[Fortis]

I was being a bit facetious with my post, guys. I don't condone the inevitable violence that follows rioting. But I am serious when I say that there must be a better way for people to express their dissatisfaction with the current police administration. Rioting, too often, leaves the very neighborhood it began in worse off than before the riots. Just think about Newark.

[ElJefe1]

Recognizing someone with a past isn't a legal reason to stop, and detain someone that's violating his civil rights you know that stuff that makes the U.S. a "free" country.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-27-2015 12:05 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I was being a bit facetious with my post, guys. I don't condone the inevitable violence that follows rioting. But I am serious when I say that there must be a better way for people to express their dissatisfaction with the current police administration. Rioting, too often, leaves the very neighborhood it began in worse off than before the riots. Just think about Newark.

Peaceful but ominous protests could theoretically make an impression on the authorities. But personally I would not take part in anyone. Botch Canadian, US as well as EU governments have been caught multiple times at orchestrating violent protests - they had undercover cops or trained hooligans initiate violence in order to break it up with force. They know that 200.000 people marching towards the mayor's office - best even with lit torches at night - all of this would leave an impression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
http://roarmag.org/2011/06/riot-police-b...-violence/

So of course this won't happen and I would not go there as this can be co-opted in many ways. I am not saying that this happened in Baltimore now. If the youth is stupid enough to start demolishing cars and stores, all the better.

[Sherman]

I have yet to see one of these cases that doesn't involve resisting arrest. And the guy was caught carrying a switchblade. Criminals are 100 times for authoritarian than the police. If you don't hand over your wallet, the thug will just shoot you in the face and feel fully justified for doing it because you didn't follow his instructions. The cop will treat you well if you just follow his orders.

If a victim gets shot in the face by a thug, he gets no compensation and ends up living a hard life in poverty. If a thug gets beat up by cops he can end up with a million dollars. The elites like George Soros and the leftist media are painting the narrative that police are a problem, and most people now fully believe the imaginary world presented to them by the media. The false reality is made possible by what they don't show you - all the victims of real crimes.

This mother of four was shot for fighting back when a thug tried to steal her purse. Why isn't there any protest against authoritarian thugs? When they have the gun, they expect to be obeyed.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/201.../26227625/

The cops are the only men left in America which is why they are being attacked.

[Fortis]

(04-27-2015 12:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:05 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I was being a bit facetious with my post, guys. I don't condone the inevitable violence that follows rioting. But I am serious when I say that there must be a better way for people to express their dissatisfaction with the current police administration. Rioting, too often, leaves the very neighborhood it began in worse off than before the riots. Just think about Newark.

Peaceful but ominous protests could theoretically make an impression on the authorities. But personally I would not take part in anyone. Botch Canadian, US as well as EU governments have been caught multiple times at orchestrating violent protests - they had undercover cops or trained hooligans initiate violence in order to break it up with force. They know that 200.000 people marching towards the mayor's office - best even with lit torches at night - all of this would leave an impression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
http://roarmag.org/2011/06/riot-police-b...-violence/

So of course this won't happen and I would not go there as this can be co-opted in many ways. I am not saying that this happened in Baltimore now. If the youth is stupid enough to start demolishing cars and stores, all the better.

that's exactly it, though. if the government is using such underhanded tactics to break up peaceful protests then what can be done that doesn't devolve into violence?

That Agent provocateur shit is scary. I don't participate, but that made me even less likely to in the future.

[Basil Ransom]

"Criminals are 100 times for authoritarian than the police. "

Lol. So if the pope doesn't molest children, he's a saint? If a teacher of mentally retarded children can barely spell, but she's still better than her students, she's a great teacher? Why are you making criminal behavior the standard by which you judge cops? That's a pretty low bar - maybe you think cops are animals who can't do any better?

[Kingsley Davis]

   

[MidniteSpecial]

The system isn't broken. It works just right. I can look at the products of this system and define them, but can I blame them? I don't know... I really can't. First off I am not them. Second, I know why they have become what they are.

It's easy to look at minorites in poverty and point the finger and call them animals etc.... but how about asking why they are in this position in the first place?

Once you get it...it's hard to call names and say "how could they do this!?"

Despite all the rage they are still just rats in the cage.

Take a look at this... Very informative piece called "bastards of the party" about Black people in America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuG5_oca...7193C95F0A

[Blaster]

(04-27-2015 10:10 AM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  

Why was this guy even on the street with a rap sheet that long?

Did you notice the gaps in the record? Nothing from 2009-2012. Might have been in prison during that time.

Also: no violent offenses or anything that suggests he's anything but a low-level street dealer.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Here's a live feed from the scene where there's been some unrest. It's being done by a Baltimore Sun reporter. This is as of 4 p.m. Monday. Could go down anytime.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/Vx_AQTE2ODQxN...kRfLbefw9m

[Enigma]

(04-27-2015 12:20 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

I have yet to see one of these cases that doesn't involve resisting arrest.

Are you even aware of the circumstances surrounding this case? All of the officers and bystanders have agreed that he did not forcibly resist arrest.

He ran but was not wanted and has not been charged with any crime. When they pursued, he gave himself up.

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And the guy was caught carrying a switchblade.

The knife he was carrying was legal, hence why he hasn't been charged with a crime.

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Criminals are 100 times for authoritarian than the police.

Criminals are not a ruling party, which is what authoritarianism refers to.

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If a victim gets shot in the face by a thug, he gets no compensation and ends up living a hard life in poverty. If a thug gets beat up by cops he can end up with a million dollars. The elites like George Soros and the leftist media are painting the narrative that police are a problem, and most people now fully believe the imaginary world presented to them by the media. The false reality is made possible by what they don't show you - all the victims of real crimes.

I've already posted a link to an article detailing the Baltimore police's long history of regular police brutality, extortion, etc., including incidents against minors, the elderly, and pregnant women.

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This mother of four was shot for fighting back when a thug tried to steal her purse. Why isn't there any protest against authoritarian thugs? When they have the gun, they expect to be obeyed.

Again, "thugs" can not be "authoritarian". That's why there aren't protests against them.

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The cops are the only men left in America which is why they are being attacked.

[Game_Started]

(04-27-2015 10:01 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I will leave you gents with this:

In a more free society, the only valid arrests there would be burglary and possession of stolen property.

[Enigma]

Are these "real crimes"?

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Even animals couldn't escape the brutality of the Baltimore police last year. In July, "Officer Thomas Schmidt, a 24-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Services unit, was placed on paid administrative leave after police say he held down a Shar-Pei while a fellow officer, Jeffrey Bolger, slit the dog's throat." A month later, a Baltimore police officer plead guilty "to a felony animal cruelty charge after he fatally beat and choked his girlfriend's Jack Russell terrier," an August 5 article noted. The very same year, even one of Baltimore's good cops couldn't escape the horror show of dead animals: "Four investigators from agencies outside Baltimore are working to determine who left a dead rat on the car windshield of an officer who was cooperating with prosecutors on a police brutality case."

What about the prior year?

There was a murder-suicide, with a policeman killing a firefighter, his girlfriend, and himself. There was a different officer who killed himself in jail after being charged with killing his fiancée. In yet another case, "Abdul Salaam, 36, says he was beaten in July 2013 after a traffic stop by officers Nicholas Chapman and Jorge Bernardez-Ruiz and that he never got a response to his complaint filed with internal affairs," The Sun reported. "Those officers would be implicated less than three weeks later in the death of 44-year-old Tyrone West while he was in police custody." Also in 2013, a jury acquitted an off-duty police officer on manslaughter charges after he chased down and killed a 17-year-old boy who may or may not have thrown a rock that thumped harmlessly into his front door. And that's not even getting into serious corruption that wasn't brutality.

I could go on, but I've long since started to skim past stories like "Baltimore police officer pimps out his own wife" (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html) and thinking, meh, I've seen worse from cops there. The cop who shot himself and lied about it to get worker's comp benefits? Meh, at least he didn't shoot someone else and then lie about what happened. There is just a staggering level of dysfunction in the department, and residents of Baltimore, a city that could use a professional crime-fighting force if ever there was one, have suffered under it year after year after year. Pick one. (Take 2008! A Baltimore cop shot a man twice in the back. He was acquitted, too.)

[Chowder Head]

Fuck! All hell is breaking loose in Baltimore! These kids are attacking cop cars. Unreal.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

[quote='Enigma' pid='1008897' dateline='1430166793']
Are these "real crimes"?

[quote]Even animals couldn't escape the brutality of the Baltimore police last year. In July, "Officer Thomas Schmidt, a 24-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Services unit, was placed on paid administrative leave after police say he held down a Shar-Pei while a fellow officer, Jeffrey Bolger, slit the dog's throat."

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Holding down such a dog and slitting it's throat was likely self-defense.

So many scum among humankind and now it gets systematically supported and encouraged.

I'm off.

[speakeasy]

(04-27-2015 12:20 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

I have yet to see one of these cases that doesn't involve resisting arrest. And the guy was caught carrying a switchblade. Criminals are 100 times for authoritarian than the police. If you don't hand over your wallet, the thug will just shoot you in the face and feel fully justified for doing it because you didn't follow his instructions. The cop will treat you well if you just follow his orders.

If a victim gets shot in the face by a thug, he gets no compensation and ends up living a hard life in poverty. If a thug gets beat up by cops he can end up with a million dollars. The elites like George Soros and the leftist media are painting the narrative that police are a problem, and most people now fully believe the imaginary world presented to them by the media. The false reality is made possible by what they don't show you - all the victims of real crimes.

This mother of four was shot for fighting back when a thug tried to steal her purse. Why isn't there any protest against authoritarian thugs? When they have the gun, they expect to be obeyed.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/201.../26227625/

The cops are the only men left in America which is why they are being attacked.

I agree. I know there are crooked cops out there. But I've never been treated with disrespect by a cop in my life. So I'm not going to come up with all this phoney outrage toward them just to feel like I'm part of some movement. I'm not worried about cops.

When I read about someone getting shot in an armed robbery, why aren't we throwing trashcans through the window of that guy's car? I see people smashing windows of cop cars and stores. Why is there not a mob of people doing this for the neighborhood dope peddlers and gang members? People are very selective in their outrage.

[TheWastelander]

The Baltimore cops responsible for killing Freddie Gray are scum. However, these looters should be shot in the streets. These assholes make the neighborhood worse for every poor person still stuck there after the damaged businesses move rather than rebuild.

[Goldin Boy]

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(04-27-2015 12:20 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

I have yet to see one of these cases that doesn't involve resisting arrest.

I don't think you're looking hard enough. Oscar Grant got shot in the head by an officer while handcuffed behind his back on his knees in front of other cops and citizens. You can go to YouTube to see the footage of the shooting.

Or the guy in NJ who got his ass kicked for standing on the corner with an unzipped jacket. In 4 seconds between the order to close his jacket and the ass kicking he didn't resist because there was no arrest to resist.

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And the guy was caught carrying a switchblade. Criminals are 100 times for authoritarian than the police. If you don't hand over your wallet, the thug will just shoot you in the face and feel fully justified for doing it because you didn't follow his instructions. The cop will treat you well if you just follow his orders.

I'm not saying he's innocent but carrying a switchblade is different they weilding it. The cops say his broken spinal cord was from a "rough ride". Bones don't break and going over potholes.

I'm skeptical as to how much of fight a handcuffed perp in leg irons can put up after the Cops already stomped a mud hole in him. The crux of the issue is that the force in the vehicle seems excessive to anything that he could've realistically done. Based on the info I've read it sounds like brutality but that could change as more info is revealsed.

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If a victim gets shot in the face by a thug, he gets no compensation and ends up living a hard life in poverty. If a thug gets beat up by cops he can end up with a million dollars.

This is like complaining about a millionaire pays more taxes than a guy making $40K annually. The party with more money has the greater abilty to pay.

The hoodlums aren't in the employ of the municipal government and don't have huge pensions and unions. Even if you do sue the knucklehead, you get nothing because he's broke, not becuase the system doesn't want you get monetary restitution or is protecting him.

[Baldwin81]

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/demonstrators...d=13807846

^ Here is a live feed of a local station.

[Sonsowey]

It's been intimated in a lot of things I've read that these riots are certainly good for business for CNN, NYTimes, etc. and thus are being encouraged.

Yet you'll notice when Eric Garner was killed for what was shown to be basically nothing, there were no riots in NYC. There were peaceful demonstrations, but all these justifications you see for rioting and looting were strangely absent when the locale was not middle-of-nowhere, Mo, and became NYC. Suddenly calls for restraint were the order of the day.

When someone killed 2 NYPD officers, you might think that could have set off a powder keg, seeing the unrest in Ferguson at the time and what has since happened in Baltimore.

Yet the media was very successful in keeping NYC safe. Baltimore burning is great for their business but you have to imagine they will at least keep NYC, DC and hopefully LA out of trouble. For self interest if nothing else.

[urbannomad]

The irony is the first black female attorney just sworn in today. She gonna have to hit the ground running. Every since the Professor Louis Gates arrest POTUS have steer clear of police racial incidents.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

You've gotta love liberals. Never in history have there been bigger hypocrites.

All this past year, the Baltimore-based liberals on my Facebook feed have been pushing "hands-up don't shoot" and "Justice for Michael Brown."

But now that a riot has come to their backyards, they're calling for National Guard presence, wondering why police aren't "doing more," and calling the local protesters/looters "terrorists."

All of this was fine with them...so long as it was happening in someone else's town. Modern liberalism in a nutshell.

[Old Fritz]

The looting is getting much worse. More gang members are getting involved more people are now getting hurt.

You know, I'm starting to see why some countries forbid protest of all kind.

[El Chinito loco]

(04-27-2015 04:51 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

You've gotta love liberals. Never in history have there been bigger hypocrites.

All this past year, the Baltimore-based liberals on my Facebook feed have been pushing "hands-up don't shoot" and "Justice for Michael Brown."

But now that a riot has come to their backyards, they're calling for National Guard presence, wondering why police aren't "doing more," and calling the local protesters/looters "terrorists."

All of this was fine with them...so long as it was happening in someone else's town. Modern liberalism in a nutshell.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if the liberal cock fairy gentrified areas of those urban blight areas got burned out first.

They need to taste the bitter medicine first hand of what multiculturalism really is apart from shitty hashtags, pop culture, and ivory tower ideologies.

These liberals don't understand the animosity and deep anger there that has created an impossible to heal stratified society. They were previously insulated from it so they need to feel it first hand.

[It_is_my_time]

There are still lots of rumors that the National Guard was told to stand down which virtually allowed the protestors to burn large chunks of Ferguson to the ground.

I bet much of this is backed and organized by leftist globalists like George Soros. This will allow them to push their police state and remove freedoms. No protests in NYC or DC, but other cities are fair game.