[Nemencine]

I am contrarian on this.

I understand what you are trying to do, and your heart is in the right place. However....

One of the cardinal sins of business is to start an enterprise in an area far outside your field of expertise. The likelihood of failure for such an enterprise is very high.

Even in cases when a person can leverage their skills-set(or knowledge) into starting a business(in a field they are intimately familiar with); the chances of failure is still very high... then, what are the odds when you are out of your depth? The chances of failure is exponential.

RVF, your blog and ROK are successful because they are based on things you live, breath, eat, shite and shag everyday. Gaming bitches is your life. It translates in the form of RVF, rooshv.com and ROK. However, the same cannot be said about your relationship with videogames.

You creating a video-gaming website will be like Quintus Curtius creating a website forum/platform for medical doctors.... or MikeCF creating a website platform for theoretical physicists... or a standard, sane, normal university chick creating RVF or ROK.....

Do we have historical examples of people who started businesses in areas they were not previously familiar with? Yes. To give two quick examples. Mark Cuban did this with computers... but he initially spent over a year insanely familiarizing himself with everything he could get his hands on about the web, computer parts and software...before even starting a business in that field. James Cameron studied literature and physics... then found success as a director in hollywood... but before this he initially lost himself in animation... then moved on to directing animation... before clawing his way to directing movies... In fact, you(Roosh) are one such an example... you started a business about picking up fit birds.... which previously wasn't your area of expertise... but you first acquired expertise in shagging women, before successfully turning it into a business... Imagine the early Roosh(early university days Roosh) trying to start something like ROK or RVF at that specific point in time? The later Roosh? yes. clearly. The early Roosh? very unlikely.

Bottomline? Everybody has to pay their dues... which leads to the question: Are you willing to thoroughly immerse yourself in videogames and videogame culture?

The formula for successful enterprise has always been: build up your expertise/knowledge ---- then ---> build a business on that expertise. This applies to your ROK or RVF too. The idea of a hands-off approach(that you, Roosh, are advocating) to building a video gaming journalism business is not practical(if not outright impossible). You cannot build a business in an area you are not knowledgeable about. The only context i have known this to work is if you straight-up buy a functional, existing business and then take a hands-off approach to its day to day activities e.g. warren buffett's modus operandi. Or if you come in as an operations manager into an already existing business and optimize the fuck out of their logistics or six-sigma their arses. However, starting a business from scratch with a hands-off approach? or without strong familiarity with the subject matter, just thinking you will surround yourself with experts to just do the job?.... the odds are not good...

Anyways, that is my two pence on the matter... It will be interesting to see what eventually happens... to see if your business model with regards to videogames journalism will work. As always, may fortune favours the bold...

regards,

Nemencine

edit: to clarify QC and MikeCF comparison.

[TheWastelander]

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

I am contrarian on this.

I understand what you are trying to do, and your heart is in the right place. However....

One of the cardinal sins of business is to start an enterprise in an area far outside your field of expertise. The likelihood of failure for such an enterprise is very high.

Even in cases when a person can leverage their skills-set(or knowledge) into starting a business(in a field they are intimately familiar with); the chances of failure is still very high... then, what are the odds when you are out of your depth? The chances of failure is exponential.

RVF, your blog and ROK are successful because they are based on things you live, breath, eat, shite and shag everyday. Gaming bitches is your life. It translates in the form of RVF, rooshv.com and ROK. However, the same cannot be said about your relationship with videogames.

You creating a video-gaming website will be like Quintus Curtius creating a website for medical doctors.... or MikeCF creating a website for theoretical physicists... or a standard, sane, normal university chick creating RVF or ROK.....

I agree with much of your post, except this part.

Thankfully it's not that hard to do your research on video games or become an "expert" on them. It's mainly first person shooters and third person hack n' slash stuff today that you can figure out pretty quickly.

Medicine, theoretical physics, etc. are infinitely more difficult to become an expert in.

He also has a lot of people to draw from, including his own brother, to help him with this endeavor.

That and if he really wants to become an expert all he has to do is shell out cash to create a rig that can play modern games, devote a little time to it, and play some games.

It's pretty much that simple.

[Sombro]

You might as well go all the way and come up with an alternative for Twitter, since they're ruining that now too.
Look for innovators, investors, etc.

[Haig]

Great idea.

As a massive gamer, I would love to contribute/help any way I can.

(Starts digging out old SEGA consoles)

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

You creating a video-gaming website will be like Quintus Curtius creating a website for medical doctors.... or MikeCF creating a website for theoretical physicists... or a standard, sane, normal university chick creating RVF or ROK.....

Did I read his original post wrong? All I thought Roosh was doing was creating the space, and was outsourcing the writing and direction of the website to actual gamers.

Dr. Howard Wrote:

Could you at least do some sort of RVF/ROK homage, as in like Cr33pin's infamous pictures of semi naked girls reading bang have semi naked chicks holding video game controllers or games being written about?

I'm sure if Roosh creates the space, the 'gamer gurlz' types will provide the attention-whoring.

[Yatagan]

(11-11-2014 02:22 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

You creating a video-gaming website will be like Quintus Curtius creating a website for medical doctors.... or MikeCF creating a website for theoretical physicists... or a standard, sane, normal university chick creating RVF or ROK.....

Did I read his original post wrong? All I thought Roosh was doing was creating the space, and was outsourcing the writing and direction of the website to actual gamers.

Dr. Howard Wrote:

Could you at least do some sort of RVF/ROK homage, as in like Cr33pin's infamous pictures of semi naked girls reading bang have semi naked chicks holding video game controllers or games being written about?

I'm sure if Roosh creates the space, the 'gamer gurlz' types will provide the attention-whoring.

Speaking of such, one article idea they can roll with is explaining how these "gamer gurlz" aren't all that they're cracked up to be contrary to the wishful thinking of your average blue pill gamer simp.

[Bear Hands]

(11-11-2014 02:29 PM)Seboist Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 02:22 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

You creating a video-gaming website will be like Quintus Curtius creating a website for medical doctors.... or MikeCF creating a website for theoretical physicists... or a standard, sane, normal university chick creating RVF or ROK.....

Did I read his original post wrong? All I thought Roosh was doing was creating the space, and was outsourcing the writing and direction of the website to actual gamers.

Dr. Howard Wrote:

Could you at least do some sort of RVF/ROK homage, as in like Cr33pin's infamous pictures of semi naked girls reading bang have semi naked chicks holding video game controllers or games being written about?

I'm sure if Roosh creates the space, the 'gamer gurlz' types will provide the attention-whoring.

Speaking of such, one article idea they can roll with is explaining how these "gamer gurlz" aren't all that they're cracked up to be contrary to the wishful thinking of your average blue pill gamer simp.

The entire article would boil down to, "Insecure girls and insecure guys prey on each other and ultimately leave neither side happy. Two insecure people can't make a successful coupling."

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Bottomline? Everybody has to pay their dues... which leads to the question: Are you willing to thoroughly immerse yourself in videogames and videogame culture? "

This is probably true, but you're making a mistake: Roosh won't be the one writing most of the articles. I'll be a columnist there, and I know more about my own niche (Japanese gaming) than 95% of the journalists who write on it today. The only guy I can think of who comes close is the Kotaku Japan writer, and I can do something he can't: write reviews of Japanese games before their US launch date.

I know there's at least one competition-level fighting gamer who'll be writing as well. And one of the other writers is a high-end eSports player. One has been running his own gaming site for a while. One is a hardcore strategy gamer. One knows everything there is to know about retro games. And I'm probably forgetting a few.

So there'll be no lack of hardcore gamers doing the writing. It won't be Roosh writing listicles like "Ten things I learned playing Angry Birds while sitting around at a bar and waiting for a chick to show up."

[Nemencine]

@WASTELANDER. @ANONYMOUSBORCH

With all due respect, had any of you ever started and run a successful business before? from scratch. Have you started a business that eventually failed?

I have done both. unsuccessful and Successful business.

Starting a business, any business for that matter is never as simple as you both outlined. Actual outcomes differs significantly from theoretical expectations.

The reason i say this is because of your response "Roosh just need to do this or do that..or get this or get that..." trust me, it is never that simple. It doesn't matter if it is videogames platform journalism or selling bananas on a street corner or pimping hoes on east end london. Business has certain cardinal rules.

It doesn't matter if Roosh is just creating the space for gamers or writing all the articles himself. The first cardinal rule: never start a business in an area you don't have serious knowledge in. And you cannot start a business from scratch while be hands-off.

This post of mine, where YMG and I talked about our experience starting a successful business should shed some insights: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-41822-...#pid865594

regards,

Nemencine

p.s. overall, i am not sure it matters now... the horses already left the barn-- Roosh already decided to do this... all we can do is wish him best of luck.

@ SONSOWEY below
Mentioning Gawker media as a model... but that is my point: gawker built a successful business, then turn around and engages in the acquisition of established businesses(e.g Jezebel)... Nick dention didn't start Jezebel from scratch. Roosh acquiring a gaming website platform is different from roosh building one from scratch. I already outlined this distinction:

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

... The only context i have known this to work is if you straight-up buy a functional, existing business and then take a hands-off approach to its day to day activities e.g. warren buffett's modus operandi. Or if you come in as an operations manager into an already existing business and optimize the fuck out of their logistics or six-sigma their arses.....

Anyways, it will be interesting to see how this goes. I wish Roosh the best of luck.

@HEDONISTIC TRAVERLER below.
You apparently think that if he is *just managing* it rather than contributing, that makes a difference. My contention is that there is no such thing as *just managing* a business you started from scratch. I will stand corrected if you ever known a successful business started from scratch where the starter *just manage* it. The only time this kind of model works is if the business is already functional, running on full steam and you come in to buy it out. Then, you can *just manage* the gardens... "caretaker management style" to use the parlance in the industry. This is not about what *looks* rational and sensible... this is about what the actual reality will be. That is what differentiate experience of actually running a business, from theoretical expectation.

It really doesnt matter now anyways, Roosh has thrown himself into ths... all we can do is wish Roosh the best of luck in this enterprise... heaven knows we need less medium infested with SJW maggots.

@ HANDSOME CREEPY EEL.

I don't know what the startup cost is or the opportunty cost is... but things are never what they seem upfront... i am sure some of the headaches involved in running ROK or RVF were never anticipated in the beginning.... doesnt mean you cannot adapt and make it flourish. Again, good luck to Roosh... at the very least, it will be an interesting experience. Personally, i am fascinated to see if a business model that defies my business experience/knowledge becomes successful... it will be an interesting experimental result to observe in real time.

[Hedonistic Traveler]

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

One of the cardinal sins of business is to start an enterprise in an area far outside your field of expertise. The likelihood of failure for such an enterprise is very high.

Even in cases when a person can leverage their skills-set(or knowledge) into starting a business(in a field they are intimately familiar with); the chances of failure is still very high... then, what are the odds when you are out of your depth? The chances of failure is exponential.

Good points. It sounds like Roosh is managing the site though, not writing for it. He has experience managing RoK and this should be a similar experience, albeit with a very different message.

The risk of starting an online business is pretty low too. If it doesn't take off than Roosh can just walk away. It's not as if he is investing in a storefront or renting an office.

--

Good luck on the site Roosh, I could see it having a real impact.

[Sonsowey]

I don't see the worry.

Gawker provides the model.

"OK here's my sports site, my gossip site, my game site, my technology site, my news site"

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Given that the startup costs of this are almost zero, I regard all possibilities of failure this way:

[Blobert]

(11-11-2014 02:01 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Thankfully it's not that hard to do your research on video games or become an "expert" on them. It's mainly first person shooters and third person hack n' slash stuff today that you can figure out pretty quickly.

Well, yes but no. It's a different thing to roughly know fps's and hack'n'slashes play, than to properly understand them to the degree you can write something interesting about them. Let alone with games where the product isn't aimed towards the lowest common denominator of the audience. It'd be very hard to get a new gaming site off the ground by simply covering the newest, most popular games, there's a million sites and jewtube channels for that already - you need some kind of more distinct niche besides "not SJW".

In the end the quality of the site is simply dependant on the quality of the writers there. Which I can't comment on yet naturally, but the positive thing is at least that they're not simply extensions of the PR machines of big publishing companies.

So yeah, it might not get off the ground but then, what's the worst that could happen.

[Duke Castile]

Nemecine- respectfully disagree.

Roosh could actually be very well suited for this if he follows his stated guidelines.

He has vast amounts of experience in sniffing out subtle SJW narratives being pushed as well as outright attacks.

If he gives users the freedom to submit honest content that critiques game experience with a handsofff besides officiating approach then theres a good chance it will flourish.

He also has a lot of experience in running platforms. I doubt nick denton is well versed in many of the topics of his (hopefully former) empire.

This could really be a great space for red pill views to organically be discovered.

[Menace]

[Gringuito]

I agree Nemecine. I've had my share of successes and failures. More often than not my failures were when I ran too far afield from my passions. I have succeeded buying companies where I wasn't very interested in the product, but that was with existing companies that had some market share.

I would normally recommend buying an existing gaming website but I'm not sure that would work in this case. The SJWs would come out in force and your existing writers/workers would be likely to leave en-mass due to the change in company culture. You would end up overspending money just for the website name.

All that being said I hope Roosh succeeds. You can't discount the enormous influence luck has on any business. If his website gets a critical mass of readers that are fed-up with the feminized articles on other websites, word of mouth could be enough.

(11-11-2014 03:48 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Nemecine- respectfully disagree.

Roosh could actually be very well suited for this if he follows his stated guidelines.

He has vast amounts of experience in sniffing out subtle SJW narratives being pushed as well as outright attacks.

If he gives users the freedom to submit honest content that critiques game experience with a handsofff besides officiating approach then theres a good chance it will flourish.

He also has a lot of experience in running platforms. I doubt nick denton is well versed in many of the topics of his (hopefully former) empire.

This could really be a great space for red pill views to organically be discovered.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-11-2014 01:44 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  

One of the cardinal sins of business is to start an enterprise in an area far outside your field of expertise. The likelihood of failure for such an enterprise is very high.

Even in cases when a person can leverage their skills-set(or knowledge) into starting a business(in a field they are intimately familiar with); the chances of failure is still very high... then, what are the odds when you are out of your depth? The chances of failure is exponential.

Equally-respectfully:



I loathe the modern concept that you need to be fully-educated and credentialised before attempting anything: that you can no longer seize the moment, sack up, fly by the seat of your pants and see what the hell happens.

Men are forged in fire. Being out of your depth is a good thing. Sometimes you fall on your face, sure, but other times you'll discover capabilities you didn't know you had.

I don't know how else to explain more specifics of my experience without it sounding like Big Ball Trolling, but, basically, if I followed your logic, I wouldn't have achieved anything in my life, to the extent I'm now juggling three simultaneous careers, two of which I'm not trained in, but am having good success with.

MikeCF is another guy who gets it: the social justice warriors are pointing and laughing at his juicing and male improvement sites as evidence he's a failure as a Lawyer. They don't understand the capacity a man has to experiment and multi-task through sheer relentlessness and intellectual-curiousity, which is why they're doomed to mediocrity. They never step outside their comfort zone and risk losing face through failing, because they would rather be snarky, cool and so far above everyone and everything that they're utterly-detached from any genuine joy about and interest in the world.

I lost a chunk of my 20's to Fibromyalgia after a severe case of chicken pox. Like Mike and his skin condition, I understand life is too short to sit on your arse, being scared of failing, because failure - being flat on your back, defeated, with the world spinning around you - doesn't have to define you. It can harden and strengthen you. This is the core difference between Red and Blue Pill thinkers.

I doubt this gaming site will be a huge expense for Roosh. He's got an adaptive, intelligent mind. All he has to do is experiment, observe, refine, which is exactly how he learnt game. That's all I did to achieve what I have in life.

You guys know I've been to University, sure, but if you assumed I ever finished High School, or have been in any way trained as a Writer, you're dead wrong.

[Glider]

Nemecine - Completely disagree.

Sure I wouldn't start a bricks and mortar business in a niche I have no idea about, but websites are different.

There are little to no up front costs, there are no risks for Roosh and the potential upsides are massive. I have created and made money from websites on range of topics I have no interest in whatsoever. From Criminal Justice Careers to Grants for Pregnant women, Pocket knives to Emergency plumbing. It simply doesn't matter.

[Krusyos]

I'd like to write a nice, devastating rant about the anti-male bullshit that is the new Dragon Age game.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-11-2014 05:51 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

I'd like to write a nice, devastating rant about the anti-male bullshit that is the new Dragon Age game.

I'm prepping one for 'The Last Of Us', and how it reveals the anti-male prejudices of the mainstream gaming press and their lack of empathy for others.

That being said: is this something gamers would want to read, or do they want a place free of that kind of intellectual discussion?

[placer]

(11-11-2014 05:18 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

social justice warriors [...] never step outside their comfort zone [to] risk losing face through failing

Very true. Here's a Salon piece which plays to the typical SJW narrative that if you take risks, you will be burned:

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/i_never_...my_dreams/

To save people a click, here's a summary

Quote:

I never should have followed my dreams

I quit my steady gig to fulfill my potential. Instead I went broke, and got fired from a job in doggie daycare

David Sobel

[...]

“I quit,”

[...]

Forty-two and single, I was jumping without a net into the potential person I was meant to be.

[...]

“Good for you,” my father said. “We’re meant to take risks. Read ‘Start-Up Nation’!”

[...]

Five months after my grand exit, I won retroactive unemployment benefits but was still jobless. I started to panic and attended résumé workshops, where I agonized over every bullet point. In my dreams at night I begged my boss, who’d put me on probation three times, for my old job back.

[...]

Nine months in, with my unemployment payments finished, my parents’ assistance exhausted, I responded to an ad on Craigslist for doggie daycare.

[...]

I stepped outside of the box to access my latent achiever and start a new career. Instead, I emptied my retirement fund and entered the psychiatric ward.

[Foolsgo1d]

We need a topic such as; 'Bang - XBOX Live'

[Ziltoid]

(11-11-2014 06:07 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 05:51 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

I'd like to write a nice, devastating rant about the anti-male bullshit that is the new Dragon Age game.

I'm prepping one for 'The Last Of Us', and how it reveals the anti-male prejudices of the mainstream gaming press and their lack of empathy for others.

That being said: is this something gamers would want to read, or do they want a place free of that kind of intellectual discussion?

I think mentioning and discussing it within the context of a review of the game as a whole is good. But singling out ideological points we disagree with and shitting on a game solely because of that would make us no better than feminists and social justice people.
A game can still be tons of fun to play, in spit of a shitty SJW-heavy storyline.

Think of the film 'The Birth of a Nation'.
Horribly racist.
But also downright brilliant cinematography.

[infowarrior1]

(11-11-2014 06:20 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 06:07 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 05:51 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

I'd like to write a nice, devastating rant about the anti-male bullshit that is the new Dragon Age game.

I'm prepping one for 'The Last Of Us', and how it reveals the anti-male prejudices of the mainstream gaming press and their lack of empathy for others.

That being said: is this something gamers would want to read, or do they want a place free of that kind of intellectual discussion?

I think mentioning and discussing it within the context of a review of the game as a whole is good. But singling out ideological points we disagree with and shitting on a game solely because of that would make us no better than feminists and social justice people.
A game can still be tons of fun to play, in spit of a shitty SJW-heavy storyline.

Think of the film 'The Birth of a Nation'.
Horribly racist.
But also downright brilliant cinematography.

There can be a gameplay rating, story quality rating and there can be a red pill meter like what Eincrou on Red pill Game reviews are doing.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RedPillGameReviews

[LeBeau]

(11-11-2014 12:45 PM)SNES Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:22 AM)Gnu Wrote:  

All Your Bitches Are Belong to Us

those unacquainted with machinima wont get it

Wrong, the original phrase, and all it's variations, go back a lot further than machinima:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-b...long-to-us

I don't even play videogames and I instantly got the joke. Plus, I think he was just having fun, this isn't an in depth marketing proposal.