[Ami5]

Oldnemesis - Elaborate on Russian chicks a bit on this part you mentioned.
I am looking forward to swooping half a dozen Russian/Ukrainian girls in next two months in this age-range.

[ManAbout]

(06-30-2011 09:08 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Most guys that continually aim for much younger GIRLS, especially the guys ages 20 to 29 who want some TEEN girl do it because they really do not want to challenged mentally. These guys rather "over-qualify" and overwhelm and later on get deeply involved with some girl who really brings NOTHING to the table. Now while you collecting flags and just banging, that is fine. The issue is when guys actually try to establish some relationship with some girl still in her teens while he is well into his 20's.

I mean you are 25, 26 or 27 and aiming for 17/18 year olds?...Really?


What possibly could a 17 year old and 28 year old bank investor talk about?

...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

Is this what those over the hill 35 year olds that you like to hang out with tell you? This is such a bitter old feminist thing to say. I really think you are on the wrong board.

There are a lot of really stupid 30+ year old women. Who could you have a more intellectual conversation with, an 18 year old that is going to Harvard and wants to study medicine or a 30 year old waitress?

Would a 30 something year old banker have more in common with a younger girl who wants get an MBA and work in investment banking? Or a 35 year old cashier at the supermarket?

And the typical club chick doesn't progress too far mentally after her teens anyway. So, I would rather be banging a young, dumb, hot club chick than a old dumb 35 year old who still thinks she is hot.

[Excelsior]

(07-04-2011 07:57 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 09:08 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Most guys that continually aim for much younger GIRLS, especially the guys ages 20 to 29 who want some TEEN girl do it because they really do not want to challenged mentally. These guys rather "over-qualify" and overwhelm and later on get deeply involved with some girl who really brings NOTHING to the table. Now while you collecting flags and just banging, that is fine. The issue is when guys actually try to establish some relationship with some girl still in her teens while he is well into his 20's.

I mean you are 25, 26 or 27 and aiming for 17/18 year olds?...Really?


What possibly could a 17 year old and 28 year old bank investor talk about?

...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

Is this what those over the hill 35 year olds that you like to hang out with tell you? This is such a bitter old feminist thing to say. I really think you are on the wrong board.

There are a lot of really stupid 30+ year old women. Who could you have a more intellectual conversation with, an 18 year old that is going to Harvard and wants to study medicine or a 30 year old waitress?

Would a 30 something year old banker have more in common with a younger girl who wants get an MBA and work in investment banking? Or a 35 year old cashier at the supermarket?

And the typical club chick doesn't progress too far mentally after her teens anyway. So, I would rather be banging a young, dumb, hot club chick than a old dumb 35 year old who still thinks she is hot.

Yeah, I have to agree with ManAbout on this one. That post up there by UrbanNerd sounded awfully reminiscent of some of the statements regularly made by older feminists about men who date down. Lots of shaming.

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guys ages 20 to 29 who want some TEEN girl do it because they really do not want to challenged mentally

How many men of any age do you honestly believe will have the ability to provide a mental challenge at the top of their list of qualities in a woman they are seeking?
I'm sure there are men who care, but to be honest, the vast majority do not. If this were the case, then mature, 30+ careerist women (lawyers, doctors, etc) would be the hottest tickets around, but they aren't. Models with far less in the way of academic credentials seem to attract many more men on average.

Since men in general clearly don't put this quality at the top of their list, UrbanNerd, what reason have you to conclude that most men who date down care?

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get deeply involved with some girl who really brings NOTHING to the table.

You honestly believe that most American women aged 20+ actually bring a lot to the table? Aside from sex, what exactly is it that they provide? I really want to hear this one.

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What possibly could a 17 year old and 28 year old bank investor talk about?

I don't think it is uncommon for many 30 year old men to complain about how difficult 25-30 year old women can be to talk to about substantive things. This problem does not seem entirely related to age-men in general just don't find it all that easy to relate to women on an intellectual level, regardless of age.

That, and there is also the fact that you are on a game site, and have seemingly forgotten how all of that works. All that is needed for a man to have a successful conversation with a woman is for him to a) have some basic inner game sorted(something that is more common with age, believe it or not) and b) hit all of her attraction triggers(which can involve a whole lot of things, including good conversation, looks, dress, venue selection, etc).

That age difference doesn't preclude any of this from working out. In fact, given the nature of female attraction, a 28 year old would probably have an easier time attracting/turning on a 17-18-19 year old than would her average same-aged teen male peer.
Finding something to talk about isn't that hard with these things in mind.

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...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

Where is my reason to care about this "challenge" you value so highly?

[Vitriol]

(07-03-2011 02:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-02-2011 08:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

What possibly could a 17 year old and 28 year old bank investor talk about?

...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

You mean you have been able to have intelligent, rational, interesting conversations with 25, 35, or 45 year old women?

Really? What country do you live in?

No matter what their age, I always feel like I'm talking to a spoiled but often endearingly trusting 5 year old, with extremely rare exceptions.
Although they may be adorable and cute, I have long sought and failed to hear an original thought from one, except
perhaps a genius like Joni Mitchell.

The one thing they seem to have some insight about is social manipulation and status.

Holding conversations with young women versus older more educated women really isn't any different. I always have to dumb it down, even when talking with professional women. The second I start talking about anything even remotely abstract that normally would be discussed with males, I totally lose them to their phone, a striking article of clothing, something that is louder, etc. Guys that think older or more educated women are somehow challenging mentally are deluding themselves.

Compare the way of group of educated females socializes in an office setting on their down time with the way a group of high school girls gossips on their lunch hour. Very little difference...

(07-04-2011 10:09 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

You honestly believe that most American women aged 20+ actually bring a lot to the table? Aside from sex, what exactly is it that they provide? I really want to hear this one.

A lot of my male friends seem to disagree with me on this one, but I am yet to hear a good response. Getting dragged to Bed, Bath, and Beyond on the weekends isn't exactly something men enjoy.

[Sonsowey]

There are smart young people. An intellectually curious college student will have much more free time to become ''interesting'' than an adult.

[iknowexactly]

(07-03-2011 06:20 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(07-03-2011 02:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

No matter what their age, I always feel like I'm talking to a spoiled but often endearingly trusting 5 year old, with extremely rare exceptions.

From my personal experience I can tell you that there is no too much difference between talking to a 4yo, 14yo and 17yo who were raised in America. While their brain indeed gets developed, their ego gets even bigger - at least 4yo will never tell you she knows everything. So your observation matches mine.

Things are very different in Russia though; there is a huge difference between 14yo and 17-18yo.

To some degree I agree with OldNemesis, when I've been in Russia I had a girlfriend who was a medical student 20 or 21. ( I was over 40 and could never have dated someone of her class in the USA) Her whole family was very educated, two MDs and mom a professor in something else.

The girl had done an interesting research on risk factors for a disease.

But, somewhat more importantly from the point of view of my own marketability, this girl and others I met with had more respect for me because of my intelligence and because I had a doctorate. In America, it's much more how tall and "cool" you are, and if you have a lot of money.

This is another reason EE/FSU is so good for women, beta provider characteristics are not looked at with contempt; so you don't have to put on the hyper-alpha pose to get women.

However, back to the idea that female dimwittedness doesn't improve with age, all you really have to do is point out that no major invention in history was created by women.

Sanitation, (Semmelweis) , Calculus ( Newton/Gauss) , the integrated circuit (?), the transistor, the telephone, the radio, the refrigerator, the internal combustion engine, nuclear power( although madame Curie did some research) , antibiotics, vaccines, rocket engines, jet engines, railroads.....

Nothing. They've invented nothing but kids. Of course they gave birth to all the male inventors that invented almost literally EVERYTHING that makes life more than a miserable, desperate struggle with muck and disease.

Therefore, since the highest creative act they seem to be capable of is to make kids, then younger women should be considered creatively SUPERIOR to older women.

An 18 year old can potentially have -- I don't know-- 12-15 kids, where a 35 year old maybe only 2-3.

They do have the fact they're less violent going for them.

"Women are poor players if the game is not love"
Nietzsche

All of this being said, there IS a RANGE of intelligence in women. The top of it is around the level of a mediocre college professor, right around where I am. I'm bright, can understand most basic modern abstract concepts such as those embedded in UNIX, calculus, existentialism, etc.; but I'll never make a major discovery or write a great history requiring extraordinary and concerted effort.

Men on my level are fairly common, but women this smart are not.

I think you DO want someone SOMEWHAT near your own range or you'll be wincing every time she opens her mouth.
The real dimwits will only want to consume or do some atrociously repetitive recreation such as play pool 20 hours a week.

At least a higher class women will read books, appreciate refined art like opera or jazz, even if she can't create it.

And they sure are a HELL of lot better looking than we are.

[ManAbout]

(06-30-2011 09:08 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

And this from a guy who specializes in dating over the hill 30 something year olds. The under 21 year olds are the greatest challenge out there. They are being bombarded by male attention almost every minute of the day.

If I wanted to date the type of women you date I would have a date lined up every night of the week. These old bags are so desperate for a man, their biological clocks are clicking so loudly, as long as you are reasonably attractive and have a decent job, they are the ones that will be pursuing you.

It is amusing to hear a guy who exclusively takes women that most guys here don't want, talk about being "challenged". Ironic and hilarious.

[Tuthmosis]

(07-04-2011 07:57 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

There are a lot of really stupid 30+ year old women. Who could you have a more intellectual conversation with, an 18 year old that is going to Harvard and wants to study medicine or a 30 year old waitress?

....

And the typical club chick doesn't progress too far mentally after her teens anyway. So, I would rather be banging a young, dumb, hot club chick than a old dumb 35 year old who still thinks she is hot.

This pretty much nails it for me. Age is poor determinant on whether a chick is smart or dumb (a so-called "challenge"). Given their disincentive to develop their higher faculties (since they get all of the benefit anyway), most women--irrespective of age--choose not to, assuming they had the capacity to do so in the first place.

I definitely meet fewer women that I would consider intelligent, versus men. But, more interestingly, I meet almost no women that are well-rounded. If they happen to be knowledgeable in one area, that tends to be it. They very rarely develop skills in several areas like we do. What's more, anything more than a single interest or aptitude all but guarantees that your girl is going to be unattractive. In other words, you rarely see a violin player, who is good at tennis, speaks three languages, has an incisive wit, and is super hot. That, I'm afraid, is the domain of men.

[iknowexactly]

(07-04-2011 01:54 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I definitely meet fewer women that I would consider intelligent, versus men. But, more interestingly, I meet almost no women that are well-rounded. If they happen to be knowledgeable in one area, that tends to be it. They very rarely develop skills in several areas

This is spot-on. I work with many doctors, and none of the females would know how to change the oil in their cars or have any knowledge of working with the 3-dimensional, physical world. The gap between their professional knowledge and complete obliviousness to all other knowledge is immense.

[UrbanNerd]

(07-04-2011 12:47 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 09:08 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

...and where is the "challenge" of the young teen girls?

And this from a guy who specializes in dating over the hill 30 something year olds. The under 21 year olds are the greatest challenge out there. They are being bombarded by male attention almost every minute of the day.

If I wanted to date the type of women you date I would have a date lined up every night of the week. These old bags are so desperate for a man, their biological clocks are clicking so loudly, as long as you are reasonably attractive and have a decent job, they are the ones that will be pursuing you.

It is amusing to hear a guy who exclusively takes women that most guys here don't want, talk about being "challenged". Ironic and hilarious.

I seriously doubt that any of the young teens girls mentioned on this board are some 18 year old in Harvard. More than likely anything about "game" on this board on teens is about some teen who is probably gullible.

As long as it is about "running game", I guess being in your 20's and 30's and gaming teens is OK. The problem is that many of you cats will end up falling in love and marrying these same teens who bring nothing to the table.

...then complain about the things being unfair later on...but I digress.

[UrbanNerd]

(07-04-2011 10:09 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

How many men of any age do you honestly believe will have the ability to provide a mental challenge at the top of their list of qualities in a woman they are seeking?
I'm sure there are men who care, but to be honest, the vast majority do not. If this were the case, then mature, 30+ careerist women (lawyers, doctors, etc) would be the hottest tickets around, but they aren't. Models with far less in the way of academic credentials seem to attract many more men on average.

Since men in general clearly don't put this quality at the top of their list, UrbanNerd, what reason have you to conclude that most men who date down care?
Where is my reason to care about this "challenge" you value so highly?

And THIS thinking is the #1 reason why so many men are in a financial mess after relationships. You dudes (not saying you) goto college, doing everything to impress professors, start businesses, slave through the corporate world and stack money, THEN......

You go get involved or marry or have a child with some chick who makes 10 times less than you...all over some p*ssy. Now if you are gaming the teen, pumping-n-dumping, more power to you. But many of you won't...it is too ingrained in you.

I don't know about YOU ALL but I like nice gifts. I like not picking up the tab. I don't think all of you are just gonna lay up with some chick in your apartment or some hotel room all day. You will want to do other things and for ME, I am not going to be 100% financially responsible.

So you suckers...I mean gamers can keep falling into that trap.

[Excelsior]

(07-04-2011 07:10 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

And THIS thinking is the #1 reason why so many men are in a financial mess after relationships. You dudes (not saying you) goto college, doing everything to impress professors, start businesses, slave through the corporate world and stack money, THEN......

You go get involved or marry or have a child with some chick who makes 10 times less than you...all over some p*ssy.

Firstly, I think that the implicit assumption here is that an older, "career" woman will be less likely to take you for a ride in divorce court, or seek alimony.
I am skeptical of that notion.

Secondly, I don't think that anybody here is advocating for marriage in the US (where family law is so hostile to men), so who are you talking to?
You're apparently putting "gamers" into this box, but it doesn't seem like most of the gamers here fit your description.

Thirdly, since this is a travel forum, couldn't a man who does fit your description theoretically eliminate most of your stated concerns by traveling and starting a family/marrying in a nation without such punitive family law systems?
If he does this, then where does he stand with you? Is he still "a sucker" for this, even though he has eliminated the risks(which are most prominent in the US and UK anyway)?

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I don't know about YOU ALL but I like nice gifts. I like not picking up the tab. I don't think all of you are just gonna lay up with some chick in your apartment or some hotel room all day. You will want to do other things and for ME, I am not going to be 100% financially responsible.

So your main reason for gaming older women is that they can pay for things and buy you presents?

[UrbanNerd]

(07-04-2011 11:21 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

So your main reason for gaming older women is that they can pay for things and buy you presents?

No.

I direct my attention to women using whatever will maximize my output (sex) with the minimal input. With some jailbait, I am not trying to deal with constant mind-changing, quirkiness, a whole bunch of teasing/playing just to sway her or holla at her just because she is hit on 100 other times that somehow proves her worth (supposedly).

I want say what I need to say to her once, not trying to outdo cell phones, text messages or social networks. As one poster alluded to, YES I exploit what has been drilled into girls minds (young and old), the 'ole provider slant. Give them the "illusion" of house, picket fence and a dog and capitalize from that. No need for many of these silly details that are posted on this board. No need to bench-press 500 pounds and wear tight "smedium" (small/medium) shirts to show muscles and definitely no need to analyze everything in terms of alpha, omega, beta and gamma (if there is a gamma) which I don't even read that stuff anyway.

Now if she picks up that tab?...that's a plus.

[Vicious]

I don't buy it, I can't help feeling that this is your way of rationalizing your choice to not go after young women.

[Excelsior]

(07-04-2011 11:47 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

No.

I direct my attention to women using whatever will maximize my output (sex) with the minimal input. With some jailbait, I am not trying to deal with constant mind-changing, quirkiness, a whole bunch of teasing/playing just to sway her or holla at her just because she is hit on 100 other times that somehow proves her worth (supposedly).

I want say what I need to say to her once, not trying to outdo cell phones, text messages or social networks. As one poster alluded to, YES I exploit what has been drilled into girls minds (young and old), the 'ole provider slant. Give them the "illusion" of house, picket fence and a dog and capitalize from that. No need for many of these silly details that are posted on this board. No need to bench-press 500 pounds and wear tight "smedium" (small/medium) shirts to show muscles and definitely no need to analyze everything in terms of alpha, omega, beta and gamma (if there is a gamma) which I don't even read that stuff anyway.

Now if she picks up that tab?...that's a plus.

I noticed you didn't address the other questions in my post...interesting.

Alright, so your reasoning for not dealing with young women isn't entirely without basis. It is true that younger girls can be quite flaky and flighty, and a bit harder to lay than more mature women who just get to the point. Older women can also easily be fooled with the beta-provider game that you run(I've proposed that as a useful strategy as well).

The thing is, if this is all true, why did you feel the need to shame guys who do pursue younger women by saying things like this:

(06-30-2011 08:52 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I mean you are 25, 26 or 27 and aiming for 17/18 year olds?...Really?

And this:

(06-30-2011 08:52 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Most guys that continually aim for much younger GIRLS, especially the guys ages 20 to 29 who want some TEEN girl do it because they really do not want to challenged mentally.

You could have just outlined the reasons why you thought younger girls provided a poor return on investment and been done. Instead you used shaming language, called them suckers, and made it seem as though they were weak, stupid, immature and just wrong for making that choice not to pursue women of your more favored, mature age group.

Why is that?

And one more thing regarding this particular statement here:

(06-30-2011 08:52 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

the guys ages 20 to 29 who want some TEEN girl do it because they really do not want to challenged mentally.

Aside from the fact that this is blatant shaming, it seems to contradict your later statements here:

(07-04-2011 11:47 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I direct my attention to women using whatever will maximize my output (sex) with the minimal input. With some jailbait, I am not trying to deal with constant mind-changing, quirkiness, a whole bunch of teasing/playing just to sway her or holla at her just because she is hit on 100 other times that somehow proves her worth (supposedly).

You then go on to specifically outline the relative simplicity of older women as a benefit of pursuing them("I want to say what I need to say to her once").

It seems here that you are acknowledging the ability of young women to provide a pretty strong mental challenge to the men who try to pursue them due to their flighty, game-playing nature. You also seem to be admitting that older women are less challenging("maximize output(sex)...minimal input") to get with. This is odd considering the fact that you just finished labeling men who pursue younger women as guys who "don't want to be challenged".

So which is it? Are young women challenging, or are they not? Because, judging from what you've said, it appears as though you may be the one taking the easier road.

Mind you, I do not disagree with that philosophy-maximizing return on investment, which you seem to be aiming to do, is a key philosophy of mine as well when it comes to women. I simply disagree with the way you presented the argument, as it is rather unclear.

[blurb]

(06-30-2011 01:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

And I don't agree that society is teaching men to be "nice guys". That shit was over 20 years ago. Society is now teaching men to be "bad boys". Everything I see on TV is some suburban guy with prison style tattoos.

Most guys I talk to think they need to be more of a "cocky bad boy".

Nobody is singing love songs anymore. Its cool to look like a street thug now.

Who is encouraging us to be "nice guys"??? Not the music industry, not the movie and television industry, not mainstream society. Even girls don't want that shit.

The only people telling me to be a "nice guy" is my grandparents.

I think it depends to some extent on where a man grows up in the U.S.

Take me, for instance. I grew up in the Deep South where Christian fundamentalism has some hold over society. Of course, this is changing, but their hold remains.

Young men are encouraged to be a gentleman, treat a woman with respect, protect her, provide for her, and make her feel good. Basically, be a white knight. Pre-marital sex is bad. Wait until you're married. It was all I ever grew up learning on how to attract a woman.

To give you an idea of just how beta I used to be, I used to actually write love poems about crushes I had. Guys with whom I grew up played the guitar and wrote love songs. Yes, lots of guys (especially in the Bible Belt which means millions of men) do this kind of lovey dovey crap. It still exists to an extent.

It's not just me who grew up old school. Solomon (the popular guy who kept a blog, similar to Roissy's) grew up the son of a preacher where at high school graduation, all the guys were virgins, but the women weren't; I can also remember reading of a 26-year-old virgin man marrying a 28-year-old woman with the pastor praising the couple of their committment to purity--except that the woman had been sexually active since her teen years and had experienced over a decade of sex before settling down with a beta--who doesn't know a thing about her past.

The thing that really make me shudder is the thought that I could've ended up just like him if I hadn't stumbled across Roissy's blog (and the other parts of the community).

Now that I think about it, I realize that my old school ways of attracting women that were programmed into me are antiquated. I was naive and didn't know any better.

Sometimes, when I did see the light, I would dismiss it. For example, women are hypergamous. Back in middle school, I knew a 13-year-old who made it known that she had a 17-year-old boyfriend in highschool. It was like she was proud of the fact. I couldn't understand why she chose him. It seemed kind of creepy to me.

Here's the trend as I see it:

When you are in middle school, girls try to go for high school guys.

When you are 16 and in high school, girls will go after 20-something-year-old guys who have cars.

When you are 21 and in college, she will reject you for slightly older guys.

HOWEVER,

when you are 29 and have your s*** together, have some serious money, a car, things that give you confidence and make you high-status, they will be begging for you to come to them. They will be giving you the attention they never gave you earlier in life because they've realized that their alphas won't commit.

And here's the ultimate kicker,

when YOU decide that YOU want to date a younger woman, women will shriek at you and tell you you're shallow when, in fact, they themselves dated and preferred older guys. This just reeks and screams of hypocrisy.



Just think of how society rigs the game against men. It's O.K. for 30, 40, and 50-year-old "Twilight" moms to fawn over a high schooler Edward Cullen and wolfboy, but if a group of 30, 40, and 50-year-old men formed a group appreciating how sexy the high schooler Kirsten Stewart is, you can bet your ass they'd be labeled as perverts and sex offenders.

Here's one double standard that works for women--they get the benefit of the doubt...always.

I remember reading about a guy who got kicked out of a club because an angry gf lied to the bouncer that he put something in her drink. The guy then got kicked out of the club. It was club policy that an accusation is enough. However, the guy's friend who still in the club tried to get the girl kicked out by saying that she tried to put something in someone's drink. The result? She just gets a warning.

Just falsely accusing a man of anything is enough to ruin his life.

This is why cultural phenomena such as "Twilight Moms" occurs while the opposite doesn't happen for men. The thinking goes like this: "They're women. What can women do? It's not like they're actually going to kidnap Edward Cullen or wolfboy to their underground basement."

[Excelsior]

(07-06-2011 02:59 AM)blurb Wrote:  

Here's one double standard that works for women--they get the benefit of the doubt...always.

Good post.

[NeVerGymLess]

cliffs on thread please.

[UrbanNerd]

(07-05-2011 10:59 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The thing is, if this is all true, why did you feel the need to shame guys who do pursue younger women by saying things like this:

(06-30-2011 08:52 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I mean you are 25, 26 or 27 and aiming for 17/18 year olds?...Really?

So which is it? Are young women challenging, or are they not? Because, judging from what you've said, it appears as though you may be the one taking the easier road.

Mind you, I do not disagree with that philosophy-maximizing return on investment, which you seem to be aiming to do, is a key philosophy of mine as well when it comes to women. I simply disagree with the way you presented the argument, as it is rather unclear.

I agree that the "shaming" in my responses were ill-advised since this is a message board and there should be a "to each their own" respect level for one's desires. My only defense is that I am both speaking from a personal experience and also a USA-centric viewpoint, which of course should not apply to the international nature of this board.

Having said that....

1) Since most states in the USA have an age-of-consent of 18 and the states with 16/17 have some sort of "age gap" provision AND how the average USA teen is not raised like other countries as far as responsibilities, I had a hard time reading posts from men in their upper 20's or even 30 say that they would target a teen. My first thought is "where are they going to meet them?". I could not understand why someone would go through maybe as far as graduate school, work day-to-day in the corporate world and decide to AIM for a teen.

2) Again, I am using past experiences but anytime I saw or was around someone I knew who deliberately aimed for a teen (while in his upper 20's), usually a few things were constant...

a) She was no "Ivy League" freshman or if I may make this DC-centric, she was no Georgetown freshman...and/or

b) This act was usually followed AFTER repeated failures with women his age, social status or other similar qualities...and/or

c) The girl was not even "up to par" is discussing even the most dumbed-down topics.

3) **weak defense but I will use it** I had a problem with reading traits like "flakiness" and "shyt testing" as being traits that validates her worth.

So, I was using MY past experiences on taking exception for a man in his late 20's going after teens. Should I have used a range of 20-29 in my argument?...probably not.

As far the "suckers" comment. That was specifically aimed at the guys who end up getting involved/marrying these teens (or any female that does not bring much to the table), which is a totally different topic and supposed to not matter if one is just trying to bang.

I read some of the tips on this board about how to combat some of the obstacles in gaming these women. While I do see some reasoning behind something like "jamming cell phones" and other things, I PERSONALLY see that as far too much work just to bed some teen.

[blurb]

Gaming older women in their 30s may be easier for guys just starting out who want to get confidence that they can at least attract some women instead of none, but I still think one needs to go after young (18-21 y.o.) women to truly achieve one's true potential.

After all, younger women have had fewer sexual experiences which translates into a lower risk for an STD. They may also be more affectionate if they haven't yet been burned by a cad or come from the country where they haven't been spoiled like a princess.

Beta Bait: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/f...-provider/



What's all this talk about having intelligent conversations with women? I mean, it's O.K. if you really want that, but that's what your male friends are for.

Men use logic; women use emotion.

One of the trends I have noticed is that straight women hang out with gay men while the opposite pairings (straight men socializing with lesbians) doesn't occur. As roissy previously wrote, it comes from the ability of gay men to arouse women's emotions by teasing them.

Gay Men Have Game: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/g...have-game/


"GIRL: Is it a long walk from the train to the club?

GAY FRIEND: Don’t worry, shorty, your six inch marry me heels won’t break.


GIRL: Is it a long walk from the train to the club?

BETA: [excited to be spoken to by a cute girl] No, it’s not bad. Maybe five minutes."


If women wanted smart, intelligent conversations, they'd be falling over themselves for betas and geeks.

Again, men use logic; women use emotion.

[esperar]

There's a 16 year old in Spain who I speak to over the net. Wouldn't mind banging her. Completely legal too. Fortunately I go to Spain every year, haha.

[Duke Castile]

Just read the first comment so far but holy shit you aren't kidding. I sometimes get on my laptop by the pool at my apartment complex. A girl MAYBE 13 walked up to me like a miniature stripper and said "Want to be my new best friend?" while she touched my shoulder. I couldn't fucking believe it. I looked at her and said "I have too many best friends as it is" folded the laptop and left.

It was full on fucking uncomfortable. All I had to do was make a witty player remark and her mother could have overheard her telling her friends about the conversation and BOOM, it could have been unwanted trouble....all I have to say is be careful. When they're doing that at that age they've got game by 15 and 16 better than anyone on the forum.

[WesternCancer]

I almost had one of these moments today. A coffee shop was FULL of LGs on lunch break. They were super fine, I nearly opened one before I realized they were still in highschool. Me being 20 I don't get worried as much as an older dude, but I still probably wouldn't hit on a highschool girl unless she had *just turned 18* and it was some kind of social circle thing.

Fisto, your story kind of reminded me of Crazy stupid love when steve carell's babysitter falls in love and takes nudes for him. Hes completely oblivious, but the father was ready to KILL him. Gotta watch out.

[ManAbout]

(06-06-2012 09:22 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Hes completely oblivious, but the father was ready to KILL him. Gotta watch out.

I always wonder about these fathers who are ready to kill the much older lovers of their teen daughters, even if legal. Is the motivation solely protection of the daughter, or is it aso driven by jealousy that a guy close to his age is banging a nubile, young teen while he himself is stuck with a frumpy, old cow.

[Excelsior]

(06-06-2012 09:22 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I almost had one of these moments today. A coffee shop was FULL of LGs on lunch break. They were super fine, I nearly opened one before I realized they were still in highschool. Me being 20 I don't get worried as much as an older dude, but I still probably wouldn't hit on a highschool girl unless she had *just turned 18* and it was some kind of social circle thing.

Isn't 16 legal in Canada? Or are there some other interesting restrictions that make it more advisable to just stick to 18?