[TheFinalEpic]

They say that anyone in the fitness industry that looks good is on gear, so even the "fitness model" looking guys can be enhancing. The best way to tell is the shoulder/trap/upper chest growth, as thats the first thing to blow up.

[MikeS]

Just found the nattyornot.com website a few days ago (after being annoyed by the word natty here and there lately - silly slang words tend to bug the hell out of me for a while), and if the articles on that site are to be trusted, the limits for what can be accomplished in terms of muscle size and muscle size accompanied by a "ripped" look, are quite modest for even genetically gifted people who don't take steroids, hormones and possibly a slew of other drugs as well to help with fat burning, balancing the side effects of some of the other drugs etc.

In my 22 years of working out (of which I've probably worked out multiple times a week for 17 of them or so, had two multi-year breaks) I've honestly never given much thought to which guys at the gyms were or weren't using performance enhancers. Aside from a couple of guys I knew peripherally from my social circle who went from skinny beginners to some of the biggest and strongest guys in that gym in less than a year - and with partial personality makeovers as well in the form of massively increased aggression.

Personally I haven't really seen any significant mass increases since a couple of years after I came off a ~3 year break, and while I keep training hard and heavy 3-4 times a week simply because I've always loved lifting weights, I rather suspect I've probably so more or less hit the limits for the muscle gains I can get naturally (which is far from "fitness model" levels, but if nattyornot is anything to go by, some of those guys are about as heavy as the Mr Olympias of Arnold's era and almost as loaded up on steroids etc. as the ones competing in pro bodybuilding).
Right now my goal will be to get down to around 10% bodyfat so my above averagely muscled body can look its best.

And though my choice of wording above probably sounded negative regarding drug use (honestly I don't really give a rat's ass what other people do to their own bodies - I've taken my fair share of recreational drugs when I was younger - I'm more concerned with beginners being mislead about what can be accomplished naturally and might give up when they don't see those rapid and phenomenal results they keep reading and hearing about), as I cross into my 40s in two years I certainly won't rule out there might come a day where I'll consider TRT or similar options if my natural testosterone production start dipping uncomfortably.

[anonymous123]

When I was competing in powerlifting there was this guy that was 78 years old. The competition ended up making an age class just for him. But, this guy posted a 315 bench and a 405 deadlift (he skipped the squat). He only weighed 185lbs, which was extremely impressive. I asked him how he kept on going and he said "I always thought it was better to wear out than rust out"

This guy was a big inspiration.

[Beyond Borders]

(05-27-2014 12:29 AM)kingjuice Wrote:  

70 year old bodybuilder. Started when he was 44.

Quote:

Bryant’s diet typically is a dry waffle or scrambled eggs with well-done bacon at Waffle House after he gets off work at 6 a.m. before hitting Gold’s Gym on Walton Way Extension an hour later.
He might not eat again until after his second workout of the day on his way to work at 10 p.m., which might be a piece of lean meat or sweet potato fries from Burger King.
Bryant says he maintains muscle by religiously taking vitamins and 180 grams of protein supplements every day.
“I don’t eat that much,” he said. “I never did three meals a day. As long as I’m busy, I don’t get hungry, I don’t get sleepy. It don’t bother me, so I feel like if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Bryant uses a common workout method called pyramid training, in which athletes gradually increase the amount of weight in a set then decrease the weight back to where they began to grow muscle mass.
Bryant never keeps track of the weight on his dumbbells, though. When deadlifting, he blindly adds weights to the 45-pound bar as sweat pours from his temples and down his cheeks.
His style isn’t as showy as that of the other guys in the gym. When he reached 425 pounds without counting one recent morning, his grunts were quieter than those from the men lifting half as much.
“Some people snatch it up, drop it down, make a show,” Bryant said. “No, no. That’s not why I do it.”

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/news-and...odybuilder

[kbell]

Nattyornot is an interesting website. I wouldn't be surprised if most fitness models are on something along with actors. Perhaps Eugene Sandows's greek sculpture like physique is the pinnacle you can reach without roids. Although his chest wasn't great since they didn't do much chest exercises back than.

[Hades]

I'm pretty sure Eugen Sandow would fail "Truth Seeker's" criteria for steroid use. So would Saxon, Goerner, Maxick.

[kbell]

How it wasn't discovered at the time?