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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 04:13 AM
Don't for a minute think that Andy Yosha isn't having a massive mind-wank from all this given him and Tom fell out and Tom left the company.
The evidence looks pretty solid and I haven't spoken to Tom about it yet but....
Let me just reassure everyone and with 100% absolute certainty: Tom is the real deal. I have been on two game holidays with him, one to EE and one to France plus I have winged him several times in London. He has world class daygame skills, and I have personally seen him wow and charm many young, hot girls. The girls I saw him pull in EE were very hot. I have shared the same apartment as the guy and (sadly) heard him banging away in his bedroom on hot girls I saw him pull from daygame.
This is the weird thing. If Tom DID set up that video it must have been out of laziness or God knows what, but I have personally, with my own eyes, seen him do multiple sets way, way better than that in real life. The actual set on the video was pretty shit. I could go out with Tom and my iphone on Oxford Street over lunch and film something better than that. Madness.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 05:10 AM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!! It cant be!
Don't debate me.
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12-11-2014, 06:11 AM
I mean, props to these guys to the fact of being able to maintain a lifestyle paid by hunting pussy. But I imagine that to be a very empty type of lifestyle, I mean, look at how Yad looks and acts. They go from city to city, only focussing on pussy and living The guy talks with the softest girly voice and has a pretty big belly. He should take a few voice courses himself first. Andy seems to have his stuff on lockdown however.
Otherwise, their material is pretty legit.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 08:56 AM
Isn't this video really old when tom was first trying to make a name for himself? I can see why he did it, pay some camera man to follow you around for two weeks to get a good kiss close or just pay some girl £100. I know what I would choose.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 08:58 AM
The fundamental problem with using daygame (or game in general) teaching as a business, is that after a certain point there is nothing more to learn from an instructor. That point can come pretty quickly, assuming you actually put in the effort and do several hundred approaches. But it is hard. I suspect many guys want to just pay for new products over and over again because it fools them into thinking they're "doing" daygame. It's way easier than going out and getting rejected. There is no way Krauser would be friends with someone who's a fraud, so I chalk this up to bs between former business partners turned competitors.
This should also be a reminder that you have to go out in the real world and interact with people. I've noticed a distinct uptick in internet forum drama in the gaming community.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 09:50 AM
That text exchange seems a little too convenient to be true to me, so I'm going to stay on the fence.
If it does turn out to be true though, I don't see how it can be excused. Instructors prepared to fake videos are insulting their clients and should be frozen out of this community.
Edit, just opened the link and saw the rest of the evidence. Seems pretty damning.
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12-11-2014, 09:58 AM
The sheer extent of the commercialization of game that's come about is something that's really starting to become distasteful to me, and I suspect, to others as well.
There are dozens upon dozens of companies and instructors each offering to help you do the same thing - "GET THE WOMEN THAT YOU WANT" - if you pay x amount of dollars for their products.
Yes, each game producer may have their own pretty-looking flowchart that demonstrates their model for picking up chicks, and they may have their own unique suggestions on how to stop a girl whilst daygaming, but at the end of the day, do all these minute differentiations justify the expensive costs that come with these products? I think that there really isn't that much that separates the material offered by one "producer of game" to the other.
All of these companies are money-making ventures, don't forget. Yes, they may exist to teach men game, but at the end of the day they're there to make their owners profit.
Yet you can go onto the blogs of people like RooshV or Roissy/CH or Rollo Tomassi, and read their blog posts which expound upon the exact same topics, and offer much the same advice, for free or virtually free. (Full disclosure, I have bought the full compendium of RooshV's work, but there's so much value for the money that it's shocking that it's so cheap. It's nowhere near as much of a money-making venture as someone like RSD.) Blogs like those three offer just as much relevant advice on game, but they're not set up to be like the other companies churning out products that don't seem to be truly that much different from their competitors. They focus on more than that - on topics like travel and living abroad, or Western cultural collapse, or the illogic and ridiculousness of feminism and SJWism. This focus on purity of thought from commercialism, I think, is what truly separates us (the RedPill-sphere?) from the PUA industry.
Guys that are coming to learn game are people that haven't had success at all in an area of their life which is one of the most important - if not the most important - for a man to get right. They've been beaten down and told by society that if they don't get it naturally at first, then they're just doomed, that they should just accept their lot in life. I can understand that game companies and instructors want to receive compensation for their time and efforts, but it seems really distasteful to be making money off of other men's misfortunes. Especially when the stuff they can read for free on the Internet is just as relevant and useful to them.
What do you guys think?
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-11-2014, 11:32 AM
I'm deliberately holding off on giving my opinion on this until Tom has given his response. More generally, I think PUAhaters are petty losers who haven't the slightest scruples about lying and cheating to attack somebody's reputation. In this case the troll who posted the initial "actress" post set up "krauserpua" accounts on both Sluthate and Daygame.com forums to try to blame me for the accusations.
This is the same guy who constantly trolls the London Seduction Society and was caught faking negative reviews of Steve Jabba. He hasn't the slightest integrity or credibility. However, like I said, regarding this specific allegation against Tom I'm holding my tongue a little while longer.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-12-2014, 08:40 AM
Next thing they will be telling us wrestling is fake. Oh wait...
Don't debate me.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-12-2014, 08:54 AM
Damn, that sucks. Tom was a great inspiration to me, showing me that even an ugly ass man like him can pull tail. From what you guys are saying, it seems as though he is a legit player, just got a bit lazy.
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-12-2014, 09:25 AM
It takes seconds to lose your reputation as the saying goes
That's too bad, he's clearly legit in my mind.
His poor judgment to stage a video will cost him some, time will tell just how much
As an aside agree with menace once you get the basic framework of daygame hitting the streets is the next step. Its easy to fall into the trap that the next product book etc will give you the skills
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Daygame.com ex-instructor Tom Torero exposed in a fake video
12-12-2014, 09:35 AM
A complete insult to his customers and also his colleagues, who's reputations could also be damaged by their association with him. I'm sure it will cost him customers and book sales, and rightly so.
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12-12-2014, 11:54 AM
Tom will recover, his content is a cut above