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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

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The topic of gaslighting has found its way into popular culture, recently being discussed by MTV, and featured prominently as the theme of a storyline in last week's episode of the HBO drama series, Ballers. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, gaslighting is a sophisticated manipulation tactic which certain types of personalities use to create doubt in the minds of others, according to Dr. George Simon, PHD.

This edition of Real Talk Sessions is going to dive into the truth about gaslighting as it pertains to male-female sexual relationships, and as usual, the truth is ugly and inconvenient.

Let's get it.

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In last week's episode of Ballers, a storyline that had been developing on the show for nearly a month finally reached its conclusion. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the show, here's a brief summary of the storyline that will help you understand the conversation we're about to have.

Spencer, played by "The Rock", and a co-worker of his throw a yacht party to attract more clients to the personal finance firm they work for. During this party, one of their clients, a professional football player who's up for a huge contract extension, is photographed smoking weed and doing lines of coke off of naked hookers -- typical Miami shit. In turns out that the woman, Angela, who took the pictures and threatened to sell them for profit was someone who Spencer used to hook up with. After much back and forth, a settlement is finally agreed upon, but the chick wanted Spencer to meet with her in person to deliver the money and apologize for their failed relationship, something that he was reluctant to do.

In the scene above, Spencer and his ex-jump-off turned girlfriend Tracy, discuss the situation. In the conversation, Tracy accuses Spencer of gaslighting Angela, which from her point-of-view means that Spencer led her on by making her feel special, and then when things started to get too close, he become emotionally and physically unavailable, leaving her confused, and questioning if they really had anything at all. Because of this, the football player attached to Spencer becomes collateral damage whose misfortune Angela can use to profit for her own gain while upsetting Spencer in the process.

Gaslighting & The Female Ego
Those of us who are engaging in casual relationships with no honest, concerted efforts to get married and have families with a person who we love, are actively participating in the Hookup Culture. The Hookup Culture is not personal, it's business. It's a business in which it is imperative that one enters without their ego in tow. It's business because it's never meant to be personal. We are meeting and having sex with people who we don't even really know. A lot of us are using false names, false personalities, GV numbers, etc. as we aim to get what we want out of these interactions, which is undeniably, unattached sex with people who we can disconnect from at a moment's notice. Most people can't enter this business without their egos, and rest assured, there isn't one woman out there who can.

Women are more promiscuous now than at any time of our society's history, yet they've never been more miserable. The problem for them is that we're playing this game from opposite spectrums. Men who are participating in this business are typically higher-value men -- in looks, money, status, etc. -- who can fuck a number of women as they choose to -- not most men, who more often than not luck into some ass from time to time, and certainly not those who haven't had pussy since Obama's first term. Meanwhile the women who are engaging in this business are lower-value women who can get dick from men -- even ones above their pay-grades -- but they can't get the men, and that fact is upsetting them.

Gaslighting comes into play as a go-to victim mentality for women who consciously choose to participate in the Hookup Culture, and don't like their records at the end of the season. Ultimately, they make choices, but they absolve themselves of guilt, and hide behind victim mentalities like gaslighting, as for why they dove into the mud and didn't come out clean on the other side.

This is one-time for the fat chicks who serve as late-night head doctors when guys go down swinging at the club, the cute chicks who don't have the juice to lock anybody down -- they lack the family background, education, money, etc. for someone to take them seriously -- but have just enough ass to get a text from time to time, and other chicks who at-best pass boner tests and make their pussies readily available when the men who they want to give it to are ready to go for a swim.

However, none of them are victims because nobody is making them feel special, look at the nature of the business, women are the bottoms of the rip-and-dip game, so what is the origin of this alleged specialness?

The Three Sides of A Relationship
There are three sides to every relationship: your side, her side, and the truth. Some of us think we're engaging in jump-off relationships, but because you're breaking the rules your jump-off thinks she is more to you than what she actually is. As a result, your truth is downplayed, meanwhile hers is overstated, so the reality is somewhere in the middle, whether you like that or not.

However, we are still not responsible for women's misreads. A lot of the so-called misleading that is done in relationships by men, is actually done by women who live in their own heads. They are constantly connecting dots and translating words and actions into whatever they want to believe, thus, they are misleading themselves.

In Ballers, the tale of Spencer and Angela is in which a go-go dancer feels salty because she had a six-month relationship with a professional football player that didn't go anywhere. One that was never going to go anywhere, which is why it was over after such a short-period of time, after all, she was just a fuckin' go-go dancer. At some point she made a conscious decision to believe her own bullshit -- that she had the juice to be a rich man's wifey -- and when reality bit, it didn't taste like the bullshit she had been feeding herself, so she got mad at the man.

Such a dynamic is at the heart of a lot of jump-off relationships, especially ones that go on for too long. Women start telling themselves things that make them feel good, and when the opposite is revealed to them, they become feigned victims of gaslighting. The fact that you gave them orgasms for six months, a year, whatever, ultimately was your way of making them feel special and manipulating their minds in the process, and then when you one day just decided to no longer answer their calls and texts, you were suddenly playing ignorant, like she meant so much to you, and now you're denying her the place in your life that she was entitled to.

Please.

The Master Manipulators
Women are the master manipulators. Think about the beginning of any relationship, you know that point when you have all these feelings because she's making you feel so damn special, and you start believing this is life, then over time, once you get out of that honeymoon stage, you find who she really is and what she really wants.

Think about all the men who were getting their dicks sucked like bomb pops, and now that they've married those women, they have to go to escorts to get topped off.

Think about the women who enthusiastically go out on dates with men who they have no intention of fucking.

Women are masters at making you believe things that aren't true, while they maneuver towards getting what they want out of you.

More often than not, it is men who are left with the short-end of the stick when it comes to these interactions. It's the man who attempts to start the relationship, and it's the man who jumps through a thousand hoops to try to see the relationship through, all the while dealing with a number of her tests, insecurities, and other obstacles that get in the way of potentially having something special.

Pour Conclure
Sometimes, we have to call a spade a spade. Most of our relationships in this modern dating world are nothing more than DOA relationships, which is unfortunate, because I believe it is in our nature to desire more than that, but it's hard to desire that from the undesirable, so we get what we can off the bone, and then move on when we're full. It's a dog-eat-dog world, there are no victims, just those who are being honest to the reality that they are operating within, and those whose reality isn't honest.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

Breaking the rules is only an advantage if other parties aren't breaking them. Just like guys playing the field, guys who "drop out" are breaking the rules too, same with the guys who won't settle for the girl at 35 who made it obvious they didn't give a shit about these guys when they were 21. Whether conscientious of it or not, all these guys mentioned above are simply breaking the rules that have been in place to ensure women maximize life and the dating world. Women haven't been playing by any "rules" in decades, and it's starting to come to roost. This evens out the playing field and now they actually have to earn the dream life that they want, more and more. The rules dictate that women are entitled to commitment from any guy that she sleeps with (the male equivalent would be a woman owing a man sex because he buys her dinner, both are absurd), and that there will always be some man there to be her safety net, regardless of what she's done, how she's conducted herself, or how she's treated other people. So much for the "fairer" sex.

Civilize the mind but make savage the body.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

I'm so glad someone brought up gaslighting here. I used to accuse my girlfriends all of the time and they would further ask me what I was talking about. This is a manipulation tactic used by women to get their way and most men don't even realize it because they are too complacent. Keep your eyes on the prize guys.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

Jariel what did you say about, as you've progressed. You used to see pussy, now you see women?
I butchering the fuck out of it...but ???
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

I totally agree with you about women being the master manipulators.

Being with the wife is like Soviet Russia. Constant propaganda about what a "good husband" is supposed to do, which unsurprisingly turns out to be just about anything to satisfy her whims. Everything I want is for me, but everything she wants is for "my family". That seems pretty in line with what the article describes as attempted gaslighting.

If I actually gave a fuck I might be in trouble.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

More on brainwashing / gaslighting / NLP:



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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

Nailed how the hook up culture is and how women are.

Always have to be real and call it what it is. Some people don't see the writing on the wall and jump into DOA relationships.

This was worded brilliantly Jariel.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

Hinting that you're down with exclusivity and then never following through is a great tactic if you're going for notches.

I won't comment on how ethical it is, just that it is an effective card to play if she's on the fence.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Truth About Gaslighting

A (somewhat) recent experience with the girl I lost my virginity to made this and your RTS about "jump-offs" ring very true in my ears. There's a long story behind this, but basically, before I knew a thing about the red pill, I had been treating this girl like a jump-off. This was in response to the way she had treated me in the beginning of our relationship, but when I had (inadvertently) started messing around with other girls, and only calling her once in a blue moon to get it in in the backseat of her car at 2am, she began hitting me with this stuff. Even in my (relatively purple blue pill mind) I ignored her nonsense, because in the pit of my stomach, I knew what we were, and I was firm on keeping it that way. I've realized, most guys will not do this.

The key word is OPTIONS. I won't lie, back in the day, I was mad overweight and had some acne. However, I had some confidence from being a decent lacrosse player and being the "class clown". I had the luxury of having a couple of other girls be into my antics, which gave me options. It is absolutely amazing what that will do to any other guy. A majority of men do not have OPTIONS, so they stick with what they're given and/or give in to the demands of (what should be) their jump off. As someone more creative could say, "An approach a day, keeps the..."

What I've said is from the perspective of someone who is still in the early stages of becoming a "player". I'm still in single digits in terms of notch count, but I came to the above realizations just because the situation was presented to me. I guarantee that 90% of guys struck with oneitis do not have OPTIONS. With everything that the manosphere teaches on "dodging shit tests" and "outgaming" ladies (chicken/egg I know), you'd be surprised how much of that becomes a nonfactor when you legitimately have OPTIONS.
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