[GoingTheDistance]

Cobra I appreciate your post and you gave some good insight that I'm going to reflect on. We have different life experiences that help us see life through own lens and you give me a different perspective that could probably help me out. I'm happy for your success, you are a living example of the American Dream. I hope you pass that on to your children one day so that they can love this country as much as you do and keep that dream alive and burning bright into the future. You seem like a pretty good guy man.

A couple of things:

1. "Free Speech Isn't Free" will attract different audiences then "Bang", therefore prompting the audiences of Free Speech Isn't Free to the political forum rather then the game forum if that's their interests.

2. The "Evolution" of the forum that some of you long term posters despise was helped prompted by writing on Roosh's websites by himself or with his approval.

3. Go to that Jarriel thread and see what posters have to say about Jarriel never meeting up with anybody in person after mainly posting in the game section compared to what they have to say about political posters not meeting up with anybody in person after mainly posting in the political section. You'll see several comments by highly repped members talking about respecting privacy in that thread. Most of the relevant discussion is on the first page.

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4. Finally, everybody that is angry about how this thread turned political. Go back and read the thread from the very start. When you get to page seven, the 2nd to last comment is by El Chinito Loco, who is a highly repped non-white member. El Chinito Loco is the first person to make this conversation political. Not one member before him mentioned anything political in this threads entire 7 pages up to that point!

Guess who are the two likes for that post by El Chinito Loco, a non white member who turned this thread political: One of them is from Cobra, the same guy who has strongly voiced his displeasure about how politics has taken over this forum.

I am not calling anybody out. I am new. I know my place. I don't want to rock the boat. But Cobra especially, for you to like that post by El Chinito Loco, who was the first poster to turn this thread political in the first place, and then write what you wrote after that is very telling man.

EDIT - If you don't want to go back to page 7 to the 2nd to last comment turning this thread political, here is what El Chinito Loco wrote and what Cobra liked:

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RE: Chinese Man’s Life with Beautiful Ukrainian Wife Envied
It's always somewhat curious and amusing to me how some white western guys waste their time (and demographic future) fucking around in asia and latin america.

I have noticed that the guys from the west who wash up in asia are getting younger and younger every year too. It's not really the standard middle aged losers hitting up beer bars and taking home whores either. There's an awful lot of 20 something shiftless westerners floating around asia too. Way more than 10 years ago that's for sure..

I know it's fun to fuck around and larp that you're the big boss man in these places and get your nut off but it's honestly short sighted and to be frank if you have kids with asians or latinas they definitely won't be white. Maybe more white appearing kids will identify more white but they will just get subsumed under the pressure of identity politics eventually.

Plus let's be real here most girls easily gamed in asia and latin america will likely be thots who usually aren't really the cream of the crop of any of those societies either.

I have no horse in this race either way but if I were white i'd definitely feel at least a modest sense of urgency about having kids of my own race at some point..very soon.

This Chinese dude marrying some random white ukrainian girl literally has nothing to lose from that cultural point of view.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Gotta give credit here. Bashing on white men going to Asia was fine. Only after that Icarus came out with his ill-advised comment.

The funny part is that we made a few comments about the mongol invasion in 2015 in reference to the this thread. But somehow in the last years it changed - it essentially changed because things became more obvious and pressing for the West.

Most of the reason for the change is this and the reality of this in all Western countries:

[url=https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/975926624423092224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rooshvforum.network%2Fthread-48360-post-1754460.html%23pid1754460][/url]

In addition you have a total war being declared on the West and their history.

[iop890]

(03-20-2018 02:37 PM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

EDIT - If you don't want to go back to page 7 to the 2nd to last comment turning this thread political, here is what El Chinito Loco wrote and what Cobra liked:

First the dumpster-diver comment and now this? As a fan of tight young Asian bitches of all different shades I'm starting to get my feelings hurt.

El Chinito Loco Wrote:

It's always somewhat curious and amusing to me how some

Would you say you're (((honestly curious)))?

El Chinito Loco Wrote:

white western guys waste their time (and demographic future) fucking around in asia and latin america.

Filling up tight young riceballs with my imported coconut milk is never a waste of time.

El Chinito Loco Wrote:

Plus let's be real here most girls easily gamed in asia and latin america will likely be thots who usually aren't really the cream of the crop of any of those societies either.

A Chinese guy with game in Ukraine must be lauded but whites in Asia are LARPers gaming sub-par girls?(the top tier ricebunnies[or...beanbunnies? What kind of bunnies are lah-teenas?] would never race mix )

Most girls easily gamed are of lower value full stop, there's no place on earth where the cream of the crop is easily gamed. So were you saying nothing here or did you mean to say something more specific? To me it sounds like the old "Girls of my race that mix with X are lower quality" trope that guys were complaining about coming from white guys a couple pages ago, but I can't be sure.

El Chinito Loco Wrote:

I know it's fun to fuck around and larp that you're the big boss man in these places and get your nut off but it's honestly short sighted and to be frank if you have kids with asians or latinas they definitely won't be white.

It wouldn't matter if Ukrainians ceased to exist as a distinct ethnic group(I don't think that's happening but guys were arguing the hypothetical earlier) but stop splooging in that Yellowtail or your kids won't look white!

But:

(03-18-2018 07:44 AM)Suits Wrote:  

What's wrong with that if you don't believe that other races are inferior?

Complaining about race mixing out of a feigned concern over white demographics is still complaining about race mixing.

[John Michael Kane]

If they make each other happy, good for them. I don't see any reason for the hate, as long as both of them are productive members of society and she starts popping out kids.

[El Chinito loco]

Nigga please.

This is a rather weak call out attempt if i've ever seen one. Iop you should know better but anyhow..

The whole point of that was to point out the personal and ideological contradiction I see often especially with the white demographic apocalypse guys. It bore repeating because like I said before the same guys who bother to rip on a couple non whites marrying Ukrainians should actually be going out there finding long term relationships with white women and doing the same thing if they actually care so much about that.

It's pretty noticeable at this point how the same guys expressing concern with white demographics then turn around and spend all their time abroad or not even in long term relationships with white women to begin with.

I've seen lots of rather amusing hand waving on here about how this isn't actually important but to me it just sounds like an inability to see the forest for the trees. If people actually did care so much about these demographic issues then hell yes it's important.

Having kids isn't just about demographics but about passing down your values. I can point towards various ethnic groups that are the minority group who are generally outbred by other groups but still maintain ethnic cohesiveness and are very successful on top of that. It's a case of quality over quantity. The reason this is possible at all is that they still manage to have kids despite all this.

The most obvious being ethnic Chinese in SEA, but that would also apply to white religious communities like the Mormons as well. I'd even include the Jews in this as well but they are shall we say.. unique in many ways.

Do I think people would be better off sticking to their own ethnicity in general? Perhaps. I've said as much in the past that I don't believe much in the efficacy of multiculturalism producing lasting nations. However, ripping on some real outliers while also not practicing what you preach on a personal level actually did need to be pointed out.

Quote:

A Chinese guy with game in Ukraine must be lauded but whites in Asia are LARPers gaming sub-par girls?(the top tier ricebunnies[or...beanbunnies? What kind of bunnies are lah-teenas?] would never race mix )

Hey, just a full decade of observations with regards to this. It's definitely low tier in general especially with the crowd that settles in asia with bar girl grade wives. Do you want me to point out entire villages in places like rural Isaan made up of these people?

I wouldn't say it applies to the type of girls experienced and long standing forum members game anyways so i'm not sure why you're getting rustled about this.

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Complaining about race mixing out of a feigned concern over white demographics is still complaining about race mixing.

"feigned" concern? I'll go one step further.. how about no actual personal concern about this issue at all. I do see it as a very bad thing to happen from a national perspective as a U.S. citizen though. I also view it as a bad thing from the perspective of being someone who still exists as a member of western society.


Whatever happens..ultimately happens though.

[ErectedZenith]

People, its just hypergamy at work here.

Nothing more, nothing less.

As a country get stronger, it is only natural that women wants to procreate with the people there.

So if you want to keep your community high in the reproductive ladder, the best thing you can do is to figure out ways of how to make your community prosperous.

There is no reason to insult each other here.

[RexImperator]

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Illegal immigration no matter the source is an issue for any country. It's not about the ethnic composition of the people coming here illegally.

No, it definitely is...that's why a book was titled, "Adios, America."

[iop890]

The reason people(besides 4chan LARPers) dismiss race-mixing as an issue is because the amount of mixing that occurs naturally is statistically irrelevant. If you took every white dude in a mixed married and gave him a white wife instead the change would be minuscule. The issue that matters is immigration. So telling people it's inconsistent to be against mass immigration and the resulting demographic replacement if they're not pumping out pure aryan babies is silly. Even the fabled ethnostate of 4chan lore wouldn't be 100% pure.

And there's nothing stopping anyone from passing down their values to a mixed kid.

(03-20-2018 07:54 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Hey, just a full decade of observations with regards to this. It's definitely low tier in general especially with the crowd that settles in asia with bar girl grade wives. Do you want me to point out entire villages in places like rural Isaan made up of these people?

I'm sure you could but that's a bit like posting a bunch of pictures of low SMV black guys with obese white girls and then claiming white girls that date black dudes are all trash. Which wouldn't fly here. I wouldn't say the fat old retirees marrying bar girls are really dating down.

(03-20-2018 07:54 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I wouldn't say it applies to the type of girls experienced and long standing forum members game anyways

So who are you talking too?

Retired geriatrics in Isaan? They're not here and they wouldn't be breeding anymore anyway, if they were in the west fertile women wouldn't even be available to them.

4chan white power LARPers? They'd say that slav isn't even white, jerk off to chinese cartoons/kpop girls, and then spam BLACKED.com posts on /pol/.

Where are the forum guys that are mad about the guy in the OP while fucking around in Asia themselves?

If your problem is just with geriatric whore-mongers and literal autists then I guess I agree with you.

(03-20-2018 07:54 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I'm not sure why you're getting rustled about this.

Don't get between me and my ricebunnies or we're gonna have a problem.

Oh, and Chinese girls in SEA are open to race mixing.

[rudebwoy]

(03-20-2018 04:20 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 09:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 08:44 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Those who are hyper-focused on politics seem to have given up on improving themselves and are simply demanding that the world change so that they can have what they want without working for it.

If I'm not working or fucking I'm shitposting on the politics forum and I'm just short of having tripled my income over the last year.

Your BFF Fisto has also apparently had a pretty good year while being pretty heavily invested in politics.

This post definitely made me think. It's actually a topic that has confused me for a while now. I haven't met you nor my BFF Fisto, but one of the forums best contributors, Laner, is a man who cannot be described as anything other than successful. I've met him in both Hong Kong and Vancouver and I know for a fact that he is extremely legit.

And yet, although he has a life and therefore does not post constantly, it's clear from his posts here on the forum and our conversations in person that he is mentally invested into political outcomes.

Know, I've met a lot of people in life who bitch about the political/social state of their nations and when you met them, you know exactly why. They are men who are disappointed in their own lives who prefer to blame something else. It's not that all of their complaints are unfounded, but you also know that even if the world were arranged to their liking, they'd still probably be in a very similar place.

I'll absolutely concede that there are successful men who care about their countries, stay aware of the political situation and want change because they love their country. In fact, prior to this forum "evolving," I loved reading the occasional political discussion that occurred here because I could read the thoughts of men who I knew were successful with women, because guys who just wanted to talk politics didn't usual stay long.

Following the "evolution" of our forum, there's a lot of guys weighing into political and race discussions and I have no idea how to qualify their "contributions." There are some very smart people, much smarter than me who are still underachievers who want to blame others.

They can succeed with making an argument on the Internet that I can't personally disprove, but promote a type of world that I don't want to live in.

For example, the argument that having independent Dalmatian and Labrador Retriever breeds is superior to permanently mixing the two into one breed has sound logic, but I don't want to live in a world where men and women who meet, enjoy each other's company and want to start a family and life together cannot because a special interest group can't live with a particular vaguely defined ethnicity eventually disappearing from the earth.

I'm simply not good enough at Internet arguing to "win" a debate where Ukrainians are a type of dog breed, but that doesn't convince me that I'm wrong about that being an ethically inferior world.

What's the better categorical ideal? That the world be a meritocracy to the best of our ability to create one? That we create systems in our countries where the best achieve the best successes and thereby create more opportunity for all or where we limited success of some because allowing people of the "wrong" race to be successful (and also live in the country and start a family with any woman who chooses him) is too upsetting to the race purists out there?

Great post Suits.

Nothing more to see here.

When you coming back in town?

[Suits]

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 04:20 AM)Suits Wrote:  

What's the better categorical ideal? That the world be a meritocracy to the best of our ability to create one? That we create systems in our countries where the best achieve the best successes and thereby create more opportunity for all or where we limited success of some because allowing people of the "wrong" race to be successful (and also live in the country and start a family with any woman who chooses him) is too upsetting to the race purists out there?

Great post Suits.

Nothing more to see here.

When you coming back in town?

The next year of my life is unclear. I'm using 2018 to attempt to fully transition from doing work the requires my continued presence in just one city into work that gives me a moderate level of geographical freedom.

That means I'm keeping costs low until I have a stable income from new revenue sources, but arguably at some point I'm going to be able to take an extended trip back to the GTA to see family, friends and forum members.

Will let you know when I'm planning a trip.

[Leonard D Neubache]

delete

Fuck it. Let people have their religion. Might as well be showing dinosaur bones to fundamentalist Christians. You achieve nothing except drama.

[iop890]

Edit: Never mind then.

[Suits]

(03-20-2018 09:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people keep saying over and over again that race has nothing to do with culture, as if an America comprised entirely of racial Chinese will keep running rodeos and building Jeeps just as long as effort is taken to assimilate them.

I've never seen anything other than evidence that Chinese are excellent at assimilation, given a generation of public schooling for their native born children.

Provided that you don't have communities where they only engage with other Chinese immigrants and go to a school with Chinese teachers, I don't see how assimilation is a problem. In Canada, all the Chinese-Canadian young people who grew up with Chinese parents, but going to school like everyone else turned out more or less culturally identical to everyone else.

If anything, they find their parent's cultural tendencies an annoyance of sorts.

The problem occurs with violent religious groups committed to taking over rather than assimilating and when too many immigrants from a specific culture/country/shared identity arrive in a single generation.

It's also a risk to allow immigration of folks who don't place a high value in education.

[Fortis]

I do think we should have some threads where you are punished for bringing divisive politics into the thread. Sorta like a small, buffer of sorts. That way threads like this don't keep cropping up. Nothing about this thread needed to be politicized but it ended up happening anyway.

Perhaps roosh can implement a new feature where the OP is able to decide whether he will allow politics into the thread? I think that would cut down on a ton of these misunderstandings.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-20-2018 09:56 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people keep saying over and over again that race has nothing to do with culture, as if an America comprised entirely of racial Chinese will keep running rodeos and building Jeeps just as long as effort is taken to assimilate them.

I agree Lenny but how does that relate to my post?

No, I deleted that post in part because I realised it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell who's pushing what. People are going to shill for their own life story. Broader analysis, statistics, history. None of them have a place here. If you are a 130 IQ African immigrant who got a degree and earns 100k a year then 10 million African immigrants will get a degree and earn 100k a year. 100 million racial Chinese will invariably continue cowboy culture long after white people are a genetic blip. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

Nothing of value will be lost.

Move along.

Nothing to see here.

[iop890]

No need to delete posts, if I'm wrong about something I want to know.

[Geomann180]

I'm at a low point tonight, reading things and watching things to distract a busy, pained mind.

All I want to know is how this man is doing 5 years later, in 2020.

He appears to be in the situation I long for - decently attractive, devoted, young, healthy wife. Golden years ahead of both of them. z

I wish him and her all the best.

G

[SamuelBRoberts]

One Chinese dude in Ukraine is an uplifting story about a guy who worked hard, bettered himself, and is living the dream.
One million Chinese dudes in Ukraine is a story about how Ukraine is now a Chinese colony and the Ukrainians are consigned to second-tier status.

Pretty simple.

[Transsimian]

On the subject of Chinese men finding wives overseas, I found an interesting article.
https://www.liuxue86.com/a/3460931.html

I'm busy so I'll just translate a brief summary.

The easiest
Thailand: There are lots of travel services for non-Thais to find a wife, all you need to do is pay your rent and living expenses.

Nigeria: Their culture and legal system allows you to marry multiple women.

Honduras: You can swap your wife at the market once every three months

Kyrgyzstan: It's culturally acceptable to kidnap a girl you like and they have no choice but to accept.

India: India has many beauties, but women are undervalued by society. Just have lots of livestock and give them eggs or seeds.

Vietnam: A common choice, it doesn't take more than a few thousand usd to buy a young beauty. Unfortunately they are infamous for running away.

[worldwidetraveler]

[iop890]

(03-21-2018 01:25 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

Thailand: There are lots of travel services for non-Thais to find a wife, all you need to do is pay your rent and living expenses.

Nigeria: Their culture and legal system allows you to marry multiple women.

Honduras: You can swap your wife at the market once every three months

Kyrgyzstan: It's culturally acceptable to kidnap a girl you like and they have no choice but to accept.

India: India has many beauties, but women are undervalued by society. Just have lots of livestock and give them eggs or seeds.

Vietnam: A common choice, it doesn't take more than a few thousand usd to buy a young beauty. Unfortunately they are infamous for running away.

Chinese RVF is heavy.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-21-2018 01:24 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

One Chinese dude in Ukraine is an uplifting story about a guy who worked hard, bettered himself, and is living the dream.
One million Chinese dudes in Ukraine is a story about how Ukraine is now a Chinese colony and the Ukrainians are consigned to second-tier status.

Pretty simple.

Most women will pick the guy from their culture. That is why it comes across a little weird to have a knee jerk reaction that one culture is taking over another one pussy at a time.

[Ice Man]

(03-21-2018 01:25 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

Vietnam: A common choice, it doesn't take more than a few thousand usd to buy a young beauty. Unfortunately they are infamous for running away.

God damn aint that the truth. I started geo tagging mine and my recovery rate is 95% now; though some may be a little worse for wear after bringing them home

[El Chinito loco]

(03-20-2018 09:01 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

The reason people(besides 4chan LARPers) dismiss race-mixing as an issue is because the amount of mixing that occurs naturally is statistically irrelevant. If you took every white dude in a mixed married and gave him a white wife instead the change would be minuscule. The issue that matters is immigration.

If you want to talk the future of white demographics i'd say it's all relevant. Offspring and the future bloodline of descendants is like interest..it compounds over time.

We can go back and forth with this forum jousting but i've pretty much said my piece on this. My final opinion on this issue is that I think at the end of the day you guys are ultimately part of the problem when it comes to your own demographic issues.

There's definitely a double standard rationalized here where white females who ride the cock carousel endlessly without having kids are (rightfully) lambasted but guys who do the same thing without having kids aren't.

It's all bad when you're talking demographics.

Quote:

And there's nothing stopping anyone from passing down their values to a mixed kid.

I've seen several posts now where there's been plenty of handwringing about how minorities don't vote the same as whites. If you just go by voting stats i'd say there's a lot of truth in that. I thought it was fairly exaggerated myself when I saw it mentioned in the Donald thread but after looking over it I have to agree that it is an issue in general.

If you have a hapa kid or whatever they obviously won't be regarded as white. I'd say your chances of influencing them over the greater forces of identity politics is about 70/30% (if they are male) in whether they vote democrat or not. If it's a hapa female then i'd say you have about a 5% chance of making sure they are conservative. Never met a single hapa female conservative..ever. I know plenty of hapas and i'd say in real life it's an even split of liberals/conservatives...but i'm just talking about the guys.

Funny enough the ones who have very conservative fathers tend to vote liberal..i'll let you figure why that is on your own. So the odds are not weighed in your favor if you want them have your values.

Anyways that's all i'll post about this topic in this thread. I was actually done with it a few pages ago but I sort of got drama baited back in.

[GoingTheDistance]

(03-21-2018 01:24 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

One Chinese dude in Ukraine is an uplifting story about a guy who worked hard, bettered himself, and is living the dream.
One million Chinese dudes in Ukraine is a story about how Ukraine is now a Chinese colony and the Ukrainians are consigned to second-tier status.

Pretty simple.

Agreed.