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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-28-2015, 10:42 PM
I think a lot of you guys are taking this race-bating and storm front accusations way too far.
The OP's reaction to a change like this isn't uncommon.
I remember when Interview with a Vampire was being done and they cast Tom Cruise. The people who loved those books were all pissed because Tom Cruise looked nothing like the way the vampire was described in the book.
Then you have that Fifty Shades of Grey movie and you would have noticed the same reactions when they were casting for the main role. Plenty of negative reactions to actors listed as possible contenders.
So the OP brings up the fact that this character is now black and he believes this is a PC appeasement and some of you guys go off on him like he is some racist.
I'm glad he was upfront on how he felt. I think some of the guys lobbing accusations towards him have more issued with race than him.
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01-28-2015, 11:32 PM
Let's face it. These comics were created by people in a segregated atmosphere. Now it's being placed into a different atmosphere where there's some overcompensation in the casting for political correctness. At the same time it's supposed to be real. But let's face reality.
Making a male character black isn't as unrealistic as remaking male characters as females. There are strong black guys out there so it makes sense that if the stories were plausible some characters would in fact be black. Most of America just isn't ready to believe that fully yet even though race relations are starting to improve.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-28-2015, 11:52 PM
Why couldn't they cast his sister black as well? In the comics they're biologically related.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-29-2015, 12:16 AM
So are they related or not? The movie's team is just going to have the siblings have a promiscuous mother, one black father for the Torch and one white father for the Invisible Woman?
Race/ethnicity is right there after gender. Saying "gender is a much bigger difference than race" is fallacious. If that is the level of the argument, then there shouldn't be casting directors, the profession should go extinct in Hollywood. Before you consider facial features, hair color, build, eye color, height, voice, acting ability, you make sure the man is the same ethnicity as the character.
It's like Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher. A 10 inch deficit (Reacher is 6'5'' or something in the books) is unbelievable. Cruise looks nothing remotely like Reacher, and there was a huge furor when the news that Cruise was cast broke. In this case, we have a black guy playing a white guy. Again, the actor bears no resemblance to the character. So the protests are absolutely justified.
The actor could be a good Johnny Storm, I don't dispute that. That's not the issue, it's that there's like a billion and a half white guys who would do a good job as well, in addition to literally looking the part.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-29-2015, 04:35 AM
Jimmy Olsen in the new Supergirl series is being played by a black guy too. Shit happens.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/328191...-supergirl
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01-29-2015, 05:57 AM
Look at hunger games.
That little girl who was killed in the 1, and the guy played by Lenny Kravitz, were met with furor upon readers learning they had cast black actors for the role.
Who cares about their race in the films now?
That "attack on white heterosexual men" is going way too far.
just wait for the film, before casting criticism.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-29-2015, 08:48 AM
Quote: (01-28-2015 07:32 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:
Quote: (01-28-2015 06:48 PM)Krusyos Wrote:
Also, I'll be looking forward to a new movie with Chris Hemsworth as Shaka Zulu.
I know right, that'd be about as stupid as having Ben Kingsley play Gandhi.
...except Ben Kingsley's Indian. His real name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-29-2015, 07:57 PM
^^^^ I didn't know other countries had their own versions of superheroes. I always thought that when they show American movies outside the U.S its always just translated in subtitles while maintaining the original.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-29-2015, 09:43 PM
Quote: (01-29-2015 05:57 AM)mikado Wrote:
Look at hunger games.
That little girl who was killed in the 1, and the guy played by Lenny Kravitz, were met with furor upon readers learning they had cast black actors for the role.
Who cares about their race in the films now?
That "attack on white heterosexual men" is going way too far.
just wait for the film, before casting criticism.
I think the issue is that if they can't even get races correct, and especially when two characters are supposed to be related, then already the filmmakers are needlessly deviating from the source material.
It's also more idiotic double standards on race: race doesn't matter, we're all the same... but you better have the right diversity.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-30-2015, 04:29 AM
Race threads are so fucking predictable I honest didn't see any other outcome. But the major criticism seems to be that hollywood id somehow trying to pander to some SJWs but that's honestly a weak argument.
How can you even prove that?
When would it ever be OK to replace a "traditionally white character" with a minority? (which happened just recently with christian bale this summer but of course that flew under the radar)
You can't just say the evil SJWs are pandering without at least backing it up. IT seems liberals and SJWs are becoming a very convenient boogeyman.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie
01-30-2015, 04:59 PM
You can say Female Thor and Black Human Torch are both forced, but at least Black Human Torch will be masked by a good actor.