[kavakid]

(09-05-2014 07:45 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

There two kinds of girls in Miami: tourist and locals. The tourist are rarely by themselves, usually with one or two friends. You really have to build a strong connection to get her to leave her friends. It's much easier to get her to go out in a group but then you need wing men and have to deal with the complications of that. Once a girl has been living here for more than a year, she becomes just like the girls here, in one word: nutty/neurotic. Then you are dealing with them and their craziness.

I primarily day game and for me it's easy. I just do it wherever I happen to be. My biggest problem is that I usually approach high value girls 7.5+. These girls are far more likely to be married or in LTR than girls in the 5 - 7 range. When I go down the range I face the problem of the girls not believing that I am really interested in them. Also, since a lot of the girls here are Latin, they are not really into my look so that's another strike against me. I was recently in Portland. If I was living there I would have a nice harem going in one month flat!

What do you think makes Miami girls neurotic? What causes it?

And are you latin looking? What is your look?

[Nomad77]

I am not sure what makes women more neurotic down here. I just know compared to women outside of South Florida that they are.

I am Asian looking and Latin girls are not into Asian looking guys. Most of the girls I am with down here are white American or European
and they are only about 10% of the population. So my target market is extremely limited.

[robreke]

(09-04-2014 03:09 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Great post - Krauser has spelled it out for us yet again.

Day game is HARD and I'm not suprised that most guys don't get involved. The reality is that most guys in the west either aren't getting laid at all or jus settle for whatever comes along once or twice a year (if that).

Just reading this day game thread and based on my results and what I'm reading here, I wonder how in hades, guys like Paul Janka and others talk about the "11% rule" . That is, Janka and his friends supposedly banged 1 in 9 ( 11%) of the numbers they got. And they were doing strictly daygame.
How could he pull that off? I know his game is better than mine....but it couldn't be THAT much better nor that much better than the other players on this forum who also bemoan the frustrations of daygame. Anyone else come up with some "universal constant" for daygame? ....a bang for so many numbers collected?

I'm guessing in big cities with more transients, the bang to numbers collected ratio is better than in more conservative areas of the country.

[Dantes]

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:09 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Great post - Krauser has spelled it out for us yet again.

Day game is HARD and I'm not suprised that most guys don't get involved. The reality is that most guys in the west either aren't getting laid at all or jus settle for whatever comes along once or twice a year (if that).

Just reading this day game thread and based on my results and what I'm reading here, I wonder how in hades, guys like Paul Janka and others talk about the "11% rule" . That is, Janka and his friends supposedly banged 1 in 9 ( 11%) of the numbers they got. And they were doing strictly daygame.
How could he pull that off? I know his game is better than mine....but it couldn't be THAT much better nor that much better than the other players on this forum who also bemoan the frustrations of daygame. Anyone else come up with some "universal constant" for daygame? ....a bang for so many numbers collected?

I'm guessing in big cities with more transients, the bang to numbers collected ratio is better than in more conservative areas of the country.

To pull that off, your entire Game needs to be very strong. It is one thing to develop good Daygame that leads to getting a numbers. This is just the beginning. You have not even gotten an at-bat yet. Going from first date to bang is a different animal and requires a different skill set.

It is a hard way to make a living if you are in it for notches. Most guys even with good Game will come up way short of 11%. You will see how difficult this percentage is once you are in Daygame and you become skilled in getting numbers.

[Sensei Creation]

(05-13-2014 10:13 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Tellingly, in all my daygame approaches that have gone well, I've failed to number-close due to cold feet on my part -- one might more critically call it betaness.

Listen , i'm a beginner just like you . On my 4th approach , i opened this girl while daygaming , asked her if she knew any clothing stores . It was going well . I saw her look at me and lick her lips , ( I'm an average looking guy , I'm like a male 6 . ) Anyway , I ran out of things to say and I thought that switching to GAlNUC woudn't work as she hadn't asked me a personal question yet . So I thanked her and walked away .

As soon as I ended the approach , she had a disappointed look on her face for a split second . I knew I had made a mistake and was mentally kicking myself . I swore that next time I approached I would switch to GALNUC as soon as I ran out of ramble . Even if she hasn't asked a personal question . It took me two days to get mentally prepared to approach again .

On my 5th approach I got ignored completely . I kept at it .

On my 6th approach , I ran out of things to say , instantly switched to GALNUC and I got my first number .

I'm saying all this to say , even if the conversation isn't going well , push yourself to at least run GALNUC . Your game doesn't have to be perfect and flawless for you to number close . In fact , my game is probably better than 50% of the dudes that ever approached her , and I only took the red pill a month ago .

Understand that the knowledge you have acquired has already put you above a large quantity of men , even if it's unharnessed right now .

Sensei

[coverdoc]

Haven't been on in a few days and this thread is exactly what I needed to see right now. I often wondered about day game and the inhibitions I had. After reading so many replies i realize now the biggest cockblock to my game is myself.

[456]

Once a good connection is made, I'm not stressed about whether I'll go for the number, give her my card, attempt an instadate, or go on my way sans-contact. For me the main variables are my state, and the time/place.

My daygame is really just outside game: whether day or night, if I'm on the sidewalks / subways / stations / corners / plazas, I'm down to talk to girls.

For selection, the more neutral my state, the more I rely on eye contact game or, more passively, an approach invite. The better my state, the more I'll speak right up without securing interest from her first.

My range of typical openers: a simple "hi/hey/hello", a "how's your day/night so far?", a subtle/insightful compliment, or a direct compliment plus look-her-down-and-up vibe, depending on state and time/place.

I'm noticing more and more Moments: mini-situations involving a girl, which may or may not involve you, but to which you are privy. These Moments often leave you poised to open where she's already been shook from her world, rendering your own state less important.

"Isn't this a situational opener though?" Sort of... a situation opener is when you remark on the current situation as an opener. You could both be on an elevator, at an event, etc. "Situation" is basically the scenery.

The Moment ties it to the girl: she just missed the train, or better-yet, stepped off the soon-to-depart train just after stepping on, because she realized it was the wrong train. Or maybe you're both on the same subway car or corner and a nearby street performance is unusually awkward. But that might affect everyone nearby. The more it applies just to her, the better.

I'm still refining this idea, but essentially these Moments happen a lot and seem to make it much easier to open regardless of state, and with a higher-state style opener.

[Giovonny]

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Janka and his friends supposedly banged 1 in 9 ( 11%) of the numbers they got.

How could he pull that off?

He could pull that off because he practiced for years and he is good looking.

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I know his game is better than mine....but it couldn't be THAT much better

I respectfully disagree.

His game could absolutely be 100%, 200%, 300% or even 1000% better than yours or any other beginner.

It's like a professional athlete versus a high school athlete.

Or, a world class musician versus a guy who just started playing music.

This is a refined skill that takes years to develop.

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Anyone else come up with some "universal constant" for daygame? ....a bang for so many numbers collected?

I don't have any "universal constants" but I can share my results..

In my first 100 approaches, I banged 1 girl. (1%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 3 girls. (1.5%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 4 girls. (2%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 5 girls. (2.5%)

In my next 100 approaches, I banged 3 girls. (3%)

In my next 100 approaches, I banged 4 girls. (4%)

I kept going for a few years.

Currently, I am banging around 5-9% of the girls I approach. Not as good as Janka or the other daygame professionals but I have made slow and steady progress over the past few years.

Getting bangs is not only about your approach game. Getting bangs is also about:

-choosing targets (which girls to approach)
-text/phone game
-conversational skills/flirting
-date game
-logistics
-closing game/"killer instinct"

Approaching is just one step in the process.

The more physically attractive your are, the easier it will be.

My #1 tip is to work on your looks. (body, face, hair, skin, teeth, fashion, shoes, diet, sleep, grooming, etc.)

[Distant Light]

(11-29-2014 10:01 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:09 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Great post - Krauser has spelled it out for us yet again.

Day game is HARD and I'm not suprised that most guys don't get involved. The reality is that most guys in the west either aren't getting laid at all or jus settle for whatever comes along once or twice a year (if that).

Just reading this day game thread and based on my results and what I'm reading here, I wonder how in hades, guys like Paul Janka and others talk about the "11% rule" . That is, Janka and his friends supposedly banged 1 in 9 ( 11%) of the numbers they got. And they were doing strictly daygame.
How could he pull that off? I know his game is better than mine....but it couldn't be THAT much better nor that much better than the other players on this forum who also bemoan the frustrations of daygame. Anyone else come up with some "universal constant" for daygame? ....a bang for so many numbers collected?

I'm guessing in big cities with more transients, the bang to numbers collected ratio is better than in more conservative areas of the country.

To pull that off, your entire Game needs to be very strong. It is one thing to develop good Daygame that leads to getting a numbers. This is just the beginning. You have not even gotten an at-bat yet. Going from first date to bang is a different animal and requires a different skill set.

It is a hard way to make a living if you are in it for notches. Most guys even with good Game will come up way short of 11%. You will see how difficult this percentage is once you are in Daygame and you become skilled in getting numbers.

In my honest opinion...

We traditionally make daygame harder than it is...

Although take this with a grain of salt because I now believe DAYGAME to be a waste of time and unprofitable. The only PERK is the fact that you can meet women anywhere at anytime so it's PERFECT for supplementing your lifestyle ONLY.

I can go to a club 1x a week to a specific venue and meet tons of gorgeous women in the span of 2-3 hours...

However, I think the low conversion stems from the way most guys do daygame because I view daygame as "adding random people into my life" and so my daygame is FAST and highly profitable...

Most of my interactions in the daytime are almost always pretty solid because they way I interact "I'm not really interested". She's a random chick and competing against all the hotties I meet in nightlife, so I'm literally just inviting them into my life to see if they peak my interest.

Keep in mind, daygame I focus on QUALITY QUALITY QUALITY there is no reason for me to be chatting cuties when I meet hotties in nighttime all the time. For instance, fashion week is AWESOME as I meet alot of models during that week in the daytime. Another example...



Met this chick 30secs to a minute on the street, she had a cool style (and was 6ft) ended up exchanging numbers. FAST FORWARD, I still keep in touch with her.

That said, usually all the chicks I meet in non-nightlife settings (especially house parties) I tend to easily meet and see in the future. (assuming I'm open to it)

Traditional DAYGAME is too much pressure/serious and HIGHLY INCONGRUENT...
- Why would you invest so much time on a random girl? (Insta-dates) Do you not have a social life, friends and women who are far more important in your world?
- Why are you trying to go on a DATE, it's so predictable...The chick knows if she were to say "why go on a date, lets fuck now" 99% of the time the guy will say YES (He was DTF before she even did anything)
- No one is retarded, where is a DATE potentially going to lead?

The way I do things now there is no pressure and there is lots of uncertainty so things come off much more relaxed. I already know 100% if a chick is in my presence she is going to most likely love me, that's a given.

P.S...I don't think my "game" is really that awesome BUT my mindset and why I do things is so on point that chicks know there is no BS schemes or "gaminess" in how I am.

P.S.S...I used to do tons of traditional daygaming years ago, would never go back to it BUT if I was actively traveling as soon as I touch down I'd be recruiting for girls to hangout with and show me the "real" spots of the city. (This is just based on how people come to NY and literally know nothing about the nightlife and food scenes of NY)

[robreke]

(11-29-2014 01:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Janka and his friends supposedly banged 1 in 9 ( 11%) of the numbers they got.

How could he pull that off?

He could pull that off because he practiced for years and he is good looking.

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I know his game is better than mine....but it couldn't be THAT much better

I respectfully disagree.

His game could absolutely be 100%, 200%, 300% or even 1000% better than yours or any other beginner.

It's like a professional athlete versus a high school athlete.

Or, a world class musician versus a guy who just started playing music.

This is a refined skill that takes years to develop.

(11-29-2014 09:49 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Anyone else come up with some "universal constant" for daygame? ....a bang for so many numbers collected?

I don't have any "universal constants" but I can share my results..

In my first 100 approaches, I banged 1 girl. (1%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 3 girls. (1.5%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 4 girls. (2%)

In my next 200 approaches, I banged 5 girls. (2.5%)

In my next 100 approaches, I banged 3 girls. (3%)

In my next 100 approaches, I banged 4 girls. (4%)

I kept going for a few years.

Currently, I am banging around 5-9% of the girls I approach. Not as good as Janka or the other daygame professionals but I have made slow and steady progress over the past few years.

Getting bangs is not only about your approach game. Getting bangs is also about:

-choosing targets (which girls to approach)
-text/phone game
-conversational skills/flirting
-date game
-logistics
-closing game/"killer instinct"

Approaching is just one step in the process.

The more physically attractive your are, the easier it will be.

My #1 tip is to work on your looks. (body, face, hair, skin, teeth, fashion, shoes, diet, sleep, grooming, etc.)

It's good advice Gio. It is something I have been working on starting a few months ago.

I've always been tall....6'3. So that helps. However, I've been a bit too thin and started gaining weight recently through working out and eating more. I also just bought a few new fitted suits and clothes. Altered my hairstyle a bit too.

In analyzing my last few dozen numbers with meager date results....and no bangs....I'm thinking a few things;

I don't make enough of a connection. Sometimes, I've been less than a minute in and when the conversation lacks...I'll say "wanna grab a coffee sometime?" Often the girl has said....yes. I get the number. I even had a few say "just let me know" Again, ironically, I think this willingness to give me their number in some cases has been I'm a pretty decent looking tall guy.....though I don't have that chiseled jaw janka look. I'm probably above average. Then, I think the girl gets a chance to think about I really didn't establish any connection, and just sends polite texts back or just doesn't text back at all.

I need to do :

* more and stronger eye contact in interactions.
* some teasing and touching.
* some smiling and engaging.
* go for instadates or setting the date for drinks right there....later that night or the next night.

Basically....just stay in set longer and give them an idea of what kind of personality I have and what kind of person I am. A lot of my approaches have been too "in and out"

In addition to Janka's game being better than most, mind included, he does live in NYC....which I think adds to the dynamic of getting laid easier.

That line about the killer instinct you said is spot on. That needs to be present in every dimension of the approach and seduction. Killer instinct in escalating the initial approach and not bailing too early all the way to once you get her on a date, doing the right things and not being shy about it.

[bojangles]

Janka's numbers are congruent with mine, that's all I can say.

[Giovonny]

(11-30-2014 10:39 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I don't make enough of a connection.

Yes!

Great self diagnosis!

You are not making much of a connection with these girls. They are not giving you their number because they are genuinely interested in talking to you again. They are giving you their number just to be polite and/or just to boost their own ego.

(11-30-2014 10:39 AM)robreke Wrote:  

* more and stronger eye contact in interactions.
* some teasing and touching.
* some smiling and engaging.
* go for instadates or setting the date for drinks right there....later that night or the next night.

Basically....just stay in set longer and give them an idea of what kind of personality I have and what kind of person I am.

Yup!

You are on the right track!

(11-30-2014 10:39 AM)robreke Wrote:  

In analyzing my last few dozen numbers with meager date results....and no bangs

Honestly, in my opinion..

A "few dozen" is not enough data to form any conclusions.

Do a few hundred and you will have enough feedback/data to make positive change.

Keep working!

*****

(11-29-2014 09:22 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Traditional DAYGAME is too much pressure/serious and HIGHLY INCONGRUENT...

I agree that daygame is often too serious.

Guys put too much pressure on themselves and they also put too much pressure on the girl.

Game should be fun.

As far as Congruency, I agree that most guys are somewhat incongruent when they do daygame.

But, guys that are good at daygame can make it seem and "feel" perfectly natural, normal and congruent.

I have crafted my day game to be totally congruent with my personality and the rest of my life.

If one is "incongruent", his game is still developing.

Some of us HAVE reached congruency with our day game.

(11-29-2014 09:22 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

I can go to a club 1x a week to a specific venue and meet tons of gorgeous women in the span of 2-3 hours...

I do the same during the day. I can go to a major university and be surrounded by hundreds if not thousands of pretty girls. In 2-3 hours, I can talk to a lot of them.

---

Also, I want to say that I really admire the mindset and lifestyle of Distant Light. I enjoy his posts and have learned from them. I agree with 99% of what he writes. I just wanted to offer a different perspective on these two specific points.

[worldtraveler3]

Direct daygame is quite serious business. I would think indirect daygame is slightly more fun and relaxing.

[bojangles]

I'll just drop this in here

[kavakid]

@ Distantlight:

I think game by itself, whether day or not, is respected by women. It's an evolutionary skill to be adaptable to approaching people in any situation. Would a woman ideally like to see you as the leader of a group, or high value? Yes. But That doesn't mean she can't recognize value in your solo approaches, as a confident man good at befriending new people and groups.

I think a lot depends on the town. Where I live now there are a lot of college girls that probably don't go out much at night. During the day however downtown is absolutely bustling with women at numerous coffee shops, parks, etc. So a lot depends on the location and time of year of where you live.

[Distant Light]

(12-02-2014 09:45 AM)kavakid Wrote:  

@ Distantlight:

I think game by itself, whether day or not, is respected by women. It's an evolutionary skill to be adaptable to approaching people in any situation. Would a woman ideally like to see you as the leader of a group, or high value? Yes. But That doesn't mean she can't recognize value in your solo approaches, as a confident man good at befriending new people and groups.

I think a lot depends on the town. Where I live now there are a lot of college girls that probably don't go out much at night. During the day however downtown is absolutely bustling with women at numerous coffee shops, parks, etc. So a lot depends on the location and time of year of where you live.

I agree...

The 1 thing about daygame that is awesome is the internal shift it can create...

That said, based on what your talking about (which I understand) I noticed in the last 2 years people could kind of TELL from my vibe that I drastically changed and come off rather intriguing due to all the experiences I had...

I started experimenting telling chicks along the theme of...
- Hey, I'm trying to be very calm
- Hey, last few months have been rough lost my phone no ID (true story)
- You don't want to mess with a guy like me...I'm legit crazy


And chicks were still seeking rapport because it's like they can sense the fun adventures that could be had with me.

P.S...It was sort of a "unique" rite of passage that for some reason chicks can sense. It would be too long to get into but lets just say the level of abundance made me cut down drastically on cold approaching and what was going on in my life I couldn't actually handle it.

[Ice]

[quote] (11-29-2014 09:22 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

[quote='Dantes' pid='892454' dateline='1417273300']
[quote='robreke' pid='892446' dateline='1417272569']
[quote='Akula' pid='822500' dateline='1409818150']


Traditional DAYGAME is too much pressure/serious and HIGHLY INCONGRUENT...
- Why would you invest so much time on a random girl? (Insta-dates) Do you not have a social life, friends and women who are far more important in your world?
- Why are you trying to go on a DATE, it's so predictable...The chick knows if she were to say "why go on a date, lets fuck now" 99% of the time the guy will say YES (He was DTF before she even did anything)
- No one is retarded, where is a DATE potentially going to lead?

The way I do things now there is no pressure and there is lots of uncertainty so things come off much more relaxed. I already know 100% if a chick is in my presence she is going to most likely love me, that's a given.[/quote]

Yeah that is definitely true. I thought about that too - going on instadates is indeed incongruous, at least for me, because when I'm outside I have a place to go and people to meet etc.

I don't really understand what do you mean by the following tho:

[quote] (11-29-2014 09:22 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

- Why are you trying to go on a DATE, it's so predictable...
- No one is retarded, where is a DATE potentially going to lead?[/quote]

Are you still talking about instadates here? Because if you get her number you will have to meet her at some point obviously, so it will be some form of "date" in the end.

And yeah sure, a date is predictable, but if you speak to a girl on the street and get her number it's quite predictable too. You can play it cool and have the mindset of "well, I'll see if you're really my type .." etc. qualifying her, but let's put it that way, a general "romantic interest" is a given if you approach a girl on the street. Which is totally fine, because why not be upfront about your interest in her a la Steve Jabba etc. But I agree, it shouldn't be too serious, just lighthearted and fun

[Distant Light]

(12-02-2014 09:04 PM)Ice Wrote:  

[quote] (11-29-2014 09:22 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

[quote='robreke' pid='892446' dateline='1417272569']
[quote='Akula' pid='822500' dateline='1409818150']


Traditional DAYGAME is too much pressure/serious and HIGHLY INCONGRUENT...
- Why would you invest so much time on a random girl? (Insta-dates) Do you not have a social life, friends and women who are far more important in your world?
- Why are you trying to go on a DATE, it's so predictable...The chick knows if she were to say "why go on a date, lets fuck now" 99% of the time the guy will say YES (He was DTF before she even did anything)
- No one is retarded, where is a DATE potentially going to lead?

The way I do things now there is no pressure and there is lots of uncertainty so things come off much more relaxed. I already know 100% if a chick is in my presence she is going to most likely love me, that's a given.


Yeah that is definitely true. I thought about that too - going on instadates is indeed incongruous, at least for me, because when I'm outside I have a place to go and people to meet etc.

I don't really understand what do you mean by the following tho:

[quote='Distant Light' pid='892872' dateline='1417314173']
- Why are you trying to go on a DATE, it's so predictable...
- No one is retarded, where is a DATE potentially going to lead?

Are you still talking about instadates here? Because if you get her number you will have to meet her at some point obviously, so it will be some form of "date" in the end.

And yeah sure, a date is predictable, but if you speak to a girl on the street and get her number it's quite predictable too. You can play it cool and have the mindset of "well, I'll see if you're really my type .." etc. qualifying her, but let's put it that way, a general "romantic interest" is a given if you approach a girl on the street. Which is totally fine, because why not be upfront about your interest in her a la Steve Jabba etc. But I agree, it shouldn't be too serious, just lighthearted and fun

(Yep, wasn't speaking about instadates at part quoted)

Hey, glad you asked this as I tend to rarely talk about this stuff... (As I always feel like I'm just spreading my own views/propaganda, usually I'd only say it face to face)

BUT...

Man meets RANDOM woman, they interact whether direct, indirect, routines, natural blahblahblah...

What if the chick said "hmmm, do you just wanna come over have a drink?" *wink* MOST MEN will be like HELL YEA!!!! Because, heck that's why you approached anyway right...

What if...




5 cool ass chicks are in your phone waiting/hoping to hookup (maybe you even fooled around with a few), they're texting and/or wanting to see/hang/be with you. Would you still be saying "yep, let me go fuck this random right now!!!"

You'd be skeptical...

This is why so many people bang a chick and all of a sudden slow down on approaching and at times stop altogether because "they have access to sex". So many people post along the lines of "Just got out of a relationship, back in the game, I'm rusty".

That IMO is a "reactive" sex life, starting fresh as soon as the break of their relationship occurs or their rotation ends

Anyway, DATES it's predictable because you can literally call in a helicopter sportscenter "ladies and gentlemen it's about to go down!!!"...

Everyone knows what a "date" is, what is the probable outcome of a date...
- Hookup
- Don't hookup, never see each other again
- Don't hookup, go on date 2, 3, 4, and goes on as long as the man can tolerate it (This also must factor in how much HOPE there is in the possibility of getting laid)

The whole process is a "waiting" game where essentially the man is waiting for the RANDOM woman to say "yes, you can fuck me".

The sportscenter analogy occurs due to how the community traditionally does pickup, it's BAM you're here most guys intentions is to get the number in HOPES of "getting together". Chicks aren't dumb she knows where this is going.

So it's a "date", she is with a random guy having coffee...

If the guy is experienced he is comfortable and might change her state BUT she's going with this "date" social mask. The whole process is serious, uptight, formal.

Sportscenter commentators could say, "#WillItGoDown tell us what you think"

This IMO kills the vibe and is very inauthentic for both parties...

Meanwhile chicks are texting me... (2 different chicks)



The way I view cold approach now is a TOOL to funnel people into my life and see what their about...

So for instance, this saturday my boys are watching ufc fight and I'm going to be catching up with an old friend at brunch. TECHNICALLY, I can invite...



^^^ Chick I met about a month ago, invited out and FLAKED on (simply forgot I invited her and another girl) Along with a fashion designer chick I met at an art event.

Todays thursday, say I did daygame today and tomorrow every chick I meet I'd just invite out to saturday...Them coming along or not has no bearing on what I'm going to be doing, who ever shows up shows up.

In that environment, there is no "date", yea I liked her but there are many girls I like doesn't mean i'm going to bang them all. Chicks are attracted to YOU not some magical formula of techniques that chicks end up thinking "well, now i want to fuck". So their is no need to put so much pressure on the process, so longs she can interact face to face all those qualities we talk about will show itself. You're not asexual just because you're not saying "hey your cute I had to meet you...no I'm not taking your number to be friends!". (Yes, I know its an extreme case but looking around some guys think like this dogmatically and literally)

Time To Finish The Painting
Say, I royally suck at cold approach but bust my ass hitting up set after set daygaming thursday and friday. Do like 60 approaches only get 5 numbers. Only 2 come out and the 3 flake...

Now it's me and 4 girls, I can see/screen to actually see what these chicks are about in a non-dating setting where their is no social mask, it's not serious, no pressure. "where is this going?" who knows...
- Maybe 1 girl I really like but won't bang that night due to logistics so I 'lock-in" for us to fuck on wednesday
- Maybe 2 of the girls i find really dull and decide i'm not into so I keep them as friends because there great to go out with
- Then I find the girl I like most and we hookup that night

In 1 day...
- I get laid
- I setup a lay for wednesday
- I catch up with old friends
- I meet NEW girls because were in a social setting and I'm a social dude

When i talk like this, people ALWAYS say "Dude I don't live like you"

That is BS and a cop out because they're basically saying "I have no life and lack creativity". Do you not live? Do you not know how to cold approach aka "socialize" that's what were all learning/learnt.

IMO many of the community concepts comes from a scarcity based perspective when in reality the act of COLD APPROACHING means until the day you die you can always "meet more". Many of the processes is as if "this is the last girl will ever meet". The 1st question everyone asks when I say "with 4 girls" is...

"Won't they get mad?" Which I always say that's irrelevant because then that just screens them out for being insecure. Just because I like you doesn't mean I have any obligation just like if a guy approaches doesn't mean he's entitled to fuck. We all make our choices at the opportunities presented. I used to openly bring out many girls I fool around with, why "kill the vibe" by insisting on his being alone 1 on 1 in some coffee shop talking about our lives...SAVE THAT SHIT FOR PILLOW TALK INTERMISSION

Everyone is different, I have a friend who's banged over 100 chicks many "same night". That's not part of my value system. I prefer meeting a wide range of people for the sake of self-discovery and highly value being around people I enjoy. (meets my criteria) It is nothing better than hanging out or catching up with people who I have genuine love for. To me that's better than spending time with a random chick I might not even like. (2 months ago, I simply LEFT 2 girls actively trying to have a 3some with me in order to hang with 2 different girls I love having around me)

Perfect example, my 2nd fav girls are very edgy hipster types. I once met a redhead hipster in a club solo. We were going to hookup that night until she ran into some stoner-like dude who I really did not like his vibe, so I just kissed her goodbye and went home...Invite her out...

Me, 2 of my crazies and her...One of my crazies was being sooooo bitchy walking out the taxi giving me "I'm model hot" BS...I called her out on it, (boundaries) I get annoyed at the new girl BOUNCED without telling her...Next day my crazy was apologizing stating the new girl was very bitchy to both her and I but I was so unaware. Needless to say I had cut the new girl off. At the sametime, it didn't even matter because both of my crazies I fool around with.

Imagine if I went on a date with the redhead, an utter waste of time

KEEP IN MIND, this is very congruent to how I am. I am BIG on dropping the formalities and BS. I NEVER shake chicks hands, (greet with a kiss whether lips or cheek) I openly laugh at people trying to follow some form of "social process" especially when it comes to sexual experiences. If I'm in a 2set having fun and loving the chicks I'll makeout with both without care. (assuming both peak my interest so much) There is no "rule" that says I can't like both girls. If at anytime a chick can't handle what I'm about they can easily just walk off as I never forced them nor tried to encourage them to stick around in my life. As a result, the chicks are much more real and genuine.

P.S...Daygame is the #1 way to rapidly funnel tons of chicks into your life when in a new city with zero connections or access. However, once you have access to a "high end" night venue it becomes a supplement because the sheer amount of hot chicks you meet is much higher. "Good Girls" IMO is a belief-trap because majority of chicks in the daytime go out at night at the least on holidays and special occasions. (b-day) Beyond that, the amount of social events (art, fashion, photography, branding, PR, etc) before actual nightclubs is vastly different crowd, to say those chicks too are stereotypical party girls or club sluts would be ridiculous since generally these girls can't go out at night since they have actual work. I once met a stunning chick in a hollywood-like ball gown who stated she didn't go out at night much and was an interior designer.

P.S.S...I'm all about efficiency so you can focus on things beyond simply "getting sex" such as actually living enjoying the full life experience that we are all presented. Nothing better than having yet another memorable time with friends (male and female...although ratio bias heavily in favor of women) knowing you have nothing to worry about because sex is coming from so many directions it's retarded to actually give it much thought.

[serpico]

I'm focused on daygame after giving up booze for 3 months, and the fact that i move around a lot. Plus being late 30s just dont feel the vibe of a lot of clubs anymore. I was always solid at night game, and got good, consistent results on the reg. Then got into a LTR, drifted and now back in the game, focusing on Day-Game to supplement a healthier lifestyle.

One problem i find is that all my daygame experiences have come while living abroad in countries where i dont speak that language. I'm currently in Spain and find it's easy to go hours without the kind of 'social lubricant' chat you can have with randoms, shop assistants and so on. In a place with broader english spoken you can recharge your self with a bit of banter. Very hard to find that here as a non-spanish speaker.

It does no doubt toughen you up, and expose weakness' in your game and character way more than nightgame. The days when the Weasles win out and you dont approach are the most soul destroying. One thing Tom Torero said that i stand by 100% is make your first approach within the first 20mins of leaving the house. It's so easy to drift around thinking 'oh ill grab a coffee, just need to chill first, get to that area i like', then you end up wandering around, getting tired, and the day drifts. Better just bail on those days, recharge and go again.

If i was a young guy just out for random fucks, i'd stick to nightgame for sure. It's socially congruent for a kick off. When a women walks into a club she knows she will get approached. It's almost like a social contract. People meet in bars. While most women on a romantic level dont want to meet 'the one' in a bar, they do want to meet normal, well adjusted guys. What society deems 'Normal, well adjusted guys' generally dont really approach random women in shopping malls. I think this is at least partly down to the high flake rate from daygame, even when the interaction was tight i get the impression they may reflect on it and think 'that was kinda weird'. This is another reason why i only open girls who have given off an IOI. They know they showed interest, which seems to me makes the whole approach more socially congruent from their POV.

The one real pitfall with day-game is getting too much in your own head. Especially if out solo abroad. It's almost impossible not to do so to an extent. Once you realise this, you see the ability to remain positive and energised is as key a part of the skillset as anything else. Ultimately half the battle is won in your own head.

[OregonToSoCal]

^ I completely agree with your assessment of how many women view daygame. I remember watching a really bad MTV reality type show at least 20 years ago and they were following these women in college. One night they were getting ready to go hit the bars and one of the girls said something to the effect of "I hope I see the cute guy from my x class" implying that the only socially acceptable way for her to get to know him was at a bar and not, heaven forbid they talk during class.

I don't know why but that scene has always stuck with me through the years but it's a clear example of how women are always creating endless rules as to where they can and cannot meet someone for dating. I agree that much of daygame flaking is due to the guy violating said "rules" and her automatically assuming something is off with him even if the interaction went perfectly. The hamster never stops spinning...

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A lot of dead threads being resurrected recently.

[serpico]

That's where screening is key - the sort of girls i like (arty types) are more open to a daygame approach than your average more mainstream girl, who is probably more likely to be a conformist. That's just a theory as i rarely approach the latter, but seems the more open minded a girl is, the more open she will be to a day game interaction. Crass generalisation, but girls that dress more in a more arty/alternative fashion tend to be less close minded.

Personally i'm still at the stage where i'm testing this shit out. I see guys like Torero and Krauser do it and think if i can just push through this current clunky stage i can get solid results. Fact is i've done around 12 approaches in last 2 weeks, got 4 numbers and had one date, with a second (with same girl) in the pipeline. For all the effort and forethought that's pretty shabby results really, however i'm doing it more for building a skill-set than straight lays. If i can nail it and improve it will fit my lifestyle (basically drifting round Europe sustaining a passive income) like a glove. If it works for Krauser, Torero and others then i don't see why it wouldnt for me. Im in good shape, decent looking and got my shit together (up to a point at least).

Whether this is all a bit of a folly will become clear in time. Really the only competition is my own lethargy and procrastination. The brain always makes excuses not to press. Framing it as a moving meditation in taking action helps. Even if the desired results dont come straight away, being focused on taking action rather than lays keeps me positive. There's nothing worse than getting solid IOI's and then not having a go.

Classic case in coffee shop today. Girl was actively flirting. Knew i'd be kicking myself if didnt have go, waited too long, she left and i'm still annoyed at myself. Had a horrible approach last week, street stop stop from the side girl stopped, then i said 'hi just saw you and thought you looked like a cool girl..." she gave me a WTF look with 'raised eyebrows', turned and walked off head down.

As harsh as that felt in the moment, i felt better right away as i'd at least had a go. Nothing worse than inaction. Rejection is a doddle compared to the sting of regret.

[worldtraveler3]

I don't think the daygame.com guys' advices are recommendable on this forum.

[serpico]

(12-19-2015 03:35 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

I don't think the daygame.com guys' advices are recommendable on this forum.

Why? At least back that up fella.

[262]

Because worldtraveler3 is WAY more qualified than the daygame.com guys! Has he told you about his one WEIRD trick that gets any girl?