[Duke Castile]

As usual VVVV you don't listen very well.

I don't appreciate being told I'm putting pussy on a pedestal. Some women are worth more than others. This is one that I don't want to take advantage of and hurt by being self serving.

I've told you the situation for what it is and you insist on projecting some other scenario on top of it.

I don't know if you read all the parts about her being in intimidating social situations but I find her to be a higher caliber girl and regarding our situation it will workout however it does.

Put it this way, you're 25 (or older) and this girl listens better than you do in her 3rd language. I connect with her just fine.

Learn some social graces.

[Lino]

Fisto I think you behaved like a gentleman, congrats.
I've been in the same situation and I did the same. Apparently she likes you a lot, it's not as if she wanted to get rid of her virginity with any random guy. You are in Colombia to play (inter alia), doing it without causing any damage is preferable. Fucking and leaving a virgin who loves you might destroy her, of course it depends on the girl.
Maybe one day she'll tell you that she just wants to have sex because she likes you and it doesn't matter to her if you stay together or not, then go for it.

I think many guys will tell you you did the wrong choice, it was an easy bang, blablabla but don't regret your choice, if it corresponds to your values then it was the right choice, besides.....it's just a bang

[Merenguero]

(04-13-2015 05:45 PM)Lino Wrote:  

Fisto I think you behaved like a gentleman, congrats.
I've been in the same situation and I did the same. Apparently she likes you a lot, it's not as if she wanted to get rid of her virginity with any random guy. You are in Colombia to play (inter alia), doing it without causing any damage is preferable. Fucking and leaving a virgin who loves you might destroy her, of course it depends on the girl.

I was in a similar situation last year. This girl in Mexico wasn't a virgin, but lost her virginity at age 22 and definitely wouldn't have had sex with a guy unless she saw a real future with him. I eventually had sex with her and I knew she was going to be really clingy, but I didn't care because I enjoyed her company. We kept in touch after I got back to the United States and I eventually had to have the "I think we should just be friends" talk with her. At that point, she was totally okay with it and we remain friends to this day. I saw her on two subsequent Mexico trips I made and she was actually going to join me in Las Vegas for the Mayweather fight, but she is a little tied up with work.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(04-13-2015 05:16 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

As usual VVVV you don't listen very well.

I don't appreciate being told I'm putting pussy on a pedestal. Some women are worth more than others. This is one that I don't want to take advantage of and hurt by being self serving.

I've told you the situation for what it is and you insist on projecting some other scenario on top of it.

I don't know if you read all the parts about her being in intimidating social situations but I find her to be a higher caliber girl and regarding our situation it will workout however it does.

Put it this way, you're 25 (or older) and this girl listens better than you do in her 3rd language. I connect with her just fine.

Learn some social graces.

I chose my words carefully. I never said that in this particular case you were putting the pussy on a pedestal, rather that it is something that is good to avoid generally. I specifically did not want to accuse you of doing something when it's impossible for me to fully understand a situation I am only reading about from far away. I apologize if I offended you.

Really, I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide to do in this situation. No need for you to get defensive. Perhaps I'm wrong, and it is indeed possible to have a deep connection with an 18 year old you have known for a few days. The world has its own rhythm, maybe you two are not meant to have sex, and leaving her pure and untouched for some other guy to pop a few months from now is the way things are supposed to happen. Maybe you two reconnect at some point in the future and live happily ever after. Strange things happen.

[worldwidetraveler]

Some of these posts highlight the hypocrisy we see regularly on these types of sites.

You got guys who keep insisting that they want feminine, sweet women and then still insist on treating them the same as the western women they hate.

Guys complain women are too easy and then complain it takes 3 dates to get laid.

Guys complain women are to self reliant then complain they have to buy appetizers.

I don't think some of you guys really know what the hell you want.

You got Fisto treating someone better because she is acting exactly the way he wants a woman to act and pussy pedalisation is "suggested".

[Perdidogringo]

Quote:

We kissed a bit and I held her. My mind was working on what to do next. Try to fuck her, then leave in a day or two, promise to come back, maybe come back, maybe take too long to where her feelings are hurt.

No.

I couldn't do that to her.

I can do that to other girls, and I have but I didn't want to do that to her.

You're a good man, Fisto. Speaking as someone who partied with Fisto, Tully, et al. on Saturday, I didn't see Fisto putting any pussy on a pedestal. Quite the contrary- he was fully in control of the situation. I was impressed with the chica- she was super cool, intelligent and obviously completely into Fisto. I'm sure she wanted to bang him but she definitely gave off a vibe of someone not looking for a casual bang.

[dalbroker]

You did the right thing in my book.
The notch means a lot more to her than to you.

I refused 3 virgins last year in Asia and sleep easier
knowing I did no harm.

(04-13-2015 05:16 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

As usual VVVV you don't listen very well.

I don't appreciate being told I'm putting pussy on a pedestal. Some women are worth more than others. This is one that I don't want to take advantage of and hurt by being self serving.

I've told you the situation for what it is and you insist on projecting some other scenario on top of it.

I don't know if you read all the parts about her being in intimidating social situations but I find her to be a higher caliber girl and regarding our situation it will workout however it does.

Put it this way, you're 25 (or older) and this girl listens better than you do in her 3rd language. I connect with her just fine.

Learn some social graces.

[Duke Castile]

(04-13-2015 08:53 PM)Perdidogringo Wrote:  

Quote:

We kissed a bit and I held her. My mind was working on what to do next. Try to fuck her, then leave in a day or two, promise to come back, maybe come back, maybe take too long to where her feelings are hurt.

No.

I couldn't do that to her.

I can do that to other girls, and I have but I didn't want to do that to her.

You're a good man, Fisto. Speaking as someone who partied with Fisto, Tully, et al. on Saturday, I didn't see Fisto putting any pussy on a pedestal. Quite the contrary- he was fully in control of the situation. I was impressed with the chica- she was super cool, intelligent and obviously completely into Fisto. I'm sure she wanted to bang him but she definitely gave off a vibe of someone not looking for a casual bang.

It was great meeting you. Your travel history and depth of knowledge about places we all love was amazing to hear about.

She really liked your girl as well, I hope they become friends.

Let's hang out when I get back.

[Atlantic]

Are you coming to the coast tomorrow?

[Duke Castile]

(04-13-2015 11:39 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

Are you coming to the coast tomorrow?

Yep, I'll message you now on whatsapp to find out which hotel.

[Phoenix]

(04-13-2015 08:18 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You got Fisto treating someone better because she is acting exactly the way he wants a woman to act and pussy pedalisation is "suggested".

Fisto's behaviour on this one is right on. When a girl has sex for the first time with a man, that and him is all she knows of sex, and she can feel strongly attached to him. That the man would just treat this as a 'travel notch', and so trivialize her virginity, is immoral. All women are not fungible. The club slut is not the same thing as the serial 'dater' is not the same thing as the virgin. I'm always happy to have frivolous fun with the girls who are already on the bandwagon, but I treat a girl's first time with the same significance as she will give it.

I believe that taking virginity is a completely different act to a mere bang, and not treating it with at least increased significance is immoral behaviour. These are women we are talking about, not men. Lets have some propriety.

[Enigma]

(04-13-2015 02:55 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

LOL. I don't think I turned her into a coke whore. I think I just helped her come out of her shell and be more outgoing. She is a wealthy Venezuelan, so international travel and lots of partying and lots of sex would likely have happened even without my influence.

I didn't mean to imply that either. But your point, at least the one I disagree with, was how the person taking her virginity would have long-term implications on her sex life, and then you use that example

Quote:

My position is not that we should actively seek to turn women into sluts. My position is that we should give women what they want and not have any qualms about it, and not think about whether or not we are corrupting some chaste damsel's virtue. I think that when a 30 something gringo, and a tight bodied 18 year old latina get together, it should be pretty clear what the reality is.

Anyhow, just my 2 cents, YMMV.

If the girl "wants it", cool. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that there are girls who want to "get it over with", or lose it to some handsome foreigner. I'm not some white knight here denying that girls actually enjoy sex.

But there are some girls who are legitimately saving it for the "right" guy. And from what Fisto has said, his girl seems to be the latter.

There was a 24-year-old virgin I met here and went on 4 dates with and still never got the panties. Could I have pushed and prodded and manipulated my way in there? Probably.

But that wouldn't have given me any satisfaction. It was quite obvious by that point that this was something very important to her that she wanted to share with someone "special".

After I cut contact, she eventually texted me a few times in the middle of the night, drunk, trying to come over. But I knew that was just the alcohol and her desire to win me back talking.

I still talk to her to this day. She's still a virgin (almost a year later) and I can tell she doesn't regret holding out.

She asked me for advice on finding the right guy and I told her to keep her hair long, dress more feminine, stay in shape, and be careful of the foreign guys who just want her virginity as a trophy. The last part may seem like "white knighting", but she treats herself with respect so I treat her with respect.

Anyways, I don't want to derail Fisto's thread too much, so I'll leave it at that.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(04-14-2015 02:29 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Fisto's behaviour on this one is right on. When a girl has sex for the first time with a man, that and him is all she knows of sex, and she can feel strongly attached to him. That the man would just treat this as a 'travel notch', and so trivialize her virginity, is immoral. All women are not fungible. The club slut is not the same thing as the serial 'dater' is not the same thing as the virgin. I'm always happy to have frivolous fun with the girls who are already on the bandwagon, but I treat a girl's first time with the same significance as she will give it.

I believe that taking virginity is a completely different act to a mere bang, and not treating it with at least increased significance is immoral behaviour. These are women we are talking about, not men. Lets have some propriety.

I don't want to drag this discussion on much, since Fisto was offended by what I wrote and that wasn't my intention (again Fisto, I apologize).
However, I'm replying to your post as I think it highlights an important difference we have in world view and philosophy.
I bolded certain parts of your post that illustrate this difference.
Virginity doesn't really mean that much. I don't think there is such a thing as "taking" virginity unless you are raping a woman.
In modern society, premarital sex is an accepted reality. Women choose to have sex because they want to. You do not take anything from them.
To me, the notion of "taking" virginity is rooted in the medieval concept of chivalry, and is an outdated and idiosyncratic idea.
This concept of chivalry of course, was rooted in a moralistic and religious conception of life.
You seem to share this aspect of it too. You repeatedly refer to behavior as being immoral, and end your post by urging us to have propriety, an odd choice of words that seems best suited to a Sunday school class.
If you reread my posts, you will realize that at no point did I advocate treating anyone like shit, or deceiving them. A woman, despite her foibles, is not some mindless creature incapable of making her own decisions. They want to have sex. Many have a negative first sexual experience with someone who doesn't know what they're doing, or doesn't plan a nice evening, or lies to the person in some way.
If this girl doesn't have sex for the first time with Fisto, she will with someone else in the near future. She is going out socially, dressing sexy, and was willing to go to a room alone with a man she was attracted to and had only very recently met. And I think that many of us on this forum, especially Fisto, are in the top percentage of men in terms of what we have to offer, so it will likely be better for her with Fisto than with someone else.
I described my experience with the Venezuelan girl in a somewhat callous way, but the truth is it was a great experience for the both of us. I took her on a romantic trip to a very nice hotel in a beautiful mountainous area. I was completely upfront with her about what the realities of my life were and how a traditional relationship was not in the cards. 5 years later when we met up again, she insisted that we stay in the same suite in the same hotel, and it was a pleasant trip down memory lane for the both of us.

[Duke Castile]

Ok ok I'll fuck her!

Let's move on.

Last night I banged some girl that claims to have a very wealthy family thats well known.

Actually she seems really cool. Blonde and light skinned in her mid 20s. Nice big ass.

[Duke Castile]

Arrived in Barranquilla yesterday.

I booked a room in the same hotel as Linux and Atlantic.

I got my stuff in and went for a walk, I flirted with the front desk girl a bit. Great body, average face. The guy behind the desk was a prick but I just laughed and smiled at the girl.

I went for a walk to get a lay of the land, an large mall not far away and a lot of little strip mall type places.

Perfect for meet ups.

I decided to walk into the mall to buy a few things since the hotel wants to charge 4 bucks for the liter of water in the room and 2 dollars for the crackers in the minibar.

I got the feeling I was back in Santo Domingo. The people here move like molasses and are rude. It's annoying but that's Carribean life I guess.

I sat down for a sandwich (Linux rubbing off on me before I even meet the guy) and fucked around on Tinder getting matches. I didn't pipeline at all (seems more fun to me now to hit the ground running).

There was really nothing of any talent in the mall surprisingly so I grabbed a water and a few things from the grocery store and walked back.

I got into my room, messaged a few girls for maintenance and took a nap.

When I woke up I went and met Linux and Atlantic at the hotel restaurant.

Linux and I have the same kind of look, we were both in the military, and we come from the same place.

He reminds me of me when I was drinking.....we are like the bizzaro versions of each other.

Anyway, we all decide to hit the streets.

I go up and change and come down. There's some kind of convention in the hotel and two girls are working at the table set up in front of the convention room.

I chat them up under the premise of wanting to know what there is to do. They tell me nothing until Thursday.

I get the hotter girls number and meet the boys outside and we start walking.

We get to a spot where supposedly there's a bar and I notice 3 girls sitting outside at an eating venue.

One is HOT for sure but the other two don't really do anything for me.

We go upstairs to this other place that looks somewhat busy from afar but then I see it isn't at all.

We walk back downstairs and get some ice-cream and I am messaging with my 8 that I banged. She's telling me how she wished she could have seen me again before I left.

The night we had plans I canceled them to bang another girl that claims to come from a very wealthy family that owns a chain of businesses all over Colombia, she was chubby but new pussy is greater so I hung out with the new girl instead.

Anyway, upon deciding to leave I approach the 3 girls and I see that the girl I was initially attracted to is a smokeshow and the other girl has what I would call a real cute face but the 3rd girl is fucking hideous. There is nothing attractive about her. NOTHING.

I look over and Linux does not miss a beat, he's right there and I guess Atlantic decided to bounce on out.

I suggest we go to the top bar and do something and so we head out.

On the way the ugly girl says "my friend is nearby and needs to speak to me, so you guys go ahead".

I can't believe it's this easy! The ugly fat friend is taking herself out of the equation??? Unheard of!

The night is looking up and we set down in a bar and order a bottle of whisky.

Linux is over there with a satisfied smirk on his face with his glass of whisky telling his girl he loves her and she is asking me "isn't that too soon"???

I say to her in Spanish "tell that to Romeo and Juiliet".

We all chuckle.

My girl is distracted by her phone and I see a couple different guys messages as she replies.

This doesn't annoy me as it's par for the course but I pull her a little closer and touch her here and there. She is receptive but still a little guarded.

Linux's chick by contrast is trying to pretend that she's more of a lady than she really is and if we could separate these two I have the feeling it would be a much different story.

The fat ugly friend shows back up and for some reason wants to tell us about how her cousin wants to fuck her but she can't because she's on her period and she is pretending that she is in some moral dilemma about the whole affair.

I find it absurd that she's so open with this information and the other two girls are telling us this isn't normal, which I also find absurd.

We are trying to convince them to hand out at the pool with us and they are receptive. We say let's go and head downstairs but we run into the ugly cousin who's pouting at the ice-cream stand like a bitch.

The ugly girl is being dramatic about it and is telling her friends in Spanish not to leave her alone with him, even though I think that's exactly what she wants.

These girls are all about pretending to be proper girls and so they have to support the facade.

We say we will make plans tomorrow.

Just got off the phone with my girl and we are headed to the beach, linux if you're reading this get ready!

[Aliblahba]

(03-23-2015 10:44 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

This is the most comprehensive and well organized list of scientific articles that I've found in one place.

Fair warning, your mind will explode.

http://thepowerofpoop.com/resources/feca...-research/

I'm assuming since no one's heard from him, Fisto's journey has ended, hopefully well!



   

[Global Entry]

Post of the day!!!!

Ali, awesome.

[Duke Castile]

Actually youre not far off. I've also been smashing some 8+ girls and generally happy. Found a few hidden gem cities along the way and going to explore a few more.

[Tigre]

Saw this in my twitter feed today about Ayahuasca: http://roadsandkingdoms.com/2015/the-roo...ll-things/