[AnonymousBosch]

(03-28-2015 07:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

AnonymousBosch ' Wrote:  

Countdown to the first Male Entitlement / Toxic Masculinity Female Typist Queef in 5... 4...

Sure, but to be fair, just as as predictable are the guys in the manosphere saying game could have saved the day. And that conversation has arrived right on schedule. It's a bit hypocritical if we don't acknowledge both. People tend to view the world and talk about it in terms of their own ideologies.

The difference is the opinion of the 'game saves lives' mindset won't be disseminated through every major media outlet; repeated as gospel truth despite any forthcoming evidence to the contrary; used as a Wikipedia Source; and used as talking point in an effort to change public policy.

As I said back during Elliot Rodger thread, some people are just broken: there's nothing you can do to help them, and society now seems disinterested in identifying those who are broken and keeping people safe from them. If anything, they're cultivating a broken mindset further. I'm shocked at just how normalised the mental illness at play in SJW's has become.

[dog]

(03-28-2015 03:12 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 07:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

AnonymousBosch ' Wrote:  

Countdown to the first Male Entitlement / Toxic Masculinity Female Typist Queef in 5... 4...

Sure, but to be fair, just as as predictable are the guys in the manosphere saying game could have saved the day. And that conversation has arrived right on schedule. It's a bit hypocritical if we don't acknowledge both. People tend to view the world and talk about it in terms of their own ideologies.

The difference is the opinion of the 'game saves lives' mindset won't be disseminated through every major media outlet; repeated as gospel truth despite any forthcoming evidence to the contrary; used as a Wikipedia Source; and used as talking point in an effort to change public policy.

As I said back during Elliot Rodger thread, some people are just broken: there's nothing you can do to help them, and society now seems disinterested in identifying those who are broken and keeping people safe from them. If anything, they're cultivating a broken mindset further. I'm shocked at just how normalised the mental illness at play in SJW's has become.

The other issue at hand is the atomisation of society. People used to have some sort of community that would guide them and keep them in check to some degree, even if they were broken.

In the past people had:
- The family - not talking about calling your mom who lives in another state, I'm talking big families with family businesses and cousins who would have your back in a fight and would kick your ass if you did something stupid. There was power in families.
- Religion and church - which developed moral senses, was a place to go to for consultation, help, or to reach out to others. There was power in churches.
- Ethnic communities - which had a distinct ethnic identity and had culture and traditions that you used to bond together with other people.

Western Euro and Anglo people have destroyed all of those and replaced them with nothing.

Here's what we have instead:
- Your job and your coworkers
- Some sort of bizarro moral framework based on progressive ideology and moral relativism
- Social networking

How the hell do any of those institutions provide support, moral guidance, a sense of belonging, a framework for living your life? If you start to lose it, you are fucked, there is nothing there to help correct your path.

[Basement Dweller]

Just read the news that the Germanwings co-pilot went mode 4 whilst flying that plane so immediately came here to see if there was a thread with dudes weighing in on the situation only to find one 7 pages long

The irony of all the effort in security measures post 9/11 only to have those very same security measures work against its intended purpose.

This is an interesting usability case to solve and I see that they are looking at going back to the 'rule of two'.

I remember the days pre 9/11 when cockpit doors used to be left wide open during the flight for passengers to go and meet the crew and see how they operate the plane. Gone are those days.

There always used to be that third navigator guy in there, again the irony of making redundant the one thing that could've saved that flight.

[speakeasy]

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)dog Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 03:12 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 07:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

AnonymousBosch ' Wrote:  

Countdown to the first Male Entitlement / Toxic Masculinity Female Typist Queef in 5... 4...

Sure, but to be fair, just as as predictable are the guys in the manosphere saying game could have saved the day. And that conversation has arrived right on schedule. It's a bit hypocritical if we don't acknowledge both. People tend to view the world and talk about it in terms of their own ideologies.

The difference is the opinion of the 'game saves lives' mindset won't be disseminated through every major media outlet; repeated as gospel truth despite any forthcoming evidence to the contrary; used as a Wikipedia Source; and used as talking point in an effort to change public policy.

As I said back during Elliot Rodger thread, some people are just broken: there's nothing you can do to help them, and society now seems disinterested in identifying those who are broken and keeping people safe from them. If anything, they're cultivating a broken mindset further. I'm shocked at just how normalised the mental illness at play in SJW's has become.

The other issue at hand is the atomisation of society. People used to have some sort of community that would guide them and keep them in check to some degree, even if they were broken.

In the past people had:
- The family - not talking about calling your mom who lives in another state, I'm talking big families with family businesses and cousins who would have your back in a fight and would kick your ass if you did something stupid. There was power in families.
- Religion and church - which developed moral senses, was a place to go to for consultation, help, or to reach out to others. There was power in churches.
- Ethnic communities - which had a distinct ethnic identity and had culture and traditions that you used to bond together with other people.

Western Euro and Anglo people have destroyed all of those and replaced them with nothing.

Here's what we have instead:
- Your job and your coworkers
- Some sort of bizarro moral framework based on progressive ideology and moral relativism
- Social networking

How the hell do any of those institutions provide support, moral guidance, a sense of belonging, a framework for living your life? If you start to lose it, you are fucked, there is nothing there to help correct your path.

To be honest, didn't Eliot Rodgers have those things? He had family taking him to get help. They knew he had a serious problem but there's only so much you can do. I think some people are still going to fall through the cracks.


While I think we are less likely to die at the hands of man than any other time in history, I think we are seeing a rise in the amount of attacks against anonymous, innocent people. Typically by lonely unhinged males. We often go on about barren women in their middle ages, but I think men not having families can cause problems too. I think becoming a father gives you a stake in wanting a safe and stable society for your children. Did any of the 9/11 hijackers have kids? Or the Boston bombers? Or Richard Ramirez? The Beltway Sniper is the only mass murderer I can think of that was killing with his son.

A growing number of unhinged, lone males is going to be a social problem that will manifest in increased random violence against anonymous targets. The rising age of marriage and plummeting fertility rates means more single men with a lot of time on their hands who instead of raising kids and socializing are plotting to take revenge on society for whatever reason of their choosing.

And as for game being a panacea for something like this pilot, he may not have become a playboy, but I think his inner game could've been shored up so that he didn't value the outcome of any one woman to the extent that he did.

[Grange]

In defense of the game saves lives theory...

No one here is saying game is a panacea. Game doesn't save lives by taking the hopelessly mentally ill and teaching them how to interact with people, mostly women, in a better way, thus preventing them from doing violence. Those people need something a lot more specific-psychiatric treatment or whatever. Elliot Rodgers might have been the first kind. It seems like there was no helping him. Game saves lives by taking the marginal cases and making the possibility of success with women and life more attractive than going out in a blaze of glory. Lubitz might have been the first kind but he was able to convince a major airline that he was OK to entrust lives to and to get himself into a relationship with a warm female body, so I doubt he was. He was probably the second kind. The kind game helps.

[Peregrine]

NYT: Germanwings Pilot Andreas Lubitz Sought Treatment for Vision Problems Before Crash, Authorities Say

The one thing he's loved doing since he was 14 is about to be taken away from him, which contributed to his already-depressed state. Losing his girlfriend was the catalyst.

According to a stewardess he was banging, last year he said "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it." For these cases, I'm in favor of bringing back damnatio memoriae. That'll put a damper on the narcissistic suicidal types.

Quote:

As I said back during Elliot Rodger thread, some people are just broken: there's nothing you can do to help them, and society now seems disinterested in identifying those who are broken and keeping people safe from them. If anything, they're cultivating a broken mindset further. I'm shocked at just how normalised the mental illness at play in SJW's has become.

How do you propose to identify "broken" people and keep them from harming people? Preemptively lock them up? Sounds very Minority Report to me.

[Icarus]

(03-28-2015 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I think men not having families can cause problems too.

Of course. That is why monogamy was invented.

[TigerMandingo]

(03-28-2015 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

A growing number of unhinged, lone males is going to be a social problem that will manifest in increased random violence against anonymous targets.

Unbeknownst to them, feminists and progressives have unleashed a deadly and covert virus in the form of frustrated men. The next couple of decades are going to be very VERY interesting.

[dog]

(03-28-2015 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

[snips]

To be honest, didn't Eliot Rodgers have those things? He had family taking him to get help. They knew he had a serious problem but there's only so much you can do. I think some people are still going to fall through the cracks.


While I think we are less likely to die at the hands of man than any other time in history, I think we are seeing a rise in the amount of attacks against anonymous, innocent people. Typically by lonely unhinged males. We often go on about barren women in their middle ages, but I think men not having families can cause problems too. I think becoming a father gives you a stake in wanting a safe and stable society for your children. Did any of the 9/11 hijackers have kids? Or the Boston bombers? Or Richard Ramirez? The Beltway Sniper is the only mass murderer I can think of that was killing with his son.

A growing number of unhinged, lone males is going to be a social problem that will manifest in increased random violence against anonymous targets. The rising age of marriage and plummeting fertility rates means more single men with a lot of time on their hands who instead of raising kids and socializing are plotting to take revenge on society for whatever reason of their choosing.

And as for game being a panacea for something like this pilot, he may not have become a playboy, but I think his inner game could've been shored up so that he didn't value the outcome of any one woman to the extent that he did.

No, Elliot Rodger had no one. His parents were divorced, his father was largely absentee, his mother spoiled him. He had all the material things he could want but none of the immaterial things that a human needs. He didn't have a solid group of friends to correct him or push him in the right direction. He was completely detached from any strong interpersonal relationship. Being dumped off at a therapist for meds and whatever likely-blue-pill nonsense psych doctors spew is not a substitute for communal bonds.

Sure, fatherhood is de-atomising. But a precursor to fatherhood is being able to form a relationship with a willing woman. Our society makes it difficult to achieve that goal: even if you can find a willing woman, having kids in the West carries with it a high financial obligation and high financial risk. An increasingly large number of men aren't able to find a willing woman let alone afford jobs that can meet the financial side of things. The breakdown of the family headed by a man is definitely one of the symptoms, but it doesn't capture the problem completely.

Those examples you give aren't part of the trend of Western beta/omega rage caused by atomisation of society. The 9/11 attacks were directed at a group of religiously and culturally-different foreigners who were considered to be an enemy. Same with the Boston Bombers. The Beltway Sniper motives weren't very clear (possible divorce revenge, possible religious motives). Pure nutsos like Ramirez aren't normal guys, he suffered years of physical abuse as a child. This sort of violence is "normal" and has been around for a while.

The violence of Elliot Rodger and the pilot were perpetrated by relatively normal men and directed at their own people. There's no religious motives, no history of abuse, no political goals. That's why it's new and confusing.

[Guitarman]

(03-28-2015 09:28 AM)atlant Wrote:  

Guitarman Wrote:

I hate to say I told you so but it seems that Game does indeed save lives. Perhaps if this guy had been more of an Alpha and in control of himself, his feelings and his thoughts he could have managed his depression. Been better with the ladies ( instead of such a simp) and this terrible tragedy may never have happened.

Grow up.

No you, grow Up!

This guy killed 149 people because he was depressed and was dumped by some broad. Go figure...

[Guitarman]

(03-28-2015 01:11 PM)michelin Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 08:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Well I guess the "game can save lives" guys were right all along.

Quote:

As the hunt continued for a motive for Lubitz’s mass murder, it also emerged that he had recently split from his girlfriend, and appeared to have made a desperate last attempt to win her back by buying her a brand new Audi car only weeks ago. She appeared to have said no, as the car was never delivered

Glad to know Guitarman and I got it right, even though it was pure speculation.

Lubitz was as Omega as one can get: he put one pussy on a pedestal, got dumped, and instead of gaming some new pussy he massmurdered 149 innocent people.

Sad, but true!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8MO7fkZc5o

[Guitarman]

(03-28-2015 03:02 PM)dog Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 10:23 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Game doesn't save lives.

Dudes like this are so fucked in the head they could never learn enough game to overcome their faggotry.

It depends on how you define Game. If Game is simply seducing women, then what you say is probably true. But if Game is the larger understanding of masculinity and a man's relationship to the world, then I would disagree. I feel like the definition of Game has started to include the latter more and more. Maybe what we've called "Game" in the past has become part of something else now, Roosh's post gives it a name: neomasculinity, and I do think it would have helped.

A big reason why modern men need to learn Game is because our society does not teach men how to be men anymore. Game was just one aspect of a masculine upbringing that was learned through exposure and experience and reinforced with socialization. This was a process that started at boyhood. A large number of traits that we attribute to Game (strength, being opinionated, charming, intelligent, working hard, being witty, not taking shit from others) was simply called "Being a Man" for most of history. It's only because we have now lost it that we have to give it a name and rediscover it.

People like our pilot pal and other males-gone-bad don't form in a vacuum. They are products of a society that not only fails to guide them into manhood but also actively teaches them the wrong way to be a man. All these males on the brink are completely screwed. They have some feeling that something is wrong but they don't know how to deal with it. They don't have the mental tools, moral framework, psychological understanding, or strong community that can steer them away from dark thoughts. And the reason why is because all of those things that could have saved them have been destroyed by our society.

There's tons of these guys out there. We don't hear about them because they usually eat a bullet in private instead of taking out a bunch of people. The rising suicide rate of men is proof of this.

We've effectively built a deranged society that forces men and women to act against their own natures and interests and now we are reaping what we've sown. Someone on this board made the prediction that it's only going to get worse as people become more unhinged, and they have only been proven correct.

So would learning how to be (or act like) a player help a guy like our pilot or Elliot Rodger or any of the unhinged betas and omegas? Probably not. They wouldn't listen. Or they would apply the lessons wrongly. But building a strong masculine identity, moral framework and understanding of the world would have given him a fighting chance.

Dog, you hit the nail straight on the head! That's exactly what I mean by game- Learn to be a man! Everything else will follow.

[AnonymousBosch]

(03-28-2015 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

A growing number of unhinged, lone males is going to be a social problem that will manifest in increased random violence against anonymous targets. The rising age of marriage and plummeting fertility rates means more single men with a lot of time on their hands who instead of raising kids and socializing are plotting to take revenge on society for whatever reason of their choosing.

It's worse than you think.

High on cold and flu medicine here, so excuse the rambling.

The average women has become extremely-masculinised in thought, appearance and behaviour. There's an entire media and advertising machine telling them they're not 'real' women unless they're faux-men, so demand they replace children with cats and career. As such, they're far more aggressive.

Your 8's and 9's retain more femininity are somewhat tainted by this, but it's the bulk of the 5-7 horde that are the problem.

The problem is, all this aggressive, slovenly, swaggering behaviour makes them sexually-repulsive to healthily-socialised heterosexual men, whom, if they were turned on by masculine qualities, would be banging dudes.

Of course, since they're Blue Pill thinkers, seeking such basic instinctual desirable mating qualities in a partner of the opposite sex is only a 'social construct' to them. Progressive types are arrogant, and vastly overestimate both their intelligence and the control they have over the world. It's why they're drawn to a lack of a spiritual core: they 'need' to be God. So 'God' handwaves all traditional gender attractors away, particularly those that require beauty, charm or fitness, and expects the scientific and natural world to conform.

I think I'm underselling the arrogance of that mindset here.

So what happens when the world doesn't conform?

You end up with a vast mate of Unfuckable and Undateable women, since they'd only sexually-appeal to men lacking in masculinity and testosterone. As such, they'd never feel the attract the kind of man 'they deserve'. This is where the ridiculous, desperate fantasy of Ryan Gosling as a Feminist Male comes from. It's beyond pathetic, particularly as they only view him as a High Value Man because he played one in a movie, and, since women have an unhealthy relationship with taking fiction as fact, their mating instincts labelled him as desirable.

This Female Entitlement borne of 'Deserving' what she only wants, not needs, is a birthplace of simmering resentment, and evidences itself in a combative, negative, dismissive attitude to social interaction. We're seeing this everywhere - with what I keep labelling Millennial Dismissive-Avoidant Attachment styles.

It doesn't matter if she's a Chubby Six, and has 80 messages a day from thirsty men waiting on Plenty Of Fish. She'll always believe she deserves better. Hell, she'll probably flick through 79 of those messages without reading them.

Take women who already have anti-social tendencies; can't attract what they believe they deserve; repulse those they believe they should be able to attract; then throw them into an educational system and social media hugbox that reinforces their believed moral, physical and intellectual superiority, and what do you think happens?

You create the Female Gamma: these are the Aggressive Lone Wolf Killers of the future.

The signs are everywhere: The rhetoric of the Social Justice Warrior is Fascist, and their fantasies are consistently-violent. They're trained to hate men, and resent them for not providing them with what they believe they 'deserve'. They possess so little empathy for others they'll readily dogpile even those in their own cliques if they slip up. They're increasingly-atomised to the degree that it's a cliche that they always hate their own families. (Hell, a toxic human being like Jessica Valenti actually thinks it's 'sexist' to even make an effort for supposed loved ones at Christmas).

Nerd Culture has always been about creating safe haven for socially-awkward males, and providing them power fantasies of strength and sexual-virility. D&D, Comics, Video Games. The increasing encroachment of women into this field is simply about socially-awkward women needing the same fantasies.

The hilarious thing about Gamergate is the - spectacularly-ugly women - involved actually think they're the Cool Kids, and they've got higher social value than 'Gamers, not realising that gaming crossed over into the male mainstream ages ago and the Alphas got involved. (I used to play in a 'Left 4 Dead' squad with a Soldier, and a Cage Fighter and whatever 4th we could round up). Men like competing.

Alpha Women have no interest in gaming besides time-killing mobile games. They don't need the power fantasies, and prefer to compete in the real world.

What we have are women who are 5 to 6's at best, like Zoe Quinn (obese, fabulist); Sarah Butts (obese, drug issues, power issues); Leigh Alexander (alcoholic, lesbian, power and race issues); Anita Sarkeesian (dead-eyed TERF socialist on her way to obesity), and their Beta Male enablers in the Media. Throw in a whole mess of ugly women screaming about how they're harassed for being women gamers -all of whom seem to be Trannies - and the only conclusion I can draw is that Rainbow Hair Dye is the Female Neckbeard.

I mean, look at Alexander and her friend. She's not mucking around with a handsome alpha male or Lipstick Lesbian. They're about what I'd expect each other would attract. Like attracts like. She's a Neckbeard.



These are all Socially-Awkward Gamma Women. All of them confuse criticism with harassment, and Sarkeesian won't even debate her ideas.

They need Bioware to make them Degenerate Dating Simulators because they need to fantasise about having Sexual Power.

They need DC and Marvel to make female versions of their male characters so they can fantasies about having the physical power to react to those these disagree with excessive violence.



The violence is very telling, and, as such, I'm never buying my nephew a DC or Marvel comic again. They're for loser men and ugly women.

As faux-male aggression by Gamma Women increases - note the rise of Manslamming - I'm convinced it will turn to Lone Wolf Violence, and possibly Mob Violence. As I've said before, I'm expecting it within 5 years or so, because the Tumblr / University Hothouse of Normalising Insanity has gone into overdrive since 2008.

Basically, I expect to see "But she seemed such a nice girl. Always kept to herself," as a soundbite soon.

[dog]

AB - I think lone wolf behavior is male in nature. It's not in women's nature to act alone. On the other hand, we're already seeing mob behavior in slut walks, in protests against "offensive" speech, online in tumblr blogs and reddit, and so on. So the mob is already here, the only question is if it will turn violent.

We are already seeing the effects of our degenerate anti-human society. Males lashing out in self-immolating rage at those around them is one of the effects. Sexual stratification, plummeting birth and marriage rates, a general feeling of discontentment are also on the list.

It's just that women respond in a different way than men. They aren't shooting up schools or flying airplanes into the ground. There are millions of unhappy barren women trying to follow the propaganda of working a useless corporate 9-5, not-needing-a-man, waiting until their 30s to have kids and are dimly aware that something is wrong. That's why some huge percentage (25%?) are diagnosed with some psychological disorders and are on a cocktail of drugs that Hunter Thompson would think twice before taking.

Will the mob resort to violence? Women and violence always seem strange to me. I have a hard time believing that public female mob violence is a possibility. But privately battering betas or hitting dudes in public as a way to shame them just because they can get away with it seems well within their grasp.

[AnonymousBosch]

But women are becoming men. I expect it to most likely start as Psychotic Pairings of Girls, which has a long tradition in Criminology, as do predatory Lesbian Gangs in schools and prison, but I expect the need to be a Perfect Progressive will eventually isolate women into Lone Wolf behaviour, because, sooner or later, they'll cut everyone off for offending them, even their 'allies'.

(03-28-2015 08:37 PM)dog Wrote:  

Will the mob resort to violence? Women and violence always seem strange to me. I have a hard time believing that public female mob violence is a possibility.

You'd never met Progressive Protestors?

Or watch this:

They'll grow more emboldened and this will eventually turn into physically-stabbing or shooting men.

You have to remember that any woman who has gone through Humanities post 2008 or so has had a deep, irrational hatred of men embedded in her through indoctrination. Hell, your average Journalist hates men and sees them as the creation of all evil in the world, and they're the moderates.

[Nemausus]

I'm not so sure the "Game Saves Lives" argument applies to this case.

More details are emerging about the pilot and his personal life.

Quote:

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was expecting a baby with his teacher girlfriend before the air crash which killed him and 149 others, it has been claimed.

Reports in the German press suggest that Lubitz's unnamed partner had become pregnant by him in recent months.

Bild am Sonntag, the nation's best-selling Sunday paper, said that the woman had broken the the news to her students within the past few weeks.

...

Local residents were unaware of the development and declined to comment on the claims.

It comes a day after an ex-girlfriend of the Germanwings pilot said he had been planning a spectacular gesture to make everyone "remember" who he was.

Maria, 26 (not her real name), told Bild newspaper that when she heard about the crash she remembered that he had said he was going do something "that would change the system" and "make everyone remember" him.

She described him as "tormented" and able to hide secrets.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...child.html

He may not have been a lothario, but he wasn't some sexless loner like Elliot Rodger.

In a case as extreme as this one, I don't think there's one correct narrative that can neatly be applied to explain the actions of Lubitz.

As details emerge, Lubitz seems more like Mark David Chapman (John Lennon's killer) than Elliot Rodger.

[Basement Dweller]

Hmmmm...The plot thickens.

Quote:

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was expecting a baby with his teacher girlfriend before the air crash which killed him and 149 others, it has been claimed.

I wonder if the child was his.

[philosophical_recovery]

(03-29-2015 12:04 PM)Basement Dweller Wrote:  

Hmmmm...The plot thickens.

Quote:

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was expecting a baby with his teacher girlfriend before the air crash which killed him and 149 others, it has been claimed.

I wonder if the child was his.

Just imagine the uproar if it turns out to be someone else's child. I bet the feminists would come out of the woodwork on that one.

That said, this guy sounds like a real piece of work. Clearly, his head was 10 times of fucked up.

[RIslander]

Reports are saying the flight data recorder was found immediately... however the data card was missing. The press is saying it was ejected by the force of the crash... however I find that highly unlikely. What kind of design would it be if this could happen?





Airplanes have a FDR (Flight Data Recorder) which tracks altitude, airspeed, pitch, etc, engine status and the position of every switch. They also have a CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) which records sound in the flight deck.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/....html?_r=0

http://de.sott.net/article/16773-Germanw...-verstreut

Google Translation:

What made me very suspicious when reading the official account is the statement that the wreckage of the German Wings Airbus A320 will have spread to around two square kilometers. This is a fairly large area, if the machine is to be popped into a rock wall. For then would the debris field to be relative small and the wreckage lying at the foot of the wall. I investigated further statements and have found interesting, which is not in the Main Shit media. Witnesses have experienced an "explosion and smoke" before impact. It also debris have been found on the approach route. That would completely change the course of the crash. Burned the aircraft already in the air, it was damaged, it broke apart and therefore crashed?
Witnesses have told the French Air Force, they heard an explosion and smoke from the crashing German Wings A320 seen just before she bounced in the mountains near Digne. A helicopter pilot of the Armée de l'air, which is based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the crash site, reported witnessing the crash course of events would have told him they saw the Airbus and "they heard an explosion and saw smoke".

Although the French authorities did not confirm these reports, the pilot said that the Air Force would have received numerous such homonymous testimony.

The pilot also confirmed debris were found on the approach route to the crash site, which in his opinion indicating parts of the machine "have fallen before impact."

"The zone is to be sought in the rubble fairly locally," he said, "but parts were flying upwards found what something is disturbing," the pilot said in Orange.

The French authorities have used 210 policemen from several departments and nine helicopters for rescue. Two are from the squadron stationed in Orange - one for rescue and recovery, the other for air surveillance - to ensure no prying small aircraft flying over the crash site.

The Vice President for "Sales and Services Europe" Lufthansa ranks the crash of the German Wings machine that cost the lives of 150 people, "provisionally" as an accident. Heike Birlenbach told reporters in Barcelona, ​​"tentatively say, it's an accident. We can not say now."

According to investigators, the Bureau d'Enquête et d'Analyse (BEA), the cockpit voice recorder was found and the content would be evaluated. Then you can hear the sounds in the cockpit. Also, the flight data recorder was found, but the tank was empty. This is very strange for me. A black box with no content?

There are rumors the chip with the data was removed during the night before the rescue workers are pushed out in the morning. Black boxes have a tracking device to locate. Without recording the data of the machine, you can not understand and find out what happened to the flight. Who would have an interest in a cover-up?

If the witness statements are true and debris were found on the way to the crash site, then the flow of the crash is very suspicious. A burning and smoking machine loses parts on the way down? Means either damage to the engine and one of the turbines burning, an explosion by a bomb on board, or the machine was hit by an object, damaged and set on fire.

What could the object be? Hmm, let me think. Very dark can I remember last summer but what was. Oh, what the media have told lies quite large about the cause of Malaysia Airlines MH17 in Ukraine? Was hit by a rocket-BUK the separatists and is therefore left burning to the ground.

In the current case is quite different speculated. No "foul play", but starts from a technical failure, or the machine is flown by "moist air". Icy sensors ... if I already hear the ... are extra but heated, so they do not freeze up. The Fly-By-Wire and the computer would be to blame, or a disc is broken and therefore a sudden pressure drop. What has been done in MH17 immediately find a evil which you attach the crash, here is the other way around, it was the art.



http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/29/fligh...eculation/

When Finucane said it seemed “a little unfair” that Lubitz had been “found guilty more or less overnight,” Cullen explained: “Where I have the difficulty is that a country such as France, which signed up to the international conventions on accident investigation and doing it properly and scientifically, has allowed a magistrate jump to this conclusion without any technical report, without any sign-off from a technical expert. They have done all of this in the absence of the flight data recorder.”

“I’m flying airplanes 26 years,” Cullen said. “I never ever recall an accident such as this where a determination has been made by an authority in 48 hours in the absence of the flight data recorder. It is an extraordinary thing that’s happened.”

[RIslander]

I also found this to be very strange:

• At 10:32 a.m., air traffic controllers contact the plane and receive no answer. Almost at the same time, an alarm goes off in the cockpit saying "sink rate."

at 10:35 am, the airplane is passing through 23,000'.

EGPWS (Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System) alerts are only made while within 2,450 feet of terrain. A male voice will announce SINK RATE or DON'T SINK if excessive negative vertical speed is hit below 2,450 feet radar altitude. It will not occur at high altitudes, where this type of descent routinely happens when ATC asks a pilot to expedite the descent. I cannot find the exact vertical speed that triggers the sounds but I believe it is 2,500'/min. A typical airline descends, at high altitudes, at a rate of 1,000 and 3,000 fpm. Aircraft weight, head/tail winds, and ATC instructions can vary that rate.

This warning occurred while over 10,000 feet away from terrain.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/29/europe/ger...index.html

Source: A320 aircraft operating manual

The Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) generates aural and visual warnings, when one of the following conditions occurs between radio altitudes 30 ft and 2 450 ft.
- Mode 1: Excessive rate of descent.
- Mode 2: Excessive terrain closure rate.
- Mode 3: Altitude loss after takeoff, or go-around.
- Mode 4: Unsafe terrain clearance when not in landing configuration.
- Mode 5: Too far below glideslope.
In addition to the basic GPWS functions, the GPWS has an enhanced function (EGPWS) which provides, based on a worldwide terrain database:
- A Terrain Awareness Display (TAD), which predicts the terrain conflict, and displays the terrain on
the ND.
- A Terrain Clearance Floor (TCF), which improves the low terrain warning during landing.
The EGPWS uses the geometric altitude.
The geometric altitude is calculated by means of a specific algorithm that uses the following as inputs:
The pressure altitude, GPS altitude, radio altitude, and data from the terrain database.
The cockpit loudspeakers broadcast, even if turned off, the aural warning or caution messages associated with each mode.
The audio volume of these messages is not controlled by the loudspeaker volume knobs. (These knobs only allow volume adjustment for radio communication).
PULL UP or GPWS lights, on the Captain and First Officer instrument panels, come on to give a visual indication depending on the engaged GPWS mode.

[speakeasy]

^^^ What kind of material is the black box made from that it can withstand the force of a plane hitting the ground at 500mph while everything else is reduced to shrapnel?

I've also always wondered if it's feasible to have a humongous parachute in the tail of the plane to be deployed in emergencies. Kind of like the parachutes that slow down space capsules after reentering the atmosphere. I know the space shuttle had parachutes in the tail.

[Ensam]

(03-29-2015 05:04 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

^^^ What kind of material is the black box made from that it can withstand the force of a plane hitting the ground at 500mph while everything else is reduced to shrapnel?

I've also always wondered if it's feasible to have a humongous parachute in the tail of the plane to be deployed in emergencies. Kind of like the parachutes that slow down space capsules after reentering the atmosphere. I know the space shuttle had parachutes in the tail.

The problem isn't the existence of a material that can withstand that kind of impact - plenty exist. Moderately thick steel will probably survive fine. The problem is weight. If you made the whole airplane out of something strong enough to survive a crash it'd never be able to get off the ground.

There are plane parachute systems:


The kind of accidents that airliners get into aren't usually the type that would be helped by a parachute. It's almost always controlled flight into terrain. There's a human at the controls actively overriding whatever safety systems are in place either by mistake (Air France 447 crash) or on purpose (as appears to be the case in this situation). As long as safety measures can be overridden by people there will still be accidents caused by people.

[Old Fritz]

I think a friend of mine may have been on that plane. He recently visited Spain to see someone and was supposed to be back in Germany a few days ago. I haven't heard from him since a day before the plane crashed. I'm a bit concerned now.

[Beyond Borders]

^Shit, Man, that's unnerving. I hope he just got distracted somewhere.

[Old Fritz]

(03-29-2015 08:51 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^Shit, Man, that's unnerving. I hope he just got distracted somewhere.

Even more unnerving since he was in Barcelona and was going to Dusseldorf. It's his home. Too many coincidences here. I'm hoping it's just my head playing with me.