[PapayaTapper]

(03-19-2018 09:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 08:44 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Those who are hyper-focused on politics seem to have given up on improving themselves and are simply demanding that the world change so that they can have what they want without working for it.

If I'm not working or fucking I'm shitposting on the politics forum and I'm just short of having tripled my income over the last year.

Your BFF Fisto has also apparently had a pretty good year while being pretty heavily invested in politics.

I wouldn't say the majority of active politics posters here are stagnant.

Applying "outcome independence" from game forums to political threads...

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's great. The emus don't work us too hard and they've become a lot less authoritarian after we accepted the natural order.

[Suits]

(03-19-2018 09:26 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

That's rare though, most just die of diabetes.

Where are the masses of RVFers dying of political diabeetus? Most of the politics regulars I can think of are doing pretty well.

There's a thin cross-over between guys who have game and obsess over politics. Most of the regulars you speak of are individuals who established a forum rep back when race threads were altogether outlawed.

The majority of the guys with the strongest game (as established by actual forum meet-ups) have stopped posting (or have limited their posting to just a few game threads) since the forum "evolved."

On the other hand, we have now received a huge influx of guys who talk tough in political threads, never post in game threads, have never met anyone from the forum and for whom there is no evidence of any worldly success.

[zigZag]

(03-19-2018 09:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's great. The emus don't work us too hard and they've become a lot less authoritarian after we accepted the natural order.

With the Emus will you finally be able to field a good cricket team again?

[Fortis]

I posed the question not to take shots at the politics guys, but more to try and reconcile the two streams of thinking. I'm trying to understand why someone like yung Icarus thinks the way he does since he seems to have the tacit support of question a few vocal members. I can't relate to that way of thinking, but it seems to be becoming more and more common on our forum, so I'm trying to figure out how it all works without ridiculing anyone.

[rudebwoy]

(03-18-2018 10:08 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

While reversing negative trends in white birth rates is a reasonable request it's senseless to simply insist that whites should try to outbreed other traditionally r-selected races. If you can't retain a historic demographic majority having 3 kids to 2 parents then you're not obligated to engage in some sort of retarded race to the bottom by pumping out a dozen kids you can't afford to raise to a first world standard. In fact, in an increasingly automated society with decreasing resources insisting that whites try to outbreed other races is a massively flawed strategy. If the only reason you need more people is to retain a demographic majority so your nation doesn't turn into a shithole then something has gone terribly wrong, and pumping out babies is going to create just as many problems as it solves.

This is why multiracial socialist democracies such as we have in the West are destined to fail. What do you think is inevitably going to happen when you ask whites (and asians and affluent r-select indians) to pick up the lion's share of the tab for social programs that disproportionately benefit blacks and latinos then go on to ridicule whites as having low birth rates because they don't want to raise a dozen kids below the poverty line on welfare?




Naw. That might result is a serious dose of reality.

I don't usually read your posts because it is the same record.

No one is asking whites to outbreed other races, we know that isn't going to happen. How about breeding period, having one child too start with. Even you couldn't find a suitable white women to breed with, so why complain.

Europeans countries are at rates well under the replacement number of 2.1. Some countries are as low as 1.1 and will vanish in a couple of generations. Even those same European numbers are skewed by the immigrants you denigrate, they are bringing up the numbers and doing the shit jobs that Europeans feel they are too good for.

Now I know you didn't mean that comment about welfare.
In Canada for starters, it is the "native" white Canadians that receive the most amount of welfare.

In the UK it is the same story, it is very common to see people that have been on welfare for 3 generations. I can do one better, it was recently reported that almost half of the EU migrants claim benefits within the first year of entering the UK. EU migrants would be white, not the coloured ones you see on TV.

As for the good ole USA, well again it is the same story.

https://www.thoughtco.com/who-really-rec...re-4126592

You are right though, I wonder how the taxpayers feel about paying all their "hard earned" money to people who cant be bothered to find work.

What really gets me is how much these western countries have to pay Israel in foreign aid. $3 billion a year in military aid, now we both know that not all that is going to the military. That is just from the USA, doesn't include the other western countries that the Zionist Jews have by the balls.

http://theconversation.com/us-foreign-ai...ined-74810

Now I see the humour in what you were saying. G'day mate!

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-19-2018 09:49 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 09:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's great. The emus don't work us too hard and they've become a lot less authoritarian after we accepted the natural order.

With the Emus will you finally be able to field a good cricket team again?

No, we've been sanctioned by the league because of the emu/human apartheid laws.

[GoingTheDistance]

(03-19-2018 10:02 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I posed the question not to take shots at the politics guys, but more to try and reconcile the two streams of thinking. I'm trying to understand why someone like yung Icarus thinks the way he does since he seems to have the tacit support of question a few vocal members. I can't relate to that way of thinking, but it seems to be becoming more and more common on our forum, so I'm trying to figure out how it all works without ridiculing anyone.

I'll bite as a white American. A lot of times when I'm going about my day to day life, I don't really think about interracial couples when I see them. But there are times that I do think like Icarus.

Usually, that's when everyday examples in the real world affect me.

For example, one job I had was 80% black women, 10% hispanic women, and about 10% of men who were a mixture of whites, blacks and hispanics. One day while I was going about my work day, my boss (an Italian American) stopped over to my desk to shoot the shit with me and remarked how "diverse" the company was. It was a non political conversation. The man was about as non political as you can get.

It's moments like those that you think wait a minute.....What is diverse? Would my boss, who was an ethnic 3rd generation Italian American himself, say that the company was diverse if it had 80% Italian women fresh off the boat from Florence?

For example, another company that I had an interview for one time, again just waiting in the lobby for about 30 minutes it looked like a healthy mix of females and males, but about 75% black. My interviewing manager, a black American, told me in the interview how "diverse" it was to work there and that "I would have to be comfortable working with people who look don't look like me".

Our conversation was not political. The job was non political. I put on my resume my experiences in Europe. I had an interviewer telling me "I have to be comfortable working with people who don't look like me" when I have academic experience in Europe studying abroad on a whole other continent. It's moments like those that you think wait a minute......What is diverse?

For example, going to Europe on vacation for the first time and seeing minimum police presence while I carelessly strolled about the streets with not a care in the world, only to go back five years later and see the military out patrolling the streets like it's Baghdad, probably because that area now is de-facto Baghdad.

I know why the military is there, it's not because of the ethnic Europeans. It's moments like those that I think, wait a minute........... Is this diversity really our strength? You're damn right I would've asked the same question with the Irish in the 1990's too.

For example, driving down the road to the supermarket to pick up some chicken breasts while jamming out to some Cake "Going The Distance", only to see a Black Lives Matter advertisement with the Black Power fists raised and something about white privilege splattered across it.

For the record, I believe they have every right to and good for them if they want to band together. However, it's moments like that when I think wait a minute........If this diversity is our strength, why the fuck do I feel that little knot in my stomach and subtle subconscious reactions kicking in when I see those pictures of those raised black fists?

In moments like these, I absolutely will look at interracial couples in a threatened way like Icarus described in some of his posts. That is because you can not ignore biology - 9 times out of 10 their children will not be a part of my tribe because ethnic Europeans have the most recessive genes out of anybody on the planet. Those interracial couples are not popping out blue eyed and red/blonde haired babies 99% of the time.

Now, Fortis, in the four examples of me going about my day to day business and having those series of events occur to me, is that right of me to feel threatened by those interracial couples (or even minorities) for merely being in my presence? Absolutely not.

My grandparents and great grandparents on all sides of my family were such good Christians that they would be ashamed of me for having those subtle thoughts kicking in in those situations. I know they would.

Hell, I'm ashamed of myself when I recognize those thoughts going on in my head after similar situations to the ones that I described above. Because those random interracial couples or minorities are probably for the most part awesome people and if I talked to them we would probably like each other.

All I can say man, is that it's some primal shit. Is that beta of me? Yes. Do I need to work on that? Absolutely. Does that make me a bad person? It's a strong possibility, though I'm more inclined to think that it makes me human.

Hopefully that gives you an idea of how these thoughts can come along. It's hard to escape the world sometimes and at the end of the day, we're not perfect.

[Barron]

(03-20-2018 02:19 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

For example, driving down the road to the supermarket to pick up some chicken breasts while jamming out to some Cake "Going The Distance", only to see a Black Lives Matter advertisement with the Black Power fists raised and something about white privilege splattered across it.

For the record, I believe they have every right to and good for them if they want to band together. However, it's moments like that when I think wait a minute........If this diversity is our strength, why the fuck do I feel that little knot in my stomach and subtle subconscious reactions kicking in when I see those pictures of those raised black fists?

In moments like these, I absolutely will look at interracial couples in a threatened way like Icarus described in some of his posts. That is because you can not ignore biology - 9 times out of 10 their children will not be a part of my tribe because ethnic Europeans have the most recessive genes out of anybody on the planet. Those interracial couples are not popping out blue eyed and red/blonde haired babies 99% of the time.

Have a rep.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-19-2018 10:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I don't usually read your posts because it is the same record.

No one is asking whites to outbreed other races, we know that isn't going to happen. How about breeding period, having one child too start with. Even you couldn't find a suitable white women to breed with, so why complain.

Europeans countries are at rates well under the replacement number of 2.1. Some countries are as low as 1.1 and will vanish in a couple of generations. Even those same European numbers are skewed by the immigrants you denigrate, they are bringing up the numbers and doing the shit jobs that Europeans feel they are too good for.

Now I know you didn't mean that comment about welfare.
In Canada for starters, it is the "native" white Canadians that receive the most amount of welfare.

In the UK it is the same story, it is very common to see people that have been on welfare for 3 generations. I can do one better, it was recently reported that almost half of the EU migrants claim benefits within the first year of entering the UK. EU migrants would be white, not the coloured ones you see on TV.

As for the good ole USA, well again it is the same story.

You are mixing here topics which you are hardly aware of. The EU does not need 1 non-European immigrant ever to be imported. The net real unemployment rate is over 10%.

Most non-EU immigrants have zero jobs and are going straight for welfare.

The difference whether Polish women move ot the Uk and then apply for welfare or whether Muslims from Afghanistan do it, that the latter will create gang-rapes, generate sharia enclaves, no-go zones, create a future shithole and give birth to more Jihadis. The Polish EE women will have children who will feel more British than EE.

That is the difference and even before I mention the topic of 20 point IQ divergence between the groups - never mind mentality and hostility towards the European culture or that Islam is the most evil religion in the world and should not be invited to any sane country ever.

So yeah - politics topics are best enjoyed by having lived through the areas. Anyone who has traveled and lived in Europe in the 1980s and 1990s knows what has changed in cities like London and Paris.

Countries like Poland took in 1.5 mio. Ukrainians in the last 3-4 years - all without any spike in crime or rape. Germany took in 1.5 millions Muslims and gets 250.000 crimes per year - some never before seen like public swimming pool rapes and creation of no-go zones, gang-rapes of jogging women in daylight!

Lecturing Europe about how terrible it is that some Eastern Europeans apply for welfare in the West vs the real shitshow started by non-Europeans is really misguided.

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But yeah - this thread should not have gone political.

It's about a man getting pussy outside of his country. And we here are all for it since many of us are filthy race-mixers - white guys here included.

[StrikeBack]

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

You are right, your Christian ancestors would be ashamed of you.

It is only human for you to feel these, but that is not tribal. That is the scarcity mentality. When you’re thirsty, you get fearful and feel threatened by those who have more than you do. And yes it is very primal. We humans have a lot of primal tendencies that are not good for us, but through our faith and our minds, we control them and channel them towards a positive outcome for our life.

Tell me if I’m wrong: I can already see that you have a job that you loathe, and your dating life is either nonexistent or really struggling. If you are successful in your personal life, you will see all of these very differently. One needs to be strong and successful to be truly kind and generous. When you’re weak and losing at life, the nasty and petty side of you will come out. And yes, that too is only human. Doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable thing, especially on a site that is very much for self-improvement and neo-masculinity.

To the others: stop linking this to illegal or mass uncontrolled immigration. This is RVF, other than a few obvious trolls, we are all on the Trump train. We are pro-Wall and against all forms of uncontrolled immigration, illegal and legal. We’re pro-masculinity and anti-Marxist. Just because we are generous in spirit enough to congratulate a Chinese guy for having the balls to achieve much in his life doesn’t mean that we turn into suicidal open border soyboys, and by the way, the vast majority of those people are your fellow tribal whites.

Identity politics are for losers, that goes for both sides, left and right.

[Suits]

(03-19-2018 09:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 08:44 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Those who are hyper-focused on politics seem to have given up on improving themselves and are simply demanding that the world change so that they can have what they want without working for it.

If I'm not working or fucking I'm shitposting on the politics forum and I'm just short of having tripled my income over the last year.

Your BFF Fisto has also apparently had a pretty good year while being pretty heavily invested in politics.

This post definitely made me think. It's actually a topic that has confused me for a while now. I haven't met you nor my BFF Fisto, but one of the forums best contributors, Laner, is a man who cannot be described as anything other than successful. I've met him in both Hong Kong and Vancouver and I know for a fact that he is extremely legit.

And yet, although he has a life and therefore does not post constantly, it's clear from his posts here on the forum and our conversations in person that he is mentally invested into political outcomes.

Know, I've met a lot of people in life who bitch about the political/social state of their nations and when you met them, you know exactly why. They are men who are disappointed in their own lives who prefer to blame something else. It's not that all of their complaints are unfounded, but you also know that even if the world were arranged to their liking, they'd still probably be in a very similar place.

I'll absolutely concede that there are successful men who care about their countries, stay aware of the political situation and want change because they love their country. In fact, prior to this forum "evolving," I loved reading the occasional political discussion that occurred here because I could read the thoughts of men who I knew were successful with women, because guys who just wanted to talk politics didn't usual stay long.

Following the "evolution" of our forum, there's a lot of guys weighing into political and race discussions and I have no idea how to qualify their "contributions." There are some very smart people, much smarter than me who are still underachievers who want to blame others.

They can succeed with making an argument on the Internet that I can't personally disprove, but promote a type of world that I don't want to live in.

For example, the argument that having independent Dalmatian and Labrador Retriever breeds is superior to permanently mixing the two into one breed has sound logic, but I don't want to live in a world where men and women who meet, enjoy each other's company and want to start a family and life together cannot because a special interest group can't live with a particular vaguely defined ethnicity eventually disappearing from the earth.

I'm simply not good enough at Internet arguing to "win" a debate where Ukrainians are a type of dog breed, but that doesn't convince me that I'm wrong about that being an ethically inferior world.

What's the better categorical ideal? That the world be a meritocracy to the best of our ability to create one? That we create systems in our countries where the best achieve the best successes and thereby create more opportunity for all or where we limited success of some because allowing people of the "wrong" race to be successful (and also live in the country and start a family with any woman who chooses him) is too upsetting to the race purists out there?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Again - this is still mixing of two things together.

You are mixing the RVF men, even my own personal non-White friends with mass politics. Since I have a best friend who is black, then obviously moving 300 mio. Africans into Europe will be dandy, right? Since the average IQ of black RVF members is likely above 110+, then it will be all dandy if we move 400 mio. Africans into Europe - we will get the same results, won't we?

And no - I don't hate my job and don't hate my dating life. Why the fuck has everything got to be connected to that? When I have a private jet and a boat, then I should not give a rat's ass that Rome is burning? Just drive off into the sunset with two cuties and everything is fine?

Of course I expect most masculine men to be pro wall. And even if we differ on some things, so what? That does not invalidate my perception of any RVF member here.

Sane identity politics are a must for all Western countries - this has nothing to do with Christianity but more with keeping the cultures intact. And if you don't believe in that then think about what would happen if you take in 200 mio. Whites, Indians or any other tribe into Japan? Would Japan still be Japan? If you say yes to that, then I am afraid there is nothing to talk about, because the thinking is deep in lala-land and not in any sane country.

The US by the way was created mostly by the anglo-tribes with other European Whites integrating into that fold. If that group becomes a minority then it will become something closer to Brazil or Mexico. You may deny it and scream and holler, but most people will see it happen in your lifetime. The only difference between now and the future will be that it will be too late to change it later.

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Also I will add to Suits.

When I meet with guys we rarely talk much about politics. Life is too precious to waste time on that when you are surrounded by cuties and have your life to live. I seldom talk politics in real life. Most of the time is spent laughing about crazy things that happen to each other, making fun of life. Heck - a few days ago we made fun of a Swedish girl who came from Malmo. "Hey - rape capitol of Europe, welcome! Soooo .... been raped recently? Did you like it, because I read that 50% of women climax when raped." She was a good sport and laughed at our teasing.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I've rewritten this post about five times but in the end the thread content is no longer the real issue. So here's the final draft.

The world is changing and so are race relations. I'm not happy or sad about it. There are benefits and drawbacks, but it's a fact. If certain members don't want those issues discussed because they feel it costs the forum too much then by all means, petition Roosh to shut it down. There's a legitimate argument for that, but it's not a call to be made by a self-proclaimed council of big-ball alphas.

You want options? Use facts. Use the report button. There is the option to ignore or block users. There is the option to petition Roosh himself. These are all legitimate tools at your disposal.

Then there is the option to slander people with childish insults and speculation on their worth as men in an attempt to socially ostracise members engaging in wrongspeak. Is that alpha masculine behaviour?

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(03-19-2018 10:02 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I posed the question not to take shots at the politics guys, but more to try and reconcile the two streams of thinking. I'm trying to understand why someone like yung Icarus thinks the way he does since he seems to have the tacit support of question a few vocal members. I can't relate to that way of thinking, but it seems to be becoming more and more common on our forum, so I'm trying to figure out how it all works without ridiculing anyone.

This, times a million. Thankyou!

[Suits]

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[Simeon_Strangelight]

Suits - I referred to Strikeback, though I don't know if he meant me.

Besides - I have the feeling that we talk across each other anyway - hyper-reality of the internet. Net views are probably not far apart from each other. Ah well - never mind.

[Suits]

(03-20-2018 04:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Suits - I referred to Strikeback, though I don't know if he meant me.

Besides - I have the feeling that we talk across each other anyway - hyper-reality of the internet. Net views are probably not far apart from each other. Ah well - never mind.

Sorry about that. You open to a Skype chat sometime? Maybe we'd learn more that way?

[StrikeBack]

Zelcorpion, I was addressing Going The Distance specifically, not you. I was posting right after his.

I don’t see anyone here advocating open borders, I don’t know why you keep bringing that up. I know it’s your favourite topic in the Politics section, and I do enjoy reading your posts there, but it’s irrelevant here.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Never mind - this thread should have a non-politics/non-race button at the top.

Chinese guy gets a cute Ukrainian girl - is admired by lots of Chinese men. Fine.

Even I hate politics moving everywhere.

[Barron]

(03-20-2018 04:13 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

You are right, your Christian ancestors would be ashamed of you.

It is only human for you to feel these, but that is not tribal. That is the scarcity mentality. When you’re thirsty, you get fearful and feel threatened by those who have more than you do. And yes it is very primal. We humans have a lot of primal tendencies that are not good for us, but through our faith and our minds, we control them and channel them towards a positive outcome for our life.

Tell me if I’m wrong: I can already see that you have a job that you loathe, and your dating life is either nonexistent or really struggling. If you are successful in your personal life, you will see all of these very differently. One needs to be strong and successful to be truly kind and generous. When you’re weak and losing at life, the nasty and petty side of you will come out. And yes, that too is only human. Doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable thing, especially on a site that is very much for self-improvement and neo-masculinity.

To the others: stop linking this to illegal or mass uncontrolled immigration. This is RVF, other than a few obvious trolls, we are all on the Trump train. We are pro-Wall and against all forms of uncontrolled immigration, illegal and legal. We’re pro-masculinity and anti-Marxist. Just because we are generous in spirit enough to congratulate a Chinese guy for having the balls to achieve much in his life doesn’t mean that we turn into suicidal open border soyboys, and by the way, the vast majority of those people are your fellow tribal whites.

Identity politics are for losers, that goes for both sides, left and right.

Prefacing your attack with a Cathy Newman-style straw-man coupled with the amount of shaming and projection in your anecdotal rant is telling.
He brought up a point and supported it with an irrefutable truth proven via evolutionary biology (see the part I bolded and repped him for).
If you don't like science, RVF has a special gif locked and loaded

[Cyr]

(03-20-2018 05:10 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 04:13 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

You are right, your Christian ancestors would be ashamed of you.

It is only human for you to feel these, but that is not tribal. That is the scarcity mentality. When you’re thirsty, you get fearful and feel threatened by those who have more than you do. And yes it is very primal. We humans have a lot of primal tendencies that are not good for us, but through our faith and our minds, we control them and channel them towards a positive outcome for our life.

Tell me if I’m wrong: I can already see that you have a job that you loathe, and your dating life is either nonexistent or really struggling. If you are successful in your personal life, you will see all of these very differently. One needs to be strong and successful to be truly kind and generous. When you’re weak and losing at life, the nasty and petty side of you will come out. And yes, that too is only human. Doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable thing, especially on a site that is very much for self-improvement and neo-masculinity.

To the others: stop linking this to illegal or mass uncontrolled immigration. This is RVF, other than a few obvious trolls, we are all on the Trump train. We are pro-Wall and against all forms of uncontrolled immigration, illegal and legal. We’re pro-masculinity and anti-Marxist. Just because we are generous in spirit enough to congratulate a Chinese guy for having the balls to achieve much in his life doesn’t mean that we turn into suicidal open border soyboys, and by the way, the vast majority of those people are your fellow tribal whites.

Identity politics are for losers, that goes for both sides, left and right.

Prefacing your attack with a Cathy Newman-style straw-man coupled with the amount of shaming and projection in your anecdotal rant is telling.
He brought up a point and supported it with an irrefutable truth proven via evolutionary biology (see the part I bolded and repped him for).
If you don't like science, RVF has a special gif locked and loaded

No one really wants to argue with you, just relax.

[iop890]

I've lost track of what the argument is about but I know you're all wrong.

[Cobra]

(03-20-2018 02:19 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 10:02 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I posed the question not to take shots at the politics guys, but more to try and reconcile the two streams of thinking. I'm trying to understand why someone like yung Icarus thinks the way he does since he seems to have the tacit support of question a few vocal members. I can't relate to that way of thinking, but it seems to be becoming more and more common on our forum, so I'm trying to figure out how it all works without ridiculing anyone.

I'll bite as a white American. A lot of times when I'm going about my day to day life, I don't really think about interracial couples when I see them. But there are times that I do think like Icarus.

Usually, that's when everyday examples in the real world affect me.

For example, one job I had was 80% black women, 10% hispanic women, and about 10% of men who were a mixture of whites, blacks and hispanics. One day while I was going about my work day, my boss (an Italian American) stopped over to my desk to shoot the shit with me and remarked how "diverse" the company was. It was a non political conversation. The man was about as non political as you can get.

It's moments like those that you think wait a minute.....What is diverse? Would my boss, who was an ethnic 3rd generation Italian American himself, say that the company was diverse if it had 80% Italian women fresh off the boat from Florence?

For example, another company that I had an interview for one time, again just waiting in the lobby for about 30 minutes it looked like a healthy mix of females and males, but about 75% black. My interviewing manager, a black American, told me in the interview how "diverse" it was to work there and that "I would have to be comfortable working with people who look don't look like me".

Our conversation was not political. The job was non political. I put on my resume my experiences in Europe. I had an interviewer telling me "I have to be comfortable working with people who don't look like me" when I have academic experience in Europe studying abroad on a whole other continent. It's moments like those that you think wait a minute......What is diverse?

For example, going to Europe on vacation for the first time and seeing minimum police presence while I carelessly strolled about the streets with not a care in the world, only to go back five years later and see the military out patrolling the streets like it's Baghdad, probably because that area now is de-facto Baghdad.

I know why the military is there, it's not because of the ethnic Europeans. It's moments like those that I think, wait a minute........... Is this diversity really our strength? You're damn right I would've asked the same question with the Irish in the 1990's too.

For example, driving down the road to the supermarket to pick up some chicken breasts while jamming out to some Cake "Going The Distance", only to see a Black Lives Matter advertisement with the Black Power fists raised and something about white privilege splattered across it.

For the record, I believe they have every right to and good for them if they want to band together. However, it's moments like that when I think wait a minute........If this diversity is our strength, why the fuck do I feel that little knot in my stomach and subtle subconscious reactions kicking in when I see those pictures of those raised black fists?

In moments like these, I absolutely will look at interracial couples in a threatened way like Icarus described in some of his posts. That is because you can not ignore biology - 9 times out of 10 their children will not be a part of my tribe because ethnic Europeans have the most recessive genes out of anybody on the planet. Those interracial couples are not popping out blue eyed and red/blonde haired babies 99% of the time.

Now, Fortis, in the four examples of me going about my day to day business and having those series of events occur to me, is that right of me to feel threatened by those interracial couples (or even minorities) for merely being in my presence? Absolutely not.

My grandparents and great grandparents on all sides of my family were such good Christians that they would be ashamed of me for having those subtle thoughts kicking in in those situations. I know they would.

Hell, I'm ashamed of myself when I recognize those thoughts going on in my head after similar situations to the ones that I described above. Because those random interracial couples or minorities are probably for the most part awesome people and if I talked to them we would probably like each other.

All I can say man, is that it's some primal shit. Is that beta of me? Yes. Do I need to work on that? Absolutely. Does that make me a bad person? It's a strong possibility, though I'm more inclined to think that it makes me human.

Hopefully that gives you an idea of how these thoughts can come along. It's hard to escape the world sometimes and at the end of the day, we're not perfect.

I have an idea as to how these thoughts came along and I know how you feel believe it or not, even if I'm coming from the other side of the "race" aisle. I'll attempt to provide my own experience. Maybe you can learn from it, or maybe not. I just hope that either way, you can see where I'm coming from.

What you described are natural feelings. When I moved here to the USA at the age of 12, I didn't know how to speak English conversationally, and even had that thick Indian accent. Suffice to say, the beginning years did not go well. I was ridiculed and attacked by mainly the white kids around me. They made my life an insecure living hell.

My parents, also not knowing the best conversational english, scraped by. There was no Indian community to come to our rescue and neither was there other Indian kids for me to connect with. I truly felt alone and my parents felt that way too. Yet, they never took a cent from the government in aid and just worked their asses off so me and my sister could one day be better off.

Did I hold a "grudge" against anyone white for a long time? Hell yeah, I did. I had a "victim" mentality full force at that time. Some of those kids that bullied me as a child, I see them on facebook. They are degenerates. Period. Let's look at the flip side. Not all of them were degenerates. Some were good people that I got in touch with later and made amends with. We were all children, judging as children do, but again, we were children not adults like us here that know the difference. The thoughts you call primal, I had those thoughts here, but later I realized they were just immature childish thoughts.

It wasn't long until I realized that in order to be successful, I need to stop crying and come to grips with the reality that I will never go back to India. This is my home. I need to adopt it, accept it and own it. The best way to do this, I thought was to join the military. I served for 8 years and made NCO in about 3+. We didn't see color in any of my commands. I could shoot the shit with any one, white, black, filipino, whatever. We were brothers. It is here that I learned for the first time that performance matters a hell of a lot more than race and how to finally accept what is around me.

I went on to leave the Navy and eventually got the GI Bill to fund an education in Finance/Accounting, which I used to get into one of the biggest consulting firms in the world. After working there, I went into the industry and eventually ended up at my current firm selling consulting services in my field. I recently got offered equity in the company, another words, become an owner as of April 1.

It was somewhere in between this time I found the forum and also met many guys that helped me through some tough times. I learned game, became positive, and stopped blaming my race. That truly took me from a beta worker bee to someone today that I can respect. You are more than welcome to see factual accounts of many of my approaches, my journey, data sheets, whatever.

These days, if I meet a white person, I consciously make the effort to get to know them as people and understand who they truly are. Why do I need to make that extra effort? Because, I know I subconsciously used to hate them. That subconscious is now almost all gone and it's become more of a habit for me to be as cordial as possible. If I can do that, so can you. In addition, so can the rest of the political race war crowd.

Look, what I said above may seem like word vomit, but I'm just showing you how I overcame pretty much every obstacle to get to where I am and get over my tendency to see race as a barrier or source of victimization. If I can do it, there is no reason in the world you can't either.

You said, you have these feelings and you may be a bad person. You're not. That I can tell; and, yes, you are human. However, as a man, I definitely recommend recognizing and owning those feelings and getting out there and consciously putting in action and work. Why? Because all that happens with this forum and a few of its members posting political problems is that it promotes pessimism and takes away the optimistic perspective of game and masculinity. To reiterate what I already said: It's a cancer.

My point is that we're here to assist you and find a solution if you'd like.

(03-20-2018 05:10 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 04:13 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

You are right, your Christian ancestors would be ashamed of you.

It is only human for you to feel these, but that is not tribal. That is the scarcity mentality. When you’re thirsty, you get fearful and feel threatened by those who have more than you do. And yes it is very primal. We humans have a lot of primal tendencies that are not good for us, but through our faith and our minds, we control them and channel them towards a positive outcome for our life.

Tell me if I’m wrong: I can already see that you have a job that you loathe, and your dating life is either nonexistent or really struggling. If you are successful in your personal life, you will see all of these very differently. One needs to be strong and successful to be truly kind and generous. When you’re weak and losing at life, the nasty and petty side of you will come out. And yes, that too is only human. Doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable thing, especially on a site that is very much for self-improvement and neo-masculinity.

To the others: stop linking this to illegal or mass uncontrolled immigration. This is RVF, other than a few obvious trolls, we are all on the Trump train. We are pro-Wall and against all forms of uncontrolled immigration, illegal and legal. We’re pro-masculinity and anti-Marxist. Just because we are generous in spirit enough to congratulate a Chinese guy for having the balls to achieve much in his life doesn’t mean that we turn into suicidal open border soyboys, and by the way, the vast majority of those people are your fellow tribal whites.

Identity politics are for losers, that goes for both sides, left and right.

Prefacing your attack with a Cathy Newman-style straw-man coupled with the amount of shaming and projection in your anecdotal rant is telling.
He brought up a point and supported it with an irrefutable truth proven via evolutionary biology (see the part I bolded and repped him for).
If you don't like science, RVF has a special gif locked and loaded

Because you didn't feel Strikeback presented facts to you, I think you ignored his point entirely, or you might be utilizing that as a "plot hole" to justify your points. You also seemed to give him a rep because of this. It almost seems like you repped this member as a stance against Strikeback's point. That may or may not be true, but it seems like it given you have never met that member. I think agreeing is fine, but the whole rep system as I mentioned before has provided false seniority to more negative members with no clout in game. Just pointing this out.

On top of this, the member presented pessimistic view points that could turn into something totally negative. It almost even seemed like a bit of a call for help. Instead of assisting him, why encourage these views by providing reps? We should be providing a solution. Therein lies a major problem with this thread and political forums: Encouragement of hateful right leaning white members with pessimistic view points who no one seems to have met by right leaning white members that are fine people, who have met forum members, are credible and should know better.

Why do you gentlemen feel the need to encourage these race warriors playing identity politics (not saying the member above I quoted is)? Some of them haven't even met a single member and have no credibility? To value that against other members non-white or not, who have added immense value to the forum? All they do is bring your white identity down into the gutter. You realize some of them are overweight middle aged men? Some who live with there parents?

[GoingTheDistance]

(03-20-2018 04:13 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

I have family members that are liberal and don't agree with me on one single political topic. They are still my family and I love them very much and are a part of who I am.

[GoingTheDistance]

(03-20-2018 05:10 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 04:13 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

To Going The Distance:

So you’re saying the non-white men here who vote/support Trump, the Wall etc. and generally agree with the rest on most core issues men face in the modern age are not part of your tribe, but the people who look like you, voted for Hillary and generally do everything to take away your rights and make your life a living hell are part of your tribe.

You are right, your Christian ancestors would be ashamed of you.

It is only human for you to feel these, but that is not tribal. That is the scarcity mentality. When you’re thirsty, you get fearful and feel threatened by those who have more than you do. And yes it is very primal. We humans have a lot of primal tendencies that are not good for us, but through our faith and our minds, we control them and channel them towards a positive outcome for our life.

Tell me if I’m wrong: I can already see that you have a job that you loathe, and your dating life is either nonexistent or really struggling. If you are successful in your personal life, you will see all of these very differently. One needs to be strong and successful to be truly kind and generous. When you’re weak and losing at life, the nasty and petty side of you will come out. And yes, that too is only human. Doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable thing, especially on a site that is very much for self-improvement and neo-masculinity.

To the others: stop linking this to illegal or mass uncontrolled immigration. This is RVF, other than a few obvious trolls, we are all on the Trump train. We are pro-Wall and against all forms of uncontrolled immigration, illegal and legal. We’re pro-masculinity and anti-Marxist. Just because we are generous in spirit enough to congratulate a Chinese guy for having the balls to achieve much in his life doesn’t mean that we turn into suicidal open border soyboys, and by the way, the vast majority of those people are your fellow tribal whites.

Identity politics are for losers, that goes for both sides, left and right.

Prefacing your attack with a Cathy Newman-style straw-man coupled with the amount of shaming and projection in your anecdotal rant is telling.
He brought up a point and supported it with an irrefutable truth proven via evolutionary biology (see the part I bolded and repped him for).
If you don't like science, RVF has a special gif locked and loaded

I'm glad you found value in that post and the point that I was trying to get across. I wasn't trying to come across as malicious.