[Fortis]

OH I know. I only do that if I've been drinking and just want to fuck with people. I usually only go "deep" on people who have shown themselves to be capable of introspection beyond "what's for dinner tonight?"

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-11-2015 04:44 AM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

And when I mentioned the world "danger" it's because I find it harder and harder to connect with people nowadays. Almost EVERYONE is mediocre at best. Being in the red pill is a lonely place.

I suggest you mentally-reframe 'Loneliness' into 'Liberation', and realise how lucky you are. Most people are slaves to their vices: too lazy to improve and too spiteful to want anyone they associate with to improve either.

You can take this two ways: my Game Mentor is a True +4 SD Genius. He cannot recognise loneliness, because he is capable of entertaining himself by working towards his goals or focusing on things that interest him. He doesn't need to socialise, but when he wants sex, he simply goes out and gets it easily-enough, because Game was simply something he studied out of interest and mastered.

Myself: I'm somewhere in the middle. As I'm aging, I've realised there is little entertainment value for me from Television or Movies: because I know whatever I'd focus on instead is simply more interesting or more rewarding. I'd rather entertain myself that have someone attempt to entertain me.

That being said, I do enjoy company and can have genuine relationships with 'safe' thinkers: I simply choose to interact with them on a shallower level than I would with someone I consider 'awake'. As you wouldn't try to discuss Philosophy with a dog, nor should you try to discuss self-improvement with those who are content to be lazy, (and, trust me on this, the lazy love to complain about their station and talk about how they want to improve themselves. Do not confuse these people for those who are seeking genuine advice from you. Lazy people talk to rationally-justify their lack of effort to themselves and their audience: it's shame-negation. With experience, you recognise whose minds are open to change, and whose minds are already closed off to change).

I can find genuine-enjoyment in the company of the physically or intellectually lazy, because I accept them for what they are, don't try to change them, and refuse to conform to their negative patterns of thinking. Just let them talk, and keep doing what you know is right. The majority of women you meet in life will be the laziest creatures you can imagine.

That being said, like attracts like, and, trust me, other non-conformist thinkers will notice you in the crowd as you continue to improve yourself, and these connections are where you can be your unfettered self.

Quote:

I enjoy and strive to become better in every aspect of life. But I'd like to promote this way of life. However I find it very hard to unplug other people. And it's frustrating.

This is the main danger with the transition into the Neo-Masculine lifestyle: a lot of guys starts evangelising with the fervour of born-again Christians, thus irritating the hell out of everyone around them. Nobody likes being preached at. Part of cultivating Neo-Masculinity is learning how to be Charismatic and Charming in Social Situations. Stop at think before you speak: "If I was speaking about Scientology, how would my audience react?" Your mailman doesn't need to know about negging.

[Nascimento]

Sucks to see how some of your closest friends and family are just like everyone else.

But you learn to embrace it and accept them despite their flaws.

[Edelweiss]

(05-11-2015 10:06 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 04:44 AM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

And when I mentioned the world "danger" it's because I find it harder and harder to connect with people nowadays. Almost EVERYONE is mediocre at best. Being in the red pill is a lonely place.

I suggest you mentally-reframe 'Loneliness' into 'Liberation', and realise how lucky you are. Most people are slaves to their vices: too lazy to improve and too spiteful to want anyone they associate with to improve either.

You can take this two ways: my Game Mentor is a True +4 SD Genius. He cannot recognise loneliness, because he is capable of entertaining himself by working towards his goals or focusing on things that interest him. He doesn't need to socialise, but when he wants sex, he simply goes out and gets it easily-enough, because Game was simply something he studied out of interest and mastered.

Myself: I'm somewhere in the middle. As I'm aging, I've realised there is little entertainment value for me from Television or Movies: because I know whatever I'd focus on instead is simply more interesting or more rewarding. I'd rather entertain myself that have someone attempt to entertain me.

That being said, I do enjoy company and can have genuine relationships with 'safe' thinkers: I simply choose to interact with them on a shallower level than I would with someone I consider 'awake'. As you wouldn't try to discuss Philosophy with a dog, nor should you try to discuss self-improvement with those who are content to be lazy, (and, trust me on this, the lazy love to complain about their station and talk about how they want to improve themselves. Do not confuse these people for those who are seeking genuine advice from you. Lazy people talk to rationally-justify their lack of effort to themselves and their audience: it's shame-negation. With experience, you recognise whose minds are open to change, and whose minds are already closed off to change).

I can find genuine-enjoyment in the company of the physically or intellectually lazy, because I accept them for what they are, don't try to change them, and refuse to conform to their negative patterns of thinking. Just let them talk, and keep doing what you know is right. The majority of women you meet in life will be the laziest creatures you can imagine.

That being said, like attracts like, and, trust me, other non-conformist thinkers will notice you in the crowd as you continue to improve yourself, and these connections are where you can be your unfettered self.

Quote:

I enjoy and strive to become better in every aspect of life. But I'd like to promote this way of life. However I find it very hard to unplug other people. And it's frustrating.

This is the main danger with the transition into the Neo-Masculine lifestyle: a lot of guys starts evangelising with the fervour of born-again Christians, thus irritating the hell out of everyone around them. Nobody likes being preached at. Part of cultivating Neo-Masculinity is learning how to be Charismatic and Charming in Social Situations. Stop at think before you speak: "If I was speaking about Scientology, how would my audience react?" Your mailman doesn't need to know about negging.

Brilliant answer.

[Foolsgo1d]

My personal dangers of red pill;

- You appreciate how rare a relationship can be. I see with my parents and their generation and fight the urge to say "fuck it!" when I see my own

- You dislike the fact you're just another statistic to the government and a potential provider for a woman and children regardless of how you start out

- People will not like your views on the world for the most part. Pointing out things in sex, relationships and politics is a recipe for disaster under normal conditions. You try and tell the masses about what you really think and a cold shoulder awaits. Not that I really care but it can affect you.

[H1N1]

A major danger of 'The Red Pill' is that all you ever do is talk about it on the internet, or get upset about 'decline' and god knows what, and walk around feeling angry and disenfranchised. Congratulations, you're now exactly the same as the leftist SJWs who allow themselves to be ruled by emotion and a righteous sense of injustice. I think that irony is often lost on many of us, and I've certainly been guilty of it in the past.

And this is the danger, that 'The Red Pill' becomes something you feel about, or talk about, but don't actually think hard enough about or do enough about. You can talk about shagging more girls, or partying harder, or owning more things, or moving to SEA where everything will be gravy, but in many ways all of these things are unbecoming as goals in themselves for a man of potential. All of these things are fine, and even desirable if you're that way inclined, as incidental happenings within the larger tapestry of a life that you are actually trying to do something with.

As a man you should be building and mastering, with everything you do. It doesn't matter if you are a gardener or a banker, you should be mastering what you do and building towards something. And this is a fundamental flaw of 'The Red Pill', that is EXACTLY the same fundamental flaw of the intellectual left, in that all it offers for the most part is criticism and mud-slinging, without placing enough emphasis on something to aim for, to build towards, to achieve.

Everywhere you look on the 'Manosphere' there are blogs and articles and comments about how 95% of women aren't worth a damn. Again, the irony, 95% of men aren't worth a damn, and a lot of the blogs pushing you stuff saying 'you're special and intelligent otherwise you couldn't have stumbled across this part of the internet' are selling you something, you just may not realise it because they are blowing smoke up your arse while they sell you books on 'location independence' or whatever.

In my view, this side of 'The Red Pill' is a huge fucking cop out that stops you ever really having to commit to anything or anyone, or to actually fucking struggling to make a success for yourself, or to build a dynasty for yourself as best you can, with the means you have at your disposal. And achieving anything of worth IS a struggle. You think it's EVER been easy to meet a really quality girl who shares your values and enriches your life and who with you raises your own little tribe, the sum of which could exceed anyone else's? That shit would have been damn fucking hard 3000 years ago, and it still is now. There are some very bright, articulate, and thoughtful people in this community, many of whom clearly seem to have their shit together. There are also a lot who are over grown children talking about how much life is stacked against them, and how all girls are worthless sex objects, and how they are all (fucking thousands of them) going to go to Thailand and live off ebook proceeds.

We've just finished aesthetics week in the 'Manosphere', and if you want the Vita Beata you must actually be ABOUT something yourself, not just be about talking about it on the internet waiting for some collapse or someone to come along and make everything better for you. There are some awesome people on here, many live within hailing distance of each other, yet it seems relatively few are doing anything to build tribe, to invest in creating a real community that they contribute to and work with towards similar ends.

Ultimately the danger of 'The Red Pill' is that all you ever do is tell other people on the internet how smart you are, and bitch about how bad we've got it in the current environment. There's no doubt that it's a bad time to be traditionally minded, and that it is damn hard to find people worth a damn, but hard is not an excuse and if you're really 'Red Pill' you have no business making excuses, you should be out there building something. For me personally, that means my own dynasty - family and friends, tribe. It means adding value and helping others succeed, so that they in turn can help raise me up higher. 'The Red Pill' is in many respects a wonderful thing, but you can get awfully caught up in intellectual masturbation without ever finding yourself a purpose and devoting you life to it.

[Blackwell]

God damn H1N1.

I really feel like we are on the same wave length here. I've been having a lot of similar thoughts recently.

But I couldn't have articulated it as well as you just did.

One of the best posts I've read in some time.

+ 1

[ThrustMaster]

Yeah try taking the Red Pill in a decade(s) long marriage, not a recipe for happiness. Sure is getting me laid like tile by the woman though 6/7 nights a week. Still the goggles fall off. In many ways I wish I could get plugged back into the Matrix - but not really.

[lemko]

The only danger I see about the red pill is that I didn't know about it at least 30 years ago when I was a young guy. I'd have avoided a lot of stupid and costly mistakes.

[CleanSlate]

In my opinion, the main danger of the Red Pill is you can easily drown yourself in negativity and never come back up.

Being blue pill is like being in a comfortable bubble with ignorant bliss. But once the bubble pops, you see the good, bad, and ugly of the world. Between the time they swallow the red pill and the time they reach true acceptance, they are at their most vulnerable upon a major cross roads of their life.

[Socrates]

(05-13-2015 07:59 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

In my opinion, the main danger of the Red Pill is you can easily drown yourself in negativity and never come back up.

Being blue pill is like being in a comfortable bubble with ignorant bliss.

That's only partially true, though. I can't speak for everyone, but my experience with the blue pill was partly "ignorance is bliss" and partly an amalgamation of underlying confusion and frustration. I was "doing everything right". I was the nicest husband anyone had ever seen. If any conflict or problems came up I just kept doubling down on the niceness until I was about to explode. And yet nothing worked long term. My wife got more and more depressed and unhappy and neither of us knew why.

So, yeah there were some good times in there, but it isn't viable long term. At least not without one of the parties suffering for it. Some people can keep taking the suffering and gently slide into their grave never awakening. But it isn't always comfortable. It is simply tolerated.

I believe the blue pill mostly equals unhappy guys who are trying to do what they've been told is the right thing, but not getting the gratitude they've been told should be attached to that right thing. And typically the woman doesn't know why things aren't better either. She is lied to by society as much or more than the men are. I have a career, a "nice" husband... but I don't feel fulfilled or happy. WTF? So you keep going over the equation thinking you've missed some detail.

Nice Spouse... check.
House... check
Career... check
Kids.... check
Happiness... hmm.... looks around.... nowhere to be seen. Should I be NICER? Do we need a different house? More vacations? What is going on!?? But the equation never works out. You're rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

[Canopus]

Believing that all the qualities you liked about yourself before "taking the Red Pill" are to now be scorned, despised, and discarded.

[PapiPG]

The more I learn about TRP and about myself and my folly..the agrier I become.

And I'm struggling extremely hard not to be bitter and resentful. But I am very much aware that it was I who made the choices I made.

I gave my time, energy, tears, devotion, and loyalty to intellectually dull, faithless and morally bankrupt, lying, libertine women...and even when I thought I was grasping some RP concepts, I did it again. And I'm trying hard not to self-flagellate, not to go hack that ones email or tell the other ones boss that she lied about her credentials and that she didn't even graduate High School, much less have a certificate in Project Management or to tell the one girls ex that she cheated on him and lied about being abused so she could get rid of him knowing she was about to get a settlement from a lawsuit and didn't want to share any of it with him...

Yes I'm trying to be a 'good Christian man' who gets angry, but 'sins not', who examines himself and his folly, takes personal responsibility for his own poor choices, and rises above all of the mess he's encountered over the majority of years of his adult life.

I'm trying...

So I've immersed myself in a few things... going back to get an MBA, training in Krav Maga, found a cool guitar teacher and even learning to dance salsa..

But still I get mad and sometimes I even cry...

I'm trying..

I'm told that right now I may be at war with my ego. I know I've always been a good, righteous, dude...and I wonder if that was just a mistake in striving so hard to be that...

[catoblepa]

I've always known that only few people have the energy, determination and perseverance to succeed and stick out of the crowd, what I didn't know were the basic laws of attraction between the opposite genders. growing up I was exposed to a lot of conflicting messages that let me confused and made realize that our society is purposely muddying the water in that regard.

[Wutang]

(05-13-2015 10:44 AM)PapiPG Wrote:  

The more I learn about TRP and about myself and my folly..the agrier I become.

And I'm struggling extremely hard not to be bitter and resentful. But I am very much aware that it was I who made the choices I made.

I gave my time, energy, tears, devotion, and loyalty to intellectually dull, faithless and morally bankrupt, lying, libertine women...and even when I thought I was grasping some RP concepts, I did it again. And I'm trying hard not to self-flagellate, not to go hack that ones email or tell the other ones boss that she lied about her credentials and that she didn't even graduate High School, much less have a certificate in Project Management or to tell the one girls ex that she cheated on him and lied about being abused so she could get rid of him knowing she was about to get a settlement from a lawsuit and didn't want to share any of it with him...

Yes I'm trying to be a 'good Christian man' who gets angry, but 'sins not', who examines himself and his folly, takes personal responsibility for his own poor choices, and rises above all of the mess he's encountered over the majority of years of his adult life.

I'm trying...

So I've immersed myself in a few things... going back to get an MBA, training in Krav Maga, found a cool guitar teacher and even learning to dance salsa..

But still I get mad and sometimes I even cry...

I'm trying..

I'm told that right now I may be at war with my ego. I know I've always been a good, righteous, dude...and I wonder if that was just a mistake in striving so hard to be that...

Stay strong bro.

Keep up with the MBA, guitar playing, and other accomplishments that will provide you with a positive feedback loop as you keep improving and you'll find yourself over the anger phase.

The fact that you are examining yourself and not blaming outside factors for what happened to you and instead are realizing that you are who you are today because of choices you made in the past already places you way above the majority of people who will shift all responsibility to society, to "the man", to the "patriarchy", frat bros, immigrants, their ex boyfriend/girlfriend rather than do some soul searching.

If the choices you made in the past made you who are you are today, then the choices you make today will make you who you become in the future. Sounds like you are making some good choices right now.

[MMX2010]

(05-13-2015 11:38 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 10:44 AM)PapiPG Wrote:  

The more I learn about TRP and about myself and my folly..the agrier I become.

So I've immersed myself in a few things... going back to get an MBA, training in Krav Maga, found a cool guitar teacher and even learning to dance salsa..

But still I get mad and sometimes I even cry...

I'm trying..

Stay strong bro.

Keep up with the MBA, guitar playing, and other accomplishments that will provide you with a positive feedback loop as you keep improving and you'll find yourself over the anger phase.

Agree with everything Wutang has said and will add one more.

I've only been seriously dedicating myself to the Red Pill for about six months, and consistently working out and chasing your dreams is so important because it creates this "Stronger Everyday" feedback loop that Wutang mentioned.

Never lose the habits that create this feedback loop. Never.

[Vitriol]

I don't know if you guys saw this, but this thread is basically the most recent post on the Rational Male:

http://therationalmale.com/2015/05/12/th...-red-pill/

Quote:

Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill, but the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.

I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.

I personally haven't had much backlash from expressing what I think of as "the truth," but I guess some people have to maintain appearances in certain contexts and it can start to get dangerous.

[MMX2010]

(05-13-2015 09:59 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

I don't know if you guys saw this, but this thread is basically the most recent post on the Rational Male:

I saw it, and my immediate thought was, "If Rollo, muther-effin, Tomassi needs to show restraint in advocating the red pill perspective, then we all have to show similar restraint."

[Vitriol]

(05-13-2015 10:10 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 09:59 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

I don't know if you guys saw this, but this thread is basically the most recent post on the Rational Male:

I saw it, and my immediate thought was, "If Rollo, muther-effin, Tomassi needs to show restraint in advocating the red pill perspective, then we all have to show similar restraint."

I guess it really depends on your career, personal aspirations, and what people you need to play nice around in order to not shoot yourself in the foot. It's probably more an issue of discretion. The guys who you are friends with probably won't get pissed at you for talking about these issues, but you might need to tread carefully around certain acquaintances or business associates (in other words, people who you might not know or trust personally so well, but you're stuck with by circumstance).

I'm fairly fortunate that all of my male family members and friends pretty much "get it" in some sense even if they don't have any significant depth in studying these issues. I really haven't had to hide it much. Many attractive females also seem to understand the sexual marketplace very well because they've had a bird's eye view from a young age that most people never see.

[Nightwing]

I'd say that sharing your views can probably get you blacklisted when searching for employment. Be smart, many people are content living in their fantasy worlds too, it's not about agreeing with your views, it could burst their comfort bubble, and drive them into madness because the world is not what they once thought it would be.

I agree, we should create a red pill gated community for all the red pill members to mingle, raise a family, and create a dynasty, a legacy.

By going to SEA, we would be going to communities where there are still traces of the red pill left, and we could reinvigorate it with new life. I'm not saying all is lost in the anglosphere, but when you have prominent power-players on the other field in public (while in secret they are probably tyrants), well... We aren't well-equipped.

We must ask ourselves, is the anglosphere really worth it? Is it worth the stress, the humilation we put on ourselves as we see it crumble? We see our role as men lessening, but is it really our fault, or that of our forefathers? That of the corrupt? Those with agendas?

I'd say going elsewhere develops your knowledge further, and helps you bide your time, build your strength. Who knows, but some people are just content elsewhere too.

We are more and more looking for the short-term solution: Escape. However, can we build something from this escape? If one day we can pool our resources, we could start a new community with our goals, and aspirations.

[Wutang]

Something I would caution against is linking someone directly to say a RoK post.

A lot of people's first exposure to Roosh or RoK or Matt Forney is because of one of the troll posts they have done ie. some girl they know shared one of their infamous articles on Facebook or Twitter along with comments like of "OMG how offensive is this how can this shitlord say this about fat women/tattooed women/women who have 5 kids from 3 different men/etc". Or they first encountered one of these articles from a "journalist" such as Manboobz or from one of the mainstream media outlets doing a hit piece on Roosh with the purpose of getting clicks using one of the most popular journalistic tactics of all time: generating outrage and taking advantage of many people's inclination to "hate read". Rather then presenting these writers in a fair light they have preemptively poisoned the well so anyone who takes the time to read the article has already been programmed to automatically dismiss it as nothing but then the ravings of a fedora neckbeard/a cis-scum shitlord/a MRA Nazi misogynist/(insert standard anti-RP archetype here).

Instead what you should do is sum up a particular idea or concept in the manosphere and present it to who ever you are talking to - even better is if this concept would help him with whatever problem he is going through with the time. If he receives the message well, you can pull back more and more of the veil. Eventually he might be ready to take the RP in pure form. You'll have to be the judge of when is the right time to drop the bomb on him.

[amity]

One of the sobering effects of having taken the Red Pill is that you can now see things for how they really are, not what you have told yourself they are.
It's quite shocking and disheartening when you begin to see just how ingrained blue pill thinking is in society.
This really hit home for me in the last few weeks, in relation to something that's happening in my country at the moment (I won't go into it here, so as not to derail the thread).
It's not so much peoples' opinions on issues, but their lack of awareness.
Most people are content to accept that surface level, mainstream narrative.
I've learned now that many are just not ready to have their eyes opened, most will never be, and some others will get angry if you challenge their blue pill beliefs.

On the flipside, the few people I have met in recent times, who are awake, it's a real connection when you meet people who have woken up or are waking up and it definitely gives you impetus to stay on the right track.