There are several "health" indicators about the overall sexual market health of a city that are discussed around here- the "busted dudes test" being one of the more famous. Roosh tweeted recently about day game being better than night game as another indicator of a city with problems.
I wanted to bring up another indicator that I find particularly disturbing and have seen more recently. Multiple non-neckbeard guys (aka no obvious problems with their appearance/body language) trying to hit on the same average looking girl - at the same time.
I saw the worst example of this I've encountered recently on Saturday night - 5 guys, all taking turns hitting on the same semi-busted chick. She wasn't butt ugly, but there was NOTHING special about this chick at all. Not a beast, but definitely not anything close to a dime - beginnings of a spare tire, face kinda beat. 5, 6 at very, very best.
It would be one thing if this was a group of friends. But I could spot the body language a mile away. It didn't seem like the guys knew each other. They were all 100% focused on the girl, even when another guy was talking to her. Each of the guys was reaching out, touching her - basically trying to wrest her attention from the other guys trying to talk to her. And they stuck it out - they were there like this for 15 minutes+ until I left the bar with my girl (even she was blown away at their desperation).
As someone focused on self improvement- I wanted to point out the obvious flaws. Like "oh yeah look at all the neckbeards surrounding the 6 - maybe if they took an effort to hit the gym, or have better style". Honestly, that would have made the whole thing less disturbing and just something to laugh at. But that was the biggest problem. These guys were all fairly built. They weren't rocking lame clothes/style.
Of course game always triumphs everything including looks/style - but still it was disturbing. These guys are so thirsty that they would humiliate themselves taking turns hitting on this beat chick rather than try to get something else? This isn't North Dakota or an oil town in Wyoming or some shit like that. It's in a major city on the east coast US in one of supposedly the best neighborhoods for nightlife. When I first moved here 4 years ago I never saw shit like this.
It was close to last call so that certainly can be taken into account. But still. Go do street approaches if you are going for a hail-mary, or call it a night and put your energy into day game the next day. It was just sad to watch, and something that I haven't seen in my city until relatively recently. I've noticed a decline in quality / heightened competition in recent years, and this is just seems like another manifestation of that.
Of course it's technically possible that they all gang-banged her, in which I take back everything I just said about this particular group- but I feel like it's getting more common to see multiple guys hovering around the same girl.
I wanted to bring up another indicator that I find particularly disturbing and have seen more recently. Multiple non-neckbeard guys (aka no obvious problems with their appearance/body language) trying to hit on the same average looking girl - at the same time.
I saw the worst example of this I've encountered recently on Saturday night - 5 guys, all taking turns hitting on the same semi-busted chick. She wasn't butt ugly, but there was NOTHING special about this chick at all. Not a beast, but definitely not anything close to a dime - beginnings of a spare tire, face kinda beat. 5, 6 at very, very best.
It would be one thing if this was a group of friends. But I could spot the body language a mile away. It didn't seem like the guys knew each other. They were all 100% focused on the girl, even when another guy was talking to her. Each of the guys was reaching out, touching her - basically trying to wrest her attention from the other guys trying to talk to her. And they stuck it out - they were there like this for 15 minutes+ until I left the bar with my girl (even she was blown away at their desperation).
As someone focused on self improvement- I wanted to point out the obvious flaws. Like "oh yeah look at all the neckbeards surrounding the 6 - maybe if they took an effort to hit the gym, or have better style". Honestly, that would have made the whole thing less disturbing and just something to laugh at. But that was the biggest problem. These guys were all fairly built. They weren't rocking lame clothes/style.
Of course game always triumphs everything including looks/style - but still it was disturbing. These guys are so thirsty that they would humiliate themselves taking turns hitting on this beat chick rather than try to get something else? This isn't North Dakota or an oil town in Wyoming or some shit like that. It's in a major city on the east coast US in one of supposedly the best neighborhoods for nightlife. When I first moved here 4 years ago I never saw shit like this.
It was close to last call so that certainly can be taken into account. But still. Go do street approaches if you are going for a hail-mary, or call it a night and put your energy into day game the next day. It was just sad to watch, and something that I haven't seen in my city until relatively recently. I've noticed a decline in quality / heightened competition in recent years, and this is just seems like another manifestation of that.
Of course it's technically possible that they all gang-banged her, in which I take back everything I just said about this particular group- but I feel like it's getting more common to see multiple guys hovering around the same girl.