bicyclist on a dark road going 80 in a 45, he thinks it's the bicyclist's fault because people shouldn't ride bikes at night, and therefore he's in jail because of that stupid bicyclist.
His own misbehavior is minimized and excused.

If someone's systematically lying to get chicks, about being into long term relationships when they're not, I'd say that's antisocial behavior and they might want to consider how they're affecting the world. "They're stupid for believing me."

If they're just assuming you might be a good candidate to pay for their babies and you don't disabuse them of that idea, that's much more justifiable. Then it's their gamble.

True psychopaths/sociopaths attract concern because of the large amounts of damage they do

The two classical elements are:

1) Seeking thrills
2) True ingrained indifference to any harm caused by their thrill seeking.

An example: Repeatedly driving drunk after DUIs ( and going excessively fast while doing it).

I dealt with guys who caught murder raps doing that when I worked in prison. They pretty much thought they were being treated unfairly although little jimmy and sally and their parents were dead because he drunk drove around insanely fast or near passing out when he was drunk.

I should mention these weren't guys who made one mistake and drove drunk. They already had DUI's, but thought they were smart, and thought people should fuck off and not tell them what to do.

So they went out and did it some more, and killed somebody. These were successful tradesmen, carpenters etc, they just could not grasp you can't do anything you want when it endangers the lives of others. ( Unless you're a politician starting wars.)

A little different than simply picking up chicks.

If you feel your emotions are deadened-- and you don't like it, you could be depressed. But you may just be a naturally detached person, there's all kinds of personalities in the world.

[Samseau]

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1. I'm starting to think that the type of post Spinaroonie has become known for ("night game is dead," "you can't get laid in college") is a common form of trolling. I wonder if it's worthwhile to compile a sticky post of bannable offenses or unacceptable forms of trolling. Since no one seems to read guidelines, maybe they'll read a quick list of the stuff that will get them booted-the-fuck-out. Just another unsolicited idea.

I don't like the idea of outright banning people for annoying offenses, perhaps a temp one-week ban is more appropriate.

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2. I don't think the OP's attitude rises to sociopathy, but I do think this lifestyle has a tendency to embitter us toward women, even humanity. I think this is a natural result of breaking down something to its component parts to such an extent that it demystifies it entirely. We've become so observant and analytical toward human nature that we simply know too much. Guys that are seriously into game see more than 95 percent of people out there. In learning to manipulate things toward our purposes, we see the ugly underbelly of people and it disgusts us. It's like cats that come back to "normal" society after years of combat. They're never the same.

Is there a way to temper the process so we don't end up angry and jaded old men pounding young girls with a blank stare on our face and no feeling on our dicks? I'm not so sure anymore. I used to think that pulling out of the game for a little while, with a young, higher-quality girl could do it, but that could have the opposite effect too.

These questions are the ones asked in Hydro's "How not to become a misogynist" thread.

And there are no easy answers. Is it true that once you enter the game you'll never want to leave?

Let's put this in feminist terms. Being able to always get a new woman is "empowering". There's so much freedom and control over your life when no one girl can take sex away from you. I guess you'd really have to be in love with a girl to leave the game.

[Nonpareil]

The way I see it, game, or at least my game that I use to get laid, is an adaptation to the brutal realization that is this; a massive majority of women in North America aren't useful for anything more than fucking and chucking.

That's not to say that if I met a good one that I'd give her the pump and dump and move onto a next like that, but at the same time, having tight game, and having options, with every new girl I bang, the idea of that gets harder and harder for me to process, so any girl I would consider seriously dating is on very thin ice from jump street.

Of course, the more women you fuck, the higher your standards; when I was green, any 'nice cute girl who loves to fuck' was LTR material, but now after six years in game and reaping the results, it's 'A nice cute girl who can cook, is sweet, knows when to keep her mouth shut, doesn't drink excessively, stays in shape, is preferably bisexual and loves to fuck'. All this because now, as soon as a girl commits a huge red-flag offense, I know I can walk because the next girl is just around the corner or a phone call away.

There's a sex difference here too; remember that the whole institute of 'game' is still a fairly underground phenomenon; I'd say maybe 10% of the male population practices it and an even smaller fraction benefits from it. You know what the difference between a low-value man and a low-value woman is? Low-value men suffer from learned helplessness and instead of working to improve, they spend their days playing video games and feeling sorry for themselves, not getting laid and thus indirectly contributing to the '20% of men fuck 80% of women' statistic. Low-value women fail to see what exactly distinguishes high-value hotties from themselves, themselves suffering from inflated self-esteem.

In fact, in one of life's more delicious ironies, the hotter the girl, the generally lower her self-esteem is. I've fucked turtles that thought they were princesses and model-caliber girls who thought they were worthless; the healthiest gazelle is the easiest to take down.


As for Spinaroonie, It's not my place but I'm also against banning people who object to game. We're gonna ban people who disagree with us? I can understand doing something hen it gets a bit much (DrWho), but if it's just someone who disagrees with game, well that's outright Soviet.

[Roosh]

Tuth: Here's a thread idea for you... the X types of Rooshvforum trolls.

[Roosh]

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We're gonna ban people who disagree with us?

No, but this is a game forum for men who already believe in the basic tenets of game. Someone who doesn't will disrupt the conversations and simply take away value, not add.

Imagine this was a "earth is round" forum and we let "earth is flat" people come here and disrupt things. We already know the earth is round, we don't want to waste our time convincing the flat earthers. Let them go argue elsewhere.

[Tuthmosis]

(07-17-2011 06:22 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tuth: Here's a thread idea for you... the X types of Rooshvforum trolls.

It's not a bad idea. I may get it started with a few of the more common ones and have the rest of the fellas drop the rest as needed.

[iknowexactly]

(07-17-2011 06:24 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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We're gonna ban people who disagree with us?

No, but this is a game forum for men who already believe in the basic tenets of game.

Not to jump on you, but that screams for a definition of what are the basic tenets...here's a try

I view it as the theory and practice of detecting/utilizing external and internal elements of communication and female behavior to use our limited time to mate with our preferred highest value women available.

I want to impregnate the highest value women I can get outside of feminist regime countries (FRC, haha, I like that), most younger guys here probably want to avoid the impregnation bit.

Some guys here could nail runway models in NYC, for some trying to do that could actually be counterproductive because there'd be too much punishment relative to amount learned, not to mention the financial drain of just getting and living there.

This leads to which are the FRC's -- I'd guess the US leads the way with it's confiscatory, omnipresent and omnipotent family court/child support industry.

[Nonpareil]

(07-17-2011 02:59 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-17-2011 06:22 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tuth: Here's a thread idea for you... the X types of Rooshvforum trolls.

It's not a bad idea. I may get it started with a few of the more common ones and have the rest of the fellas drop the rest as needed.

My favorite?

The 'game doesn't work because it didn't work for me!' troll. Some guys need more than game to be saved, or they try too hard with it.

Close second is the 'game is fake, just be yourself.' troll. The reason we learn game is because chances are, 'yourself' wasn't getting laid.

(07-17-2011 04:25 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-17-2011 06:24 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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We're gonna ban people who disagree with us?

No, but this is a game forum for men who already believe in the basic tenets of game.

Not to jump on you, but that screams for a definition of what are the basic tenets...here's a try

I view it as the theory and practice of detecting/utilizing external and internal elements of communication and female behavior to use our limited time to mate with our preferred highest value women available.

I want to impregnate the highest value women I can get outside of feminist regime countries (FRC, haha, I like that), most younger guys here probably want to avoid the impregnation bit.

Some guys here could nail runway models in NYC, for some trying to do that could actually be counterproductive because there'd be too much punishment relative to amount learned, not to mention the financial drain of just getting and living there.

This leads to which are the FRC's -- I'd guess the US leads the way with it's confiscatory, omnipresent and omnipotent family court/child support industry.

In my mind, the basic tenets of game are confidence, masculinity, approaching, style, humor and dominance.

[Tuthmosis]

Alright guys, I couldn't resist and was chilling at the computer for a while anyway.

Types of RooshVForum Trolls

[Qtip]

I always felt the same way, your still young, I think I'm slowly starting to grow out of it myself. I'm 29 now and for the first time ever I don't hate the idea of having a girl friend. I always just wrote it off as being immature. I am definitely not a sociopath but I understand exactly what you mean by kinda feeling that way. I'm not a compassionate person and too often I find humor in other peoples misfortune except in extreme tragedy's where I do feel genuine sadness.

One of the problems I have stemming from the lack of feelings for women similar to the ones you illustrated is it's hard to motivate myself to put in the work I need to, to get laid. I'll meet a girl that is into to me and I want to bang yet I don't follow up because I don't want to deal with the dating ritual and the stuff surrounding getting laid. Going out and being bored trying to act like I care what she is saying. Then heaven forbid I don't split it that night, and I have to go out with her again.

Funny enough as Thegmanifesto advised you, I prefer hookers. Luckily I live close to TJ so it's cheap and easy.

[Giovonny]

I love the troll catching and I really love the memes that you guys come up with..

But, on a more serious note,

There is something that I don't understand here..

(07-16-2011 01:41 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Guys that are seriously into game see more than 95 percent of people out there. In learning to manipulate things toward our purposes, we see the ugly underbelly of people and it disgusts us.

We learn human nature and we learn how to take advantage of it. This is what successful men do. Why is it ugly and disgusting???

We see reality. We see the truth. We have learned how to makes pussies wet! Women appreciate us.

I think it is a beautiful thing.

What disgusts me is guys who never learn a womans true nature, keep woman on a pedestal, and live their whole lives as beta chumps. That, to me, is ugly and disgusting.

(07-16-2011 01:41 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Is there a way to temper the process so we don't end up angry and jaded old men pounding young girls with a blank stare on our face and no feeling on our dicks?

"angry and jaded" ???

This is what I don't understand.

Getting laid had never made me feel "angry and jaded".

When I am banging young girls, I am happy and fulfilled.

Being successful with women INCREASES my happiness.

I think it works the opposite direction. The guys who get "angry and jaded" are the guys who ARE NOT banging young girls.

If I am still banging young girls when I am old, I think I will be one happy old man!

I don't hate women because they are sexual creatures. We are all sexual creatures. Why should this cause any anger???

Tut,

I respect your opinion and I am just curious as to why you feel this way. I hear alot of players talk like this and I never understand it. Please explain. Thanks.

[Tuthmosis]

(07-18-2011 02:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

We learn human nature and we learn how to take advantage of it. This is what successful men do. Why is it ugly and disgusting???

....

"angry and jaded" ???

This is what I don't understand.

Getting laid had never made me feel "angry and jaded".

When I am banging young girls, I am happy and fulfilled.

Being successful with women INCREASES my happiness.

@Gio, these are definitely fair questions, for which there are no simple answers. I was merely taking a stab at explaining the fairly common phenomenon the OP was describing--and we've both observed--of players becoming increasingly bored with women, developing growing disinterest in them for anything apart from mechanical sex, and becoming disillusioned with and alienated from both genders (i.e., feelings of "loneliness" and "restlessness").

While I agree with you that I generally feel happy and fulfilled with our lifestyle (chasing and gaming new women), which I wouldn't trade for another, I do think that success and experience with lots of women can breed--over time--a cynical, disappointed perspective as we realize how similar and predictable women are; recognize how slutty or flaky even the sweetest girl can turn out to be; and lose respect for men that stubbornly refuse to improve themselves the way we do or, worse, make it more difficult for all of us to succeed with women with their stupidity.

Game seems to hone our powers of observation across the board, so that we view things beyond the world of women and game--world affairs, politics, education--with the astute, incisive insight that tight game develops (and indeed requires). It's in that way that game, which hinges on a profound understanding of human nature, allows us "to see too much." It's the price, I guess, we pay for the incredible rewards we reap.

This is definitely a complicated issue that I could probably write volumes about, but it seems like a cyclical thing more than anything else--something that visits us here and there. Speaking for myself: for every time I think "goddamn fucking bitches," there's a time where I grin to myself self-satisfied when a girl laughs at a line I've used dozens of times before, get an immediate text-back from a clever "re-start text," or when a chump glares at me--with that mixed look of envy and admiration--across the room, as I take a risk he would never dare to take.

[dk902]

Agree with much of what you say there Tuthmosis. Game definitely gives you a whole new perspective on women and human nature in general.

I think due to this I've ended up resenting the behavior of many of my friends and just ended up hanging out a lot less or ditching many of them. So much of their behavior that was acceptable before just isn't congruent with the lifestyle you want to lead.

Friends I would once love to hang out with I now resent if they're happy with their lot and don't want to improve themselves and are not bold enough to go after what they really want.

I'll pass hanging out with friends most of the time and just go out by myself, I have no one to cockblock me and bitch about going to venues..or telling me to 'relax' as the 'women will come to me' or that I'm a 'sleeze' or 'creep' simply because I like to approach, meet and sleep with new women all the time. Don't need that shit in my life.

I've found it's very hard to find a man with the same mentality and philosophy towards life. I think it takes a certain person willing to put in the grind, elbow grease and effort it takes to master game and want to be good with women and everything it entails.

I was explaining to my younger brother that game is a combination of things that fuse together, e.g. being humorous, interesting, charasmatic, talkative, playful, teasing, etc, etc.