[thegmanifesto]

Roosh, in his Gheridge saga ( http://www.rooshv.com/gheridge-3 ) just reminded me that I have never posted the most versatile opener of all time.

The Greatest Opener of All Time: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2011/05/the...-time.html

I probably use it more than any other opener, and it is by far the most successful for me. I can literally track it to almost every fly girl that I have approached.

I would be interested in what others use that have great effect.

Thoughts?

[Tony Snow25]

Good and basic opener. I think smoking sections at clubs are the best places to meet girls. Since I smoke I don't mind if other girls smoke. But this can only be used by dudes that smoke.

[Caligula]

Great opener.

I also get girls throwing me that line. I'll usually have a basic lighter of some sort but am looking for something more special.

What sort of lighter do you roll with G?

[raliv]

for guys who don't smoke, try some of these: fake cigarettes like the kind they use on hollywood sets and shows like Mad Men where it is illegal to smoke real cigarettes indoors. Celebrities who don't smoke smoke these in movies.

Herbal Cigarettes.

http://www.ecstacyproducts.com/store/her...c-109.html

My friend who doesn't smoke bought some for a Mad Men themed party. I tried one and didn't cough or feel bad like I usually do when smoking. You can find them at most tobacco shops actually.

lol don't hate me G Man.

[thegmanifesto]

Caligula -

'What sort of lighter do you roll with G?"

Dunhill's and Dupont's are sick but spendy.

I like Zippo, pound for pound and round for round. An American classic.

Guaranteed for life as well. Great American company that harkens back to an era when America was great. And produced and did great things.

Of course the TSA and the Patriot Act and other useless nonsense like that are killing the company, but that is another story for another time.

raliv -

"Herbal Cigarettes. "

Break this down a little more.

Which ones did you try exactly?

What did they taste like?

Buzz?

Lung effect?

Mental effect?

etc

[Tony Snow25]

@ G

What type(company) of cigs do you smoke?

[raliv]

Gmanifesto:

I tried these:

http://www.ecstacyproducts.com/store/ecs...?cPath=109

They tasted and smelled like tobacco but with a more natural flavor. Also was a little herby. People I know who hate the smell of cigarette smoke that loved the smell of these.

They had a slight, very slight buzz. Nothing significant though.

They burned a little quicker as well so you are constantly lighting new ones.

My lungs were clear as a bell. No cough, no phlegm. I went for a run later the next day and didn't feel like I had smoked at all.

Mentally? Nothing except having a great intro line at the bars and enjoying being around other smokers who are more interesting people than non-smokers.

Granted, I think telling people that you are smoking herbal cigs would get "you're a pussy" from veteran smokers so I don't think I would tell people. However, I think they give you most of the positive side effects of smoking without all the nicotine, coughing, and other side effects that I don't particularly enjoy.

Lol I think I am going to get some today for when I go out.

[Giovonny]

"Do you have a light?"

These are my favorite types of lines to use. They are so simple and "innocent". It just seems so natural (which is the whole point right?)

Its really a harmless question. You could be hitting her or you could really just need a light. Your not really exposing yourself or risking anything. You are just opening up the communication. If she wants to chat/flirt with you, she can, if she's not into you, no big deal. There is no pressure, on you or her.


These types of lines just give the girl a chance to look at you up close and "feel your vibe". I think its important to not put girls "on the spot" and force them to make a decision about you in the first minute of talking to her. Give her a chance to feel you and soak up your Game for a few minutes.


Its really just good natural conversation.

Saying stuff like..."hey, I saw you from across the room and I wanted to come over and introduce myself" is a little forced and needy maybe. Of course, that line can work and I have gotten laid like that before, but the more I study Game, the more I like these simple, natural approaches.

[Jack_007]

And what if the girl is in a group or between you and her there are other people? If she likes you before you approach it's OK but if not you'll look like a looser. She might even ignore your question like she's deaf and then you can write about that at the topic "worst rejection ever".

[Giovonny]

(05-25-2011 02:44 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  

And what if the girl is in a group

If she is in a group, don't speak to her directly. First, get eye contact with the "leader" of the group and ask the question to the entire group. Or wait for her to separate herself from the group.

(05-25-2011 02:44 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  

or between you and her there are other people?

If there are people standing in between you and her you should walk around those people and get yourself within a few feet of the girl. First get eye contact, then ask your question. Make sure you speak loud enough so she can easily hear you. And speak clearly and confidently. I see guys all the time use a little mouse voice when they are talking to a girl. It just shows the girl that you are afraid. If you speak quietly, she can pretend that she didn't hear you.

Get close, make eye contact, smile, project your voice with confidence.

[CJ]

Yep, this is a classic. I saw it my first time years ago when I was with my uncle in Amsterdam. Just walked over to a chick's table at a coffee shop and asked her. She smiled, but unfortunately she didn't speak English!

[Jack_007]

After you make eye contact and you go closer to her she knows 100% you're hitting on her, trying to get the pussy. So a simple "Hi" cand make the same job if she likes you. If she does not like you, your opener sounds cheesy.

[Jack_007]

(05-25-2011 02:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

They are so simple and "innocent". It just seems so natural (which is the whole point right?)

It can't be "innocent" if she's in a group and you want the light from her and also if you go half the club for that light if there are people closer to you than her. This can work only if she's in your proximity. Otherwise sounds like a rehearsed line.

[K-man]

I've used that line often, too - but you have to follow up with something that is your real opener.
Just asking for a light is not an opener, in my opinion. But it does allow you to gauge her interest (if she smiles at you, looks at you, etc.) and then deliver the real opener, or just say thanks for the light and eject.

[Geronimo]

What if you don't smoke anything?

[Tuthmosis]

(05-26-2011 10:26 AM)Geronimo Wrote:  

What if you don't smoke anything?

Use the line and then pull out one of those Mexican candles. Tell her you're mourning a dead relative.

   

[thegmanifesto]

Tuthmosis -

One of the funniest things I have read on here.

Smooth.

[blurb]

Meh...it seems good, but I'm not going to ruin my health by smoking. There are other great openers for non-smokers.

[Chad Daring]

I was rolling this around via Twitter with Jack Frost and had the idea for us non-smokers, get the light, take one puff (but dont inhale) then just let it burn down. If you're trying to open a girl you're gonna be doing a fare amount of talking anyways, just be natural about it and flick off the ash discretely.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-26-2011 05:02 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I was rolling this around via Twitter with Jack Frost and had the idea for us non-smokers, get the light, take one puff (but dont inhale) then just let it burn down. If you're trying to open a girl you're gonna be doing a fare amount of talking anyways, just be natural about it and flick off the ash discretely.

That's called "The Bill Clinton Opener".

blurb-

" There are other great openers for non-smokers."

Don't be stingy.

Bust them out.

[tjuan]

I'm not doubting that works, smokers can't help but to talk to each other, maybe it helps ignore any self-guilt of destroying their bodies... besides, asking for a light is like having her give you the lock-in prop. No way I could display that I'm a smoker; I lose all respect for a girl if she smokes or asks for a light.
I'll take an observation about her any day over "got a light."

[Chad Daring]

Bill Clinton, lol, thats classic. So G, whats your take on that though? Would it be obvious you're faking it or could it be done? Should I go buy a pack of smokes and a lighter just as props for this weekend?

[Jack Frost]

Here is the line and its results applied shits deadly
http://goingdolo.wordpress.com/2010/12/1...to-cancer/

[Gmac]

The Non-Smoker's version of The Greatest Opener of All Time: "Need a light?"

Just carry a classy Zippo on your person at all times. Money.

[Vicious]

I laughed hard at "The Bill clinton Opener". Haha!