[the-dream]

(06-29-2018 02:04 PM)kuqezi Wrote:  

Completely off topic but, what happened to Hank?

A group of posters started unrelentlessly attacking him for no reason and derailing a totally unrelated thread as they so often do, accusing him of being a fake, and pressuring him into revealing lots of personal details to prove that he's real, which he did. Someone used those details to find his identity, his girlfriend's identity, and messaged her a load of screenshots of his posts on here.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I wonder how many former members have stopped posting - basically keeping a skeleton profile at best - just because of fear of doxxing. That is why I more or less deleted my Twitter and will one day likely do the same with the RVF forum (while archives are still retaining part of the data).

This is indeed disgusting what has happened to Hank. Linux also has stories to tell regarding his bang-with-pics thread. You gotta remember that this is a public forum after all.

[torridon747]

For a lawyer hank disclosed way too much personal info. His opsec was bad. Still, nobody should have done that. I think he forgot that the game forum doesn't even require a membership to view, and lost sight of his optics. I never really appreciated his rehashed breakdown of core game concepts but I know a lot of newer people found them very useful. And he managed to stimulate game discussion, which is definitely a good thing. Hope he continues posting.

I jusy pray we don't lose WIA.

[Sp5]

(06-28-2018 09:04 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

IKE was trolling in the Trump thread. He would come in and post a troll post, disappear only to return later and repeat. It was a routine with the dude.

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't cry about politics being posted in other threads and then come into a thread like Trump and troll post.

That is why he was banned from that thread and obviously got upset.

I think some guys just don't like politics being discussed at all. Even if it is in the appropriate section.

OK, one more comment because I was able to get on a laptop and look up the history in the Forum search.

Again, I'm not against political discussion. But if there is political discussion all views should be allowed.

Posting negative news and opinions about Donald Trump in the Donald Trump Thread should not be banned as "trolling." It's not the Trump Adoration Thread.

I went through what IKE posted in the Trump thread. He doesn't like Trump, but he cited to news sources and didn't attack members personally.

The last posts IKE made were about the Russia thing. You know, the thing that is now being investigated by Mueller. Since IKE last posted, the investigation has resulted in multiple indictments leading to someplace neither you nor I know yet. Reading the indictments and the revealed facts so far, it's possible there was help for the Trump campaign for the Russians via Manafort, Roger Stone, Assange, etc., and the GRU. Not to mention garden-variety corruption (Cohen). We will see. Mueller will provide the facts, as federal prosecutors do, or he won't.

Here's the post, it was more than a year ago, March 2017: thread-48360...pid1535225

Now in response to IKE talking about Trump/Russia, you get this:

(03-24-2017 12:45 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

I'm the last guy to try and tell Roosh how to run his forum. But how has iknowexactly not been banned yet?

Consider this: when we're posting here, we are free content providers for RooshV, Inc. The content attracts views, which bolsters revenue in a variety of ways.

Internet marketing improves if you are able to provide unique and interesting content to distinguish yourself from other websites/applications. There's a spectrum from "ho-hum, shit I can read in 1000 other places" to "wow, this is great, can't find this info anywhere else." You want to attract a target audience, and not drive members of the target audience away.

Applying this spectrum to RVF, political ranting over the same old shit and racial circle jerks are of low or negative (drive readers away) value, while unique first-person reports and expert advice in the Travel, Game, and Life fora are high value. That's gold that isn't found in too many other places.

Now as I said, IKE posted a lot about his travels, gaming and logistics in the Philippines, Ukraine, other places. He knew about the legal system, psychology, obviously had a lot of life experience.

What about wi30, the guy who wanted him banned? Has be ever posted a datasheet, some expert information? Look for yourself.

As an aside, these self-appointed "troll police" are a plague on the forum. Posting proven false stories like NTP is one thing, but "brigading" to ban members like Travel Museums (who wrote very well and was accurate from what I read) doesn't help the forum.

So what happened when a member providing low-quality content called for a member providing high-quality content to be banned?

(03-24-2017 11:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:31 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 03:52 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If Wall Street Journal announced that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe them?

Nawwww. Just lugenpresse to the general public now. More people believe, say, Alex Jones, or what you say on this forum, right?

I have forbid iknowexactly from ever posting in the Politics subforum again. If he does, click report and he will be permanently banned.

IKE's thoughts after this maybe were something like:

If I'm not treated with the respect to allow my dissenting views to be expressed in the Politics forum, why should I provide the gold of content in the Travel and Game forums for free?

[YoungBlade]

>Travel Museums
> Quality Content

Pick one

[worldwidetraveler]

Sp5, I don't necessarily disagree with your post.

I do think it wasn't so much IKE posting different opinions, but in the way he posted them. They were dripping in snark and sarcasm. For me, you could tell he wasn't there to debate.

(03-23-2017 10:31 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 03:52 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If Wall Street Journal announced that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe them?

Nawwww. Just lugenpresse to the general public now. More people believe, say, Alex Jones, or what you say on this forum, right?

(03-22-2017 02:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Damn WSJ and mainstream media.

Don't they understand the Trumpening transcends their petty concerns?

From WSJ I think.

“If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world?” the editorial begins. “We’re not sure, which speaks to the damage that Mr. Trump is doing to his Presidency with his seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods.”

They obviously don't know how to appreciate an alpha shitlord. Fools. It's just a prelude to when he starts winning, winning, winning.

I could probably find a lot more posts such as those.

I can't imagine Roosh would ban someone from a forum if they were legitimately trying to offer a different point of view in order to debate.

[Sp5]

(06-30-2018 10:02 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Sp5, I don't necessarily disagree with your post.

I do think it wasn't so much IKE posting different opinions, but in the way he posted them. They were dripping in snark and sarcasm. For me, you could tell he wasn't there to debate.

(03-23-2017 10:31 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 03:52 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If Wall Street Journal announced that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe them?

Nawwww. Just lugenpresse to the general public now. More people believe, say, Alex Jones, or what you say on this forum, right?

(03-22-2017 02:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Damn WSJ and mainstream media.

Don't they understand the Trumpening transcends their petty concerns?

From WSJ I think.

“If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world?” the editorial begins. “We’re not sure, which speaks to the damage that Mr. Trump is doing to his Presidency with his seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods.”

They obviously don't know how to appreciate an alpha shitlord. Fools. It's just a prelude to when he starts winning, winning, winning.

I could probably find a lot more posts such as those.

I can't imagine Roosh would ban someone from a forum if they were legitimately trying to offer a different point of view in order to debate.

Sarcasm is just a rhetorical device. It's effective or not based on the factual premise. I can't find any forum rule against it.

There's also two kinds of sarcasm or snark:

1. directed against individual members as an ad-hominem, example: "Like you're such a baller living in a 4000 baht apartment"

I can see how that is objectionable.

2. Directed against opinions and containing some mockery, maybe some factual support, maybe not, example:

(06-30-2018 09:52 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

>Travel Museums
> Quality Content
Pick one

To me, that's ok. It's just another opinion. IKE said some sarcastic things, with references to the Wall Street Journal for support and sarcastically contrasting it with Alex Jones. Nothing personal.

There's a lot of sarcasm on the forum. If it's not personal, so what? You can say all kinds of things on the forum that would get you banned elsewhere, but a little mild sarcasm if off-limits?

It's not about sarcasm, it's about what politics the sarcasm is directed at. Imagine if IKE had written this:

Quote:

Damn NYT and mainstream media.

Don't they understand The Resistance transcends their petty concerns?

From NYT I think.

"Trump and Kim Have Just Walked Us Back From the Brink of War

Despite the many warts in President Trump’s unconventional diplomacy toward North Korea, we have to give him credit. Only five months ago, based on my conversations with this administration, I thought we were headed down an inexorable path toward a devastating war."

They obviously don't know that getting rid of Trump and full transgender rights transcend their issues like preventing nuclear war with North Korea. Fools. It's just a prelude to when he starts making peace with Russia and China.

Can anyone seriously say that writing the above sarcastic snarky comment would be grounds for censoring or banning?

When you look at it this way, it's pretty clear it wasn't the way IKE said it, it was what he said. In First Amendment law, it's called content or viewpoint discrimination.

Of course Roosh can ban any viewpoint he wants to, but he should come out and give clear content-based rules ("no criticism of Trump allowed"), not let one type of political poster rant and come down on the other side hard on any excuse.

Quote from the NYT is real: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/opini...ummit.html

[Dusty]

(06-30-2018 09:24 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The last posts IKE made were about the Russia thing. You know, the thing that is now being investigated by Mueller. Since IKE last posted, the investigation has resulted in multiple indictments leading to someplace neither you nor I know yet. Reading the indictments and the revealed facts so far, it's possible there was help for the Trump campaign for the Russians via Manafort, Roger Stone, Assange, etc., and the GRU. Not to mention garden-variety corruption (Cohen). We will see. Mueller will provide the facts, as federal prosecutors do, or he won't.

[Roosh]

Quote:

If I'm not treated with the respect to allow my dissenting views to be expressed in the Politics forum, why should I provide the gold of content in the Travel and Game forums for free?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-30-2018 02:44 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:24 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The last posts IKE made were about the Russia thing. You know, the thing that is now being investigated by Mueller. Since IKE last posted, the investigation has resulted in multiple indictments leading to someplace neither you nor I know yet. Reading the indictments and the revealed facts so far, it's possible there was help for the Trump campaign for the Russians via Manafort, Roger Stone, Assange, etc., and the GRU. Not to mention garden-variety corruption (Cohen). We will see. Mueller will provide the facts, as federal prosecutors do, or he won't.

I agree - that is a hilarious statement - could be made on CNN, but I guess some older guys are not able to make that mental transition.

AT the farthest assumption you could assume that Trump is a breather given to the population who has rebelled against both the cuckservatives and the far-left propaganda and radical leftists like Obama and Hillary. But to believe that you would need Russia or Roger Stone for that is hilarious.

At the worst assumption Trump could be a clever ploy of the Neocons who intend to march into Iran in the next term, but meanwhile they are giving the American people and the Western world an economic breather - plus a masculine sane man as a leader.

I hope Trump wins the next election and proves the theory wrong - that he is not a part of the Neocon machine.

Currently I expect him to win in the next election and the economic good times with a shitlord in the helm to continue.

[cascadecombo]

(06-30-2018 03:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< I wonder how many former members have stopped posting - basically keeping a skeleton profile at best - just because of fear of doxxing. That is why I more or less deleted my Twitter and will one day likely do the same with the RVF forum (while archives are still retaining part of the data).

This is indeed disgusting what has happened to Hank. Linux also has stories to tell regarding his bang-with-pics thread. You gotta remember that this is a public forum after all.

It's also necessary to mention, don't trust newbies with full info or anything that could come back on you. People are jealous idiots and will dick you over on a whim. Another reason why we vet eachother pretty hard here and are wary of those who don't meet others.

As you said, Linux himself had to learn that lesson the hard way. A very unfortunate occurrence that I hope no others have to experience themselves.

[polar]

(06-30-2018 03:40 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 02:04 PM)kuqezi Wrote:  

Completely off topic but, what happened to Hank?

A group of posters started unrelentlessly attacking him for no reason and derailing a totally unrelated thread as they so often do, accusing him of being a fake, and pressuring him into revealing lots of personal details to prove that he's real, which he did. Someone used those details to find his identity, his girlfriend's identity, and messaged her a load of screenshots of his posts on here.

This wasn't the first time that someone's claims, for better or worse, were challenged in the history of the forum. Forum MO is to share info to be vetted with a trusted member behind the scenes, not to post it publicly. Hank posted information in the open even well before the incident. He later mentioned that he didn't care due to his personal circumstances.

This sums it up from the senior member POV:

(06-29-2018 12:53 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The one thing I will address is the suggestion that we got Hank doxxed. That is blatantly incorrect and despite all the posturing by some of Hank's supporters it was "our group" who took action to try to protect Hank's identity.

Whoever doxxed Hank is still a fag.

For the rest of us, credibility and OPSec don't have to be mutually exclusive.

[asdfk]

I have written 10+ datasheets that I never posted out of fear of eventual doxxing. My offline reputation is more important then my online one.

It’s a shame, I’d love to provide value in return for everything this forum taught me .

- Providing real-world info
- protecting your identity

Pick one.

The idiots calling out anyone who post something out of the ordinary don’t help either. But it’s redundant to complain about the keyboard jockey hater squad when so many have made this point already.

But if someone can explain why someone would feel the need to post things like “blah blah unrealistic blah blah”, I’m all ears.

[Muh_freedom]

(06-30-2018 02:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

If I'm not treated with the respect to allow my dissenting views to be expressed in the Politics forum, why should I provide the gold of content in the Travel and Game forums for free?

Well just this says it all. I’d be surprised if any high value member writes again in the travel forum, if their contributions are treated with such disdain by the person who is profiting from them.

The conspiracy theories, the jewposting, the satanism – it all comes from Roosh himself. He has long since thrown his chips in with the political autists and losers. He has cultivated a sperg community and driven away posters like Vinny and Tuthmosis. Why is anyone's guess.

Roosh, the jig is up on politics. Your next book is about game, and the alt right thinks you are a muslim refugee. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Roosh is a Satanist?

Conspiracy theories = anything CNN does not approve of.

And the Alt-Right sperging out on Roosh is their loss. Ultimately it served him anyway since they went off into even more retarded territory with their night marches and being easily branded as Nazi-killers after Charlottesville.

I guess I am a political autist here - heh. Yup - let us all be concerned with girls and fun - just be occasionally blind-sided when you are knifed down in London or get your phone snatched away and acid thrown in the face - because you were busy swiping Tinder and being oh-so-positive.

[Going strong]

(07-06-2018 04:46 AM)Muh_freedom Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 02:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

If I'm not treated with the respect to allow my dissenting views to be expressed in the Politics forum, why should I provide the gold of content in the Travel and Game forums for free?

Well just this says it all. I’d be surprised if any high value member writes again in the travel forum, if their contributions are treated with such disdain by the person who is profiting from them.

The conspiracy theories, the jewposting, the satanism – it all comes from Roosh himself. He has long since thrown his chips in with the political autists and losers. He has cultivated a sperg community and driven away posters like Vinny and Tuthmosis. Why is anyone's guess.

Roosh, () the alt right thinks you are a muslim refugee. Stop embarrassing yourself.

It's related to what I was saying earlier on the thread! Our leftist opponents are using the same tactics as the Soviets, branding their opponents as "mentally sick". In Soviet times, if you were Conservatives (anti-commie), you were sluggishly-schizophrenic. Now, it's autistic, the new all-encompassing insult. I don't like you? You're sluggish autistic, go to the nearest (farthest actually) Gulag, thanks!

As an illustration of this (victimization by) slandering, look no further than yours truly : Because of this thread, a small posse of formerly-banned Leftists coordinated to write me Neutral refs, alluding to "muh spectrum, GS is autistic" - even though they have not met anybody IRL (except Batka-probably-Traktor, who meets people IRL, but does not hide his communism, and much respect after all for his honesty) .

By the way, Batka-suspected-Traktor is an interesting example, or counter-example I might say, within this thread. I mean, he is a self-avowed chavista , but nevertheless I have a feeling we would get along well IRL, as the dude is relentlessly chasing poosy in Minsk, of which I totally approve. So I guess, a temporary, localized alliance might be possible after all, between Leftists and Conservatives, in the common hunt for poosy?

Actually, if President Trump and the Chosun leader can (efficiently) work together on a specific issue, I guess I should humbly agree to pay Traktor a beer and introduce him to a cutie, next time I travel to the FSU.

- Quoting: Roosh, () the alt right thinks you are a muslim refugee

Well, I'm right-wing and don't think that. By the way, (European) right-wingers almost always have a very good image of people of Iranian and/or Armenian heritage (for different reasons, one linked to ethnicity -Arianism- and the other to the genocide at the hands of Turks and subsequent fight against Azeris).

[debeguiled]

(07-06-2018 04:46 AM)Muh_freedom Wrote:  

Well just this says it all. I’d be surprised if any high value member writes again in the travel forum, if their contributions are treated with such disdain by the person who is profiting from them.

The conspiracy theories, the jewposting, the satanism – it all comes from Roosh himself. He has long since thrown his chips in with the political autists and losers. He has cultivated a sperg community and driven away posters like Vinny and Tuthmosis. Why is anyone's guess.

Roosh, the jig is up on politics. Your next book is about game, and the alt right thinks you are a muslim refugee. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This was a breath of fresh hate.