[The Beast1]

OP's people are technically Gen Xers who are in their own right horribly pathetic.

I have my own complaints i've stated about true millenials on this forum.

I personally think the disillusionment within my generation will cause something to happen. Who knows.

[MrLemon]

(04-13-2014 08:31 PM)Elixir Wrote:  

My brother is like this, he's fifteen, and one of the most spoiled kids I've ever met. He can't handle any criticism, and constantly makes bullshit excuses for everything. He's had most everything practically handed to him in his life but he plays the victim card like a feminist. I don't know where he got it, becuase all of our family is pretty conservative, and we've tried to teach him otherwise, so I guess the only answer is the public school system. It blows my mind.

My son is getting there fast. I try fighting it and get nowhere. Heartbreaking.

[MrLemon]

(11-28-2014 11:42 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

I personally think the disillusionment within my generation will cause something to happen.

It's called "war"

[The Father]

I'm speechless.

[The Beast1]

Nobody had a peanut allergy in my grade school. We all played dodgeball up until I graduated middle school in 2004.

I cried once in 4th grade for fucking up a spelling test and being pissed about being made to take it again. My friends mocked me relentlessly. Never did it again.

The only thing on that list that was true for me were participation trophies. I always threw them out. I never enjoyed sports that much as a kid. There weren't any participation trophies in music, just judges who would pick you apart.

Most of your complaints are true nowadays in my youngest brother's grades. He's 14.

Regardless, i'm tired of overly emotional men too. Thankfully i'm way higher up on the org chart in my company than most of the wheenie hipsters around me.

[samsamsam]

Quote:

Pro-tip to millennials: You might want to leave your parents at home when you show up for a job interview.

Though this may seem like a pretty basic rule of getting-a-job etiquette, 8 percent of recent college grads brought their parents along to an interview, according to an Adecco survey cited by the Wall Street Journal. What’s more, a full 3 percent actually had their parents sit in on their job tryout.

For these 20-somethings, who have grown accustomed to a life micro-managed by parents, having Mom or Dad by your side during the ultimate test may only seem natural. Indeed, “helicopter parenting,” which can range from scheduling playdates for kids to even writing letters to college admissions officers to boost their 17-year-old’s chances, has become a norm for many millennials.

This trend isn't necessarily a good thing. Recent research shows that parents’ over-involvement in their children’s lives can actually result in worse grades and decreased satisfaction for their kids. Still, employers are catering to that tendency by hosting “Take Your Parents To Work” days and inviting them to open houses, the WSJ reports.

But millennials’ inclination to lean on a parent may be about more than just helicopter parenting. Let’s be honest: This generation needs a little boost. The weak economy means that a new college graduate takes a job they feel they’re overqualified for once every five minutes, according to a recent report from McKinsey on Society. And half of recent college graduates work jobs that don’t require a degree, a January report from the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, found.

And they’re taking all the help they can get. About 13 percent of recent college graduates said they got a job through a parental connection, according to the Adecco survey.

If anyone brought their parents to a job interview it would be an immediate no fucking way. The author is a millennial so of course there is an attempt to justify the behavior. This generation thinks about how they are over qualified rather than showing appreciation for having a job. HR has to develop new strategies for dealing with these kids. When I started working I put my head down and worked and worried about vacation later. On a pbs special one of the comments was millenials will start talking about taking vacation on the first day of work. What the fuck?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11...07447.html

I am always surprised by what younger people think is acceptable to do or say. This is what happens when you have no struggle, poor guidance and no boundaries. I think due to social media people are so aware of group dynamics, people can't stand being different or spend time alone to develop solid skills like the ability to think logically and without emotion. They want to be part of groups but have no idea on how to have human interactions if there is no technology to assist them. And due to social media they feel like they can just say anything. We need to develop an app that punches people in the face. Then there can be some social conditioning for these kids. Rant off.

Edit: but to be fair some of the blame falls on the parents who want to be friends to their kids rather than parents.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Has anyone here ever seen or heard of a person bringing their parents to a job interview? I am a millennial and I have never seen or heard of it personally, just read about it on the internet. Has anyone witnessed or heard stories of this happening in real life?

If I were an employer and a person brought their parent to the job interview, I would tell them to go the fuck home because they aren't hired.

[The Father]

(11-28-2014 12:55 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

I cried once in 4th grade for fucking up a spelling test and being pissed about being made to take it again. My friends mocked me relentlessly. Never did it again.

Lesson learned! That's the way men learn things. From other men. Not from a 24 yr old chick teacher (i.e., glorified babysitter) or some weenie administrator.

[The Father]

lol

[Saweeep]

(11-28-2014 01:35 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

Has anyone here ever seen or heard of a person bringing their parents to a job interview? I am a millennial and I have never seen or heard of it personally, just read about it on the internet. Has anyone witnessed or heard stories of this happening in real life?

If I were an employer and a person brought their parent to the job interview, I would tell them to go the fuck home because they aren't hired.

Yup, I have.

Guy turned up with fat mum and fat girlfriend.

Next!

[Merris]

A lot of the stuff here I've never seen. Where the hell do you find people like this? Or maybe it hasn't landed into Finland in this magnitude yet. Or maybe I've just been lucky and never seen any of the kind of specifics mentioned here. Not referring to the general feeling of entitlement as such; that's obviously rampant here, at least in most parts of the society. Not so much in the professional world as far as I've seen, but that's not so much a typically Finnish problem.

It's more of a thing I've noticed with people around 16 to 20 years of age, guys especially. Maybe it's got something to do with the youth culture or whatever, but there seems to be this drive to be loud, intimidating, and very, very visible and "fly", but empty inside. Not talking about the 20-somethings who're doing super well in life, but the guys younger than that.

And it's not only the hip-hop-rap-ho dudes, but we have a LOT of hipstery skinny jean-macklemorehair-tightshirt-dudes with the same attitude towards life and succeeding. Most of them seem to be empty inside and prone to emotional breakdowns (from what I've seen. Could be confirmation bias too). A lot of the young business students especially are that like that, with an added dose of Nordic blue pill inserted from the childhood. A lot of them avoided the draft on top of it, and in business schools there are a lot of rich kids. A nice combination.

As for girls... Well, we have the most "experienced young women" in Europe. I think that explains enough.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-28-2014 12:34 PM)The Father Wrote:  

I'm not sure they are technically Gen X. The one was about 30, so born 1984. I'm a Gen-X'er and these kids bare no resemblance to me.

I know I dump on Millennials a lot on here, but I figure any Millennial guy reading this site understands he's a thought criminal at odds with the toxic values of his own generation and knows I'm not specifically meaning him.

As a Gen-X'er, we were part of the degeneration. I was there in the trenches at university and learnt to loathe my peers. We're responsible for third wave feminism, which cultivated the idea that being offended was a social problem and not a personal one. We normalised tattoos and stupid hair colours as a way of displaying individually through conformity. If you wonder why every SJW swears like a 12 year old tough guy, that's a specific hangover of third wave feminism. Our music idols were precious wankers like Kurt Cobain (a classic child of divorce angry at everything, confusing his parents who said he was given everything he wanted) and Michael Stipe (championing every leftist cause under the sun).

We also take a huge part of the blame for politicising everything. When I read about Gamer Plus and Atheism Plus, that's classic Gen X behaviour. Grunge was the most precious rock music ever, because it had to seem aggressive and angry whilst also making leftist statements about recycling, rainforest renewal, homophobia and racism.

We poisoned the world with our cynicism: we were 'over everything', understood there were no 'heroes' and that everyone and everything was inherently corrupt. Our bogeyman was The Evil Corporation, which was normalised into every media and entertainment narrative since. If you wonder why the millennial generation has nothing but despair and snark to offer instead of optimism and hope, that's our legacy.

They only difference I see between them and us is the huge upsurge in narcissism due to social media and single women raising children, which is where personal offence has transitioned into personal attack to them.

[Hannibal]

Yeah, I work in a factory and I can say with all certainty that the biggest pieces of shit entering the workforce are millenials. They can't handle the physical labor, bitch way too much about shit that doesn't matter, and turnover with them is remarkably high. The women are fat and slovenly, and speak only of relationships and what they're stuffing their faces with at the moment. They run to HR in a fucking hurry if anything upsets them and are a sore sight for eyes. I can't even stand within shouting distance because most of the "women" smell. Some background information, this is a graveyard 12 hour shift at a factory and it is hot in there all year round.

I'm 24 so I'm not sure if I still count as a millenial, but for fucks sakes, the entry level job here is what I would call light duty labor. None of them have any appreciable muscle mass and anything even slightly uncomfortable upsets them; the bitching is endless.

There are a lot of good younger workers here, but I would guess at least 40% of the rotten apples leave inside of two months.

[The Beast1]

(11-28-2014 04:29 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

Yeah, I work in a factory and I can say with all certainty that the biggest pieces of shit entering the workforce are millenials. They can't handle the physical labor, bitch way too much about shit that doesn't matter, and turnover with them is remarkably high. The women are fat and slovenly, and speak only of relationships and what they're stuffing their faces with at the moment. They run to HR in a fucking hurry if anything upsets them and are a sore sight for eyes. I can't even stand within shouting distance because most of the "women" smell. Some background information, this is a graveyard 12 hour shift at a factory and it is hot in there all year round.

I'm 24 so I'm not sure if I still count as a millenial, but for fucks sakes, the entry level job here is what I would call light duty labor. None of them have any appreciable muscle mass and anything even slightly uncomfortable upsets them; the bitching is endless.

There are a lot of good younger workers here, but I would guess at least 40% of the rotten apples leave inside of two months.

Lol 1980s to 2000s you're a millenial

[CJ_W]

(11-28-2014 12:34 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:42 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

OP's people are technically Gen Xers who are in their own right horribly pathetic.

I have my own complaints i've stated about true millenials on this forum.

I personally think the disillusionment within my generation will cause something to happen. Who knows.

I'm not sure they are technically Gen X. The one was about 30, so born 1984. I'm a Gen-X'er and these kids bare no resemblance to me. As a boy:

- I knew no one with a peanut allergy. Not one kid. Now, you can't even bring your OWN PB&J sandwich to school, because some kid three rows down could be allergic and get a whiff of your PB. That's right - peanut butter is banned in some schools. Banned quicker than a troll in front of Tuthmosis

- We played dodge ball, kick ball, all the 'violent' games kids are not allowed to play today.

- Only winners got trophies. Losers got mocked.

- If you cried in school, you were labeled a "pussy" or a "faggot" and the other kids wouldn't have anything to do with you. The school would tell you "boys don't cry". They did NOT encourage you to "explore your feelings".

- And, the most significant thing that has gone missing in Millenial classrooms: When a got her boobs early, really big boobs...she got felt up :/ The teachers would roll their eyes and look away. Now, SWAT teams would descend and any boy who even LOOKED at her boobs would have "Sex offender for life" tattooed on his forehead like Brad Pitt did in "Inglorious Basterds". That's how extremely PC school has become. Wasn't that way for me.

In short, don't call these kids MY generation

Maybe you just live in an area where pussy men thrive? I'm 30 and I Never heard of any of that stuff.

-We played DOUBLE dodgeball, basically dodgeball with two balls, two teams on opposite sides chucking balls at each other, head shots were banned (we had kids ages 10-16 playing it so obvious reasons for that), if you caught the ball, the person throwing it was out and someone from your team who was out got back in, if the ball hit you , you were out. SO, the biggest people on the teams would throw the ball as hard as they could, and the kids with the biggest balls would try to catch it then throw it right back to another kid on the other team to get him out, all while trying to dodge the second ball that another kid would throw with all his might. There was clearly a winning. and losing team as well.

-When I was going to school, I knew of NO ONE who had any allergies to food.

-For two years during Summer in my college years, I was a camp counselor at a boys camp in the mountains where parents would send their kids for the week to stay in "cabins" (really just rooms with 3-4 bunk beds in them) [one week I had Jackson Browne's kid in my cabin] At the camp, we did three hour night hikes in the mountains, learned outdoor cocking, pitched tents, built fires, did archery (which I taught) did rock climbing, horse back riding, ropes course, and zip lining. I was about 21-22 then, and that was the only time I noticed that kids had peanut butter allergies, but it was only like 3-4 kids out of the 200 that went each week.

The kids would do stupid shit like:
throw giant rocks at beehives and be forced to run off,
-get LOST during DAY hikes in which we had to find said kid(s)
-Fight each other
-Run around naked (only happened once thank god, that kid was a fucking idiot anyway)
-make fun of the retarded/effeminate kid
-break shit that I'd have to try and fix


Hell, one time my group had a sleep out with our tents and sleeping bags and I woke up to a coyote staring me in the face at 3 am in the morning(no little dark story here, I didn't fight off 20 of them, I Just stared it down and it went off). . .apparently the head counselor was feeding them and I assumed he thought I would feed it too. . .I learned about this later though.

There was pretty much 0 of that pussy stuff you are talking about as I grew up. So maybe its just where you live? or did something change in the past 8 years? (I lived overseas from the time I graduated college until about 5 years later.)

[Hannibal]

(11-28-2014 04:38 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Lol 1980s to 2000s you're a millenial

[The Father]

Hmm.

[Deuce Anna Half]

29 years old here, and I see this shit in some of the calls I run. Men in their 20s and 30s freaking out over small cuts and scrapes. Oven fires where nobody in the house has the bright idea to turn the damn thing off before calling us. "Trouble breathing" calls that consist of adults having full-on panic attacks from getting yelled at by their kids and vice versa. Gas leaks or electrical fires where "do you know where your gas shutoff/breaker box is" is met with a blank stare from the man who owns the home. I've even had a few "suicide attempt" calls (the angsty teenage girl way of chugging a bunch of pills instead of taking the .38 express) where guys tried to off themselves because they had an argument with their girlfriends.

My dad was a hardass but between him and the crew at my job I thank God I didn't end up like those guys.

[brianmark]

(04-12-2014 01:41 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I would say that something like 25% of millennial aged men are heavily feminized to the degree that you might actually mistake them for homosexuals when interacting with them due to their soft, lispy voices and mannerisms. It's pretty bad. The middle 50% are just sort of passive, bitch men. Not really masculine or overly feminine. Almost androgynous in their behavior. Then you have 25% who are more or less masculine (mostly less). It's very rare that I meet or even see a guy under 30 and think, "Now here's a masculine guy," which really isn't that high of a bar to meet. I'd qualify it as: having a masculine physical presence/body language, being assertive and confident, and not engaging in feminine behaviors. That's about all it takes to come across as masculine, and the vast majority of millennial guys can't do it, failing in one way or another. For example, maybe the guy works out and has a good physique, but spends all day on social media on his phone, behaving like a woman. Or maybe the guy has a confident personality but a pathetic, doughy physique because he can't control his diet. Or the guy seems rock solid at first, then you seen him around women and his frame evaporates and he turns into a puddle of goo.

I have been watching the last two seasons of 90 Day Fiance. These guys are so feminine. Some fall into that mistaken for gay category. They are a pitiful example of what American guys have become. I can't even use the word men for them! 80% of them will end up divorced and just used for an alimony or child support payment.

[brianmark]

(04-13-2014 06:36 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 05:34 PM)Faust Wrote:  

So I have a question for the rest of the forum:
Has anyone else personally experienced behavior like The Father described in his first post? I see a lot of things in the news about how horrible Millenials are, but I'm interested to know if anyone else here has personal experience of the type of stuff that they describe.

Oh yeah. I've seen it and won't touch those mama boy pussies with a ten foot pole at my job ( have to work and finish stuff) I hire 38 +

I have seen this change in the working world a lot recently. In the past companies were hiring the youth because they were cheap. Now companies are seriously hiring experienced employees even if they cost more, because they know they will get the job done!

[Sonsowey]

Im basically a millenial and have never done anything like crying on the job or seen another male do this. Even after being terminated, still, it is not the end of the world.

I think I have the opposite problem, I act unabashedly like myself at jobs, and by not being a complete bitchboy people are put off by me. I have had to learn to tone it down to not offend women and bitchy guys at work...

[Foolsgo1d]

I read this thread and concluded you guys hang around way too many limp-wristed males. Go to the zoo for a while and bask in some testosterone.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(11-28-2014 07:36 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

I read this thread and concluded you guys hang around way too many limp-wristed males. Go to the zoo for a while and bask in some testosterone.

That's the point of this thread. We're complaining about failures that are of our sex.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-28-2014 07:17 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

I used to be one of these emotionally unstable Millennials that we are all talking about. Crying all the time and basically acting like a little bitch. I chalked it up to the fact that my parents are dead (mother is literally dead and father is figuratively dead to me). I had a father in name only in my late teens and after my mother passed away, he became a massive piece of shit who used me for money even though I had very little as a student. I never really had any guidance or a support system. I was pretty entrenched in blue pill ideology. I always had to support myself (and sometimes my own father) while in school earning my doctorate.

Reading some of these horror stories (like Millennials having their parents talk to their employers), I realize I wasn't that bad. Many of my friends who are my age (28) talk about how they live at home and their parents help them so much. All I can think to myself is "that must be nice." I have very little respect for most of the people like that considering the fact that I never had a social safety net like they had. I had to make things happen on my own. I was frequently depressed though and often suicidal. Always trying to take anti-depressants to solve the problem. While I had no trouble getting laid (after undergrad), I realize now that my happiness was very dependent on women. When I had a gf, I was happy (for a time) and when I was single, I was depressed. My politics weren't bad though. I was libertarian and then when Ron Paul came along, I began my red pill journey to where I am now. I began understanding the role feminism played in the culture. Eventually through blogs/Youtubers I followed, I found RVF. All I can say is that this place has been a Godsend. I began reading books like The Rational Male and The Way of Men. I began to get in touch with my masculinity. I began lifting weights, reading good books, learning game (though I will admit I am still a coward who is working on approach anxiety which cripples me). For the first time in my life I feel content with who I am as a man, my mission in life, and where I am going. It couldn't have come at a better time because I was turning to alcoholism to feel better. This is dangerous. I work alone, I live alone, I spend nearly 95% of my time completely alone. Being like this and severely depressed and attempting to use the bottle to cure it was a recipe for disaster.

Sadly, I think that you cannot force the red pill onto people. It has to be a journey to appreciate it. Most people are entrenched in their blue pill ways and generally avoid any controversial topics. I have tried seeding the red pill into the minds of my friends by recommending certain blogs or books but they generally ignore them. They are unwilling to put in the time to read. They want to be "nice" guys.

I can honestly say that this community saved my life. It's not for everyone though. You have to seek it out.

This is a superb post, Tree. You've had a hard life and have stayed strong through it and made a man out of yourself. I respect and admire that.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(11-28-2014 08:29 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 07:17 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

I used to be one of these emotionally unstable Millennials that we are all talking about. Crying all the time and basically acting like a little bitch. I chalked it up to the fact that my parents are dead (mother is literally dead and father is figuratively dead to me). I had a father in name only in my late teens and after my mother passed away, he became a massive piece of shit who used me for money even though I had very little as a student. I never really had any guidance or a support system. I was pretty entrenched in blue pill ideology. I always had to support myself (and sometimes my own father) while in school earning my doctorate.

Reading some of these horror stories (like Millennials having their parents talk to their employers), I realize I wasn't that bad. Many of my friends who are my age (28) talk about how they live at home and their parents help them so much. All I can think to myself is "that must be nice." I have very little respect for most of the people like that considering the fact that I never had a social safety net like they had. I had to make things happen on my own. I was frequently depressed though and often suicidal. Always trying to take anti-depressants to solve the problem. While I had no trouble getting laid (after undergrad), I realize now that my happiness was very dependent on women. When I had a gf, I was happy (for a time) and when I was single, I was depressed. My politics weren't bad though. I was libertarian and then when Ron Paul came along, I began my red pill journey to where I am now. I began understanding the role feminism played in the culture. Eventually through blogs/Youtubers I followed, I found RVF. All I can say is that this place has been a Godsend. I began reading books like The Rational Male and The Way of Men. I began to get in touch with my masculinity. I began lifting weights, reading good books, learning game (though I will admit I am still a coward who is working on approach anxiety which cripples me). For the first time in my life I feel content with who I am as a man, my mission in life, and where I am going. It couldn't have come at a better time because I was turning to alcoholism to feel better. This is dangerous. I work alone, I live alone, I spend nearly 95% of my time completely alone. Being like this and severely depressed and attempting to use the bottle to cure it was a recipe for disaster.

Sadly, I think that you cannot force the red pill onto people. It has to be a journey to appreciate it. Most people are entrenched in their blue pill ways and generally avoid any controversial topics. I have tried seeding the red pill into the minds of my friends by recommending certain blogs or books but they generally ignore them. They are unwilling to put in the time to read. They want to be "nice" guys.

I can honestly say that this community saved my life. It's not for everyone though. You have to seek it out.

This is a superb post, Tree. You've had a hard life and have stayed strong through it and made a man out of yourself. I respect and admire that.

Thanks. It's my life. This community is important to me because it has helped me a great deal.