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06-04-2015, 01:31 PM
The afc in America is neither dateless or sexless. His problem is that he doesn't get the variety, quality, and quantity of sex partners he imagines will make him happy.
But He's going to bang his lifetime total of six, and that sixth bang will be the mother of his children. She has a good chance of divorcing him in his forties or fifties, but that's his fate in life.
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06-04-2015, 01:31 PM
To answer your question, he probably does, but unfortunately, the only person who can help him is ... him. I doubt anyone here thinks society - and especially women - are going to do that. And it's not like you or we can force-feed him the truth - he'd likely just spit it out, and possibly back at you, in anger. No ... when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. However, some students may never be ready.
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06-04-2015, 02:20 PM
Man that was a pretty tough watch.
It's evident that he's not well mentally and it looks like he does not have the intelligence to actually make a change in his life. IMO this whole video is his desperate tactic to actually reel in a girl. "Hey here I am. I'm a good guy who's been taken advantage of by bad women. Please be that girl who will fuck me and realize that I'm great. Thanks."
To answer your question as to whether or not he typifies the AFC in america today, I have no idea. It's clear he has some mental issues but who knows where they are stemming from.
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06-04-2015, 03:17 PM
He reminds me of a friend that I've had. Refuses help on his wardrobe, his talking points, his interests. Has obviously never set foot in a gym and never will. Opens girls with awkward subjects like sports or hobbies. He's basically hopeless.
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06-04-2015, 03:17 PM
I'm judging the odds at 60/40 in favor of him finding game and at least sticking through it to get a Girl. He's got the presence to understand game but I'm afraid that he won't be able to handle the true nature of women and how they are not inherently bad but simply a product of the times we live in. Hope he pulls through
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06-04-2015, 03:29 PM
Oups busted! I was 9 minutes in on his video and thought that I'd write my comment now. Lesson learned... and you're right it's probably Game over for him
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06-04-2015, 03:58 PM
"milquetoast" has been quite the word du jour of late. At least the 4th or 5th time I've seen it over the past few weeks and have literally never seen it before April 2015.
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06-04-2015, 05:44 PM
@Merenguero
I think the number is a tad low, but gotta remember that the vast majority of men are squares.
They don't dress well, they don't work out. They don't approach strangers. And few men are so handsome that women throw themselves at them. Even if they live in a city, they stay in their tribe. Guys here are always looking for the easy way, lol, lazy sons of bitches.
A guy is ready to bang at 13/14, but it isn't really beginning until after college, when he is in his "prime". So between 25-33, he'll date a bit, but chances are HIGH that he'll meet a girl that's good enough to marry. And he'll stay faithful to her until something drastic happens. He stays faithful because it's a lot of work (in his mind) to get another chick.
I got a few homies right now that fit that mold. Had a bit of fun in college but once they met the right one they buckled down, got jobs, a house and kids.
They all envy my freedom. I envy their stability and purpose, even though I know how that story ends.
As for Costa Rica, something like 70% of us citizens don't have passports. There are plenty of people who've never been to Canada or Mexico.
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06-04-2015, 06:15 PM
@Merenguero
"a guy who isn't as reserved (the vast majority of the population) "
No, the vast majority of the male population is very reserved. At least in America. I'm not saying basement nerds, but a lot of those guys you see at the sports bar are not actively talking to women. They're loud and personable, and aside from a crass catcall, there's no attempts being made.
One of the things I learned early on about the club game was that even in a sausage fest, a lot of the "cool" guys would endlessly circulate or post up by the bar. Meanwhile gaggles of girls would stare at their shoes. It was the eighth grade dance again, but with money and alcohol. After the liquor kicked in then you'd see a bit of coupling, but in a place designed for interaction, most guys were chilling.
And this observation was in the context of most guys not even going out. Too expensive, too smoky, too lame.
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06-04-2015, 07:04 PM
I was like this guy Kent until I learned game when I got to college and improved on my appearance, confidence, and socializing with other people.
I'm speculating that Kent grew up in a female dominated environment where he was told the way to pick up women was to be a "Nice Guy", and from the way he speaks, grew up sheltered and not socializing with people.
And from the type of women I'm guessing he was attracted to would find him to be "corny", "square", or a "lame". His fashion sense isn't terrible in that niche. But his body language just says to women that "I'm a loser" and lacks "swag".
Hopefully he'll find this forum to help improve on himself. Before he turns into another Elliot Rodger.
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06-04-2015, 08:11 PM
An "average" guy by American standards probably is slightly overweight, works at Best Buy for $10-12/hr, and spends most of his free time watching sports, playing video games, and smoking street scag weed (which is going to make him pretty lethargic and unmotivated). He's probably mostly using online avenues to get laid (which we know are pretty useless for the general public). He also probably lives in a suburb which is an isolating environment.
Now factor in what he has working against him in American culture:
1. A gender ratio that's worse than China when you factor in obese women and single mothers as untouchables.
2. Extremely high standards from even low quality women who will think a guy like this is a loser. Most of them would rather be a slump buster on a Tuesday night for their high school quarterback and become a sexless single mother afterwards than waste time with this guy. (5 minutes of Alpha...)
3. A culture that encourages women to never settle. So even if a girl gets coerced to go out with a guy like this, it's going to be the "he's nice... but..." response.
4. Girls sitting in circles with their smartphones when going out for attention purposes rather than actually wanting to meet someone. One girl in the group is going to say pretty much every guy in the venue is "awkward" or "creepy" or one of the other shaming tags they use, which inevitably disqualifies everyone.
Now, how much is an "average" guy in the U.S. getting laid despite all this? Probably not very much. A fat single mother with cupcake tattoos or middle-aged divorcee from craigslist once a year is probably par for the course.
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06-04-2015, 08:31 PM
Definitely agree with WIA's perspective on this one, and Merenguero has echoed some sentiments I've felt, but that's only because when you're experiencing something uncommon, what is common naturally feels off to you.
I've said it before, females have the luxury in life of literally just being able to exist and somehow have opportunities present themselves from men. They are constantly being given opportunities to have sexual, romantic, and platonic relationships with men.
Men don't have that luxury.
We have to create our relationships.
I went out with a co-worker several weeks ago, and he looked over and asked me, "Why don't they approach us?"
His mentality was simply that because we were there and we're nice-looking guys and what not, women are supposed to come up to us, and say, "Hey, we want to give you some pussy."
It's rare that we get that thrown in our laps, because the expectation is still that we're going to work for it. We're going to approach. We're going to initiate the conversation. We're going to understand the vibe. We're going to take that vibe and translate it into an intimate encounter.
If we don't do that, 99.9% of the time we'll get absolutely nothing.
We don't get points just for being there.
Go to a club or a bar, grab a drink, just sit/stand there, tell me how many women open you unwarranted, how many women give you their phone numbers that night without you saying a word, how many women offer you the opportunity to take them home/go home with them and fuck them.
Your answer will be zero, 99.9% of the time.
Even those of us who are "night game vets", we have a lot of stories to tell, but we had to go out a lot of nights to get those stories.
Some chick who hasn't been out all year can go out tomorrow night and have at least one guy offer her sex -- directly or indirectly -- without her having to do a thing.
The point here simply is, most guys don't put themselves out there, and even if they do, they don't necessarily play the game.
I go out regularly, I don't see guys approaching. Guys are either standing up against a wall nursing a drink, trying to get drunk as quickly as possible by the bar, hell, at this point, even those guys are a minority, as now most don't even want to step inside of a club unless they already have a date.
That is why we are in the uber minority, we aim to create relationships out of thin air, we're not only willing to put ourselves out there, we're ready to play when we step on the field, that's why some of us have been in so many relationships, fucked so many women, etc. because at the end of the day, us men have to go out and get ours, when we don't, we'll be incels, hermits, etc.