[Inspired]

(04-20-2014 05:16 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 06:48 AM)Inspired Wrote:  

I'm also just back in America and will be staying here for at least a couple of months. I also already want to leave.

This is one of the strangest returns I've made......

The country has changed. I just have that feeling from what I'm seeing, but things like prices and customer service have worsened greatly. Prices have really gone up. I am shocked. It's actually cheaper to live in Europe and pay euro prices for most things it seems. Especially food. I spent $70 in a grocery store and bought nothing. In Europe I'd have twice as much food, and way higher quality.

In any Chaim restaurant you go to, portions have shrunk and prices are up. I got a Burger half the size and got like 18 pitiful French fries instead of what was normally the whole plate filled with fries. And service? Nobody cares anymore. Americans have really lost their special and unique get up and go energy and seem to just not give a fuck.

I'm also noticing more and more how the American accent and other Americanisms are highly irritating to me. I've become repulsed. The fake, loud mouthed, empty showoff way of talking etc is such a turn off. I get seriously annoyed when I hear anyone talk.

But this return is a strange one. Despite dealing with some significant personal issues at this time (which may negatively color my perspective), I just finally have the feeling like America is finally maybe not the place for me or where I'd have an interest in permanently returning to or residing.

And this is significant because I've always been very torn on whether to remain in Europe or America. And I always blamed Europe for some of my failings and always dreamed of how I could be doing better in America. But now I almost feel a sense of closure about this issue. I sort of feel like I really don't belong in America. And I feel like I should maybe get serious about a life staying in Europe permanently and abandon the American option.

I've never felt like this before. This is quite a serious moment in my life.

Maybe I need to resolve some issues and get out more and adjust to things, but there's no doubt that things are different now.

???Food is cheaper in USA than most of Europe... are you sure? Food is even cheaper in NYC than parts of Ukraine,Poland i was at. Realize in America MOST folks don't pay full price..so yeah I guess brand name shit can cost.

I don't want to derail the current conversation or anything. Perhaps I posted to soon. I had just arrived and went out to a more expensive supermarket and some other places. The prices there were shockingly more expensive, and I know now that this isn't representative of the average prices. But, prices have gone up, a lot. And the American dominating advantage of being plentiful and cheap in comparison to Europe, is starting to disappear. That was the one thing that America always had. And that was one thing that I always considered, praised, or missed when I compared America to Europe etc. That factor is now, for me, for the first time, becoming a non factor, and that is hugely significant, as well as being another confirmation of the US decline that others are discussing in this thread.

Also, in addition to the price increases and poorer quality, I find myself spending a shitload more money here than i would in Europe. It's just easier to spend more money in America because of the increased selection of products and the need for commercialism (buying shit) as a substitute for the empty sort of living that I see going on here.

Since I posted last, I've made many more observations. But generally, I'm seeing a society that's grown spoiled, too comfortable, and is no doubt, in rapid decline. I thought I saw this the last time I was here in early 2012, but I had no idea how much worse things would have gotten. There is this pervasive "don't give a fuck" attitude and aura everywhere that is just IN YOUR FACE if you've been away for a bit and have the observational skills to see it for what it is.

Everything is half assed. And the girls? They're a lost cause. They can't be rehabilitated. At the same time, I don't think I can be rehabilitated either. Especially when I'm completely repulsed whenever these bitches open their mouths (if I haven't already been turned off by the visual aspects of their mannerisms etc).

[Roosh]

(04-21-2014 07:05 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I can already see that being away has made you kinder and gentler. You're being way too polite.

In E Europe I'm genuinely a nice guy, and I'm rewarded for it. It's not that easy to flip to the dark side in such a short timeframe. The issue is that even in spite of what I'm experiencing, I'm not getting angry, which would be good fuel for the fire.

[TheBulldozer]

The ability to interact in person is something that is being lost. This has consequences far beyond 'game' as it's commonly thought of.

A small anecdotal from this afternoon. I approach a cute girl on the subway fiddling with her iPhone, on Instagram, despite the fact there's no service underground.

Me: The service is great down here, isn't it?

Her: What are you talking about? I'm not getting service down here.

Me: It's a joke.

Her with a glazed over clueless look on her face: Oh.

She proceeded to attempt to swipe through Instagram as if she were getting normal service.

[Tommy Eyes]

(04-20-2014 10:18 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Recently, some girls in my University called the cops on a pair of guys that tried to daygame them.

LOL this happened at my school too: there was a campus alert email about some guy trying to get some girls numbers. They made it sound like he was a predator or something. Hypersensitive indeed, when a bad approach turned into a campus alert.

[Tuthmosis]

(04-21-2014 07:59 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

Her: What are you talking about? I'm not getting service down here.

God, shit like this happens to me so much now. I know it's not me, because I have verifiable social skills and the (social) resume to prove it.

I've seen girls scramble for their phones--as if they were medieval shields that will protect them--when I make obviously harmless small talk in the supermarket line.

[Rotisserie]

(04-21-2014 05:48 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Why are men so thirsty current day, when women are sluttier than ever?

It's easier to get laid now then ever before (in theory), but yet 'men' are falling over themselves… when women are literally giving their pussy away.

Women today may be more 'open-minded' about sex outside of marriage and their 'willingness to explore,' as just one lazy definition of slutty.

But getting laid is not easier, precisely because women are not giving pussy away, as Vitriol pointed out a while back in this thread:

(04-20-2014 08:34 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25094142

Quote:

"But we also think modern technologies are behind the trend too. People have tablets and smartphones and they are taking them into the bedroom, using Twitter and Facebook, answering emails."

I wish I had a McQueen-equivalent lifestyle that provides access to a niche of young girls that still value real-life experience, i.e. going out to nightclubs, more than staying at home with a pint of Ben and Jerry's watching Netflix. Granted, it's a lot more complicated as others have explained… the girls that DO go out are less open than before. But at least they're out. Nightclubs are an imperfect example, but there are still places girls like to go.

The mission is to find bitches not married to their phones… and like WestCoast points out, let them know you are CONSTANTLY having fun, real-life experiences.

(04-21-2014 04:55 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

To be honest my entire game relies 100% on snap chat and real time photos. (Text game that is)...
Any text interaction is going to start with some cool crap I am actually doing. Can be as weak as the gym to as cool as being front row at the NHL playoff matchup….

If every time you hang out with the girl you're doing some cool crap, dancing, going to a spoting event, partying on a boat, going to a rave, going sky diving, etc. How can she possibly NOT want to be around you. …

"I'll be here at x come at X time, if not no worries"

Blast to 6 girls 2 come through flake on the less attractive one.

I like this thinking, because we can use smartphones to our advantage. I've inadvertently used the 'I'll be at x, go if you want' before and resulted in some of the best quality lays I've had. Nice to see it written out like that.

[Tuthmosis]

(04-21-2014 07:59 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

She proceeded to attempt to swipe through Instagram as if she were getting normal service.

Incidentally, my line to kill that phone-crutch reflex still works.

"Are you one of those iPhone [or smartphone] addicts?"

No matter what, it always does something worthwhile. She either laughs and I ramble from there ("Yeah, I read an article about..."), or she gets self-conscious and puts it away, or she gets offended and provides me with some good lulz.

[Vaun]

(04-21-2014 05:08 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I think they get sexual stimulation from social media and I would guess that female masturbation is on the rise also.
I wonder if porn is often the new one night stand?

It is, in their quest to be where the fun is, i.e. to invade and ultimately ruin whatever men do on their own, women are masterbating like crazy. So much so female oriented porn is taking over the porn industry. How does it affect the approach? These women think they are sexually fulfilled, albeit sexless ego maniacs who think they somehow have won against men. Adapt or die.

I tend toward the 1:1 and avoid night game. If I meet a tolerable attractive and interesting women, I want to keep her around for a while. I live practically right above a popular NYC neighborhood bar, full of pussy on any given night, and I will go in for a drink, but its all groups of these aggro abrasive chicks who I have no interest in, I'm around these chicks all day as it is. Day time and social approaches always yield much better results for me; the women are caught off guard, shes flattered, I get the number and get bangs. No defenses or posturing. I have used the 'you get service?' opener many times to success.

[samsamsam]

(04-21-2014 08:08 PM)Tommy Eyes Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 10:18 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Recently, some girls in my University called the cops on a pair of guys that tried to daygame them.

LOL this happened at my school too: there was a campus alert email about some guy trying to get some girls numbers. They made it sound like he was a predator or something. Hypersensitive indeed, when a bad approach turned into a campus alert.

First person I thought of was Gio.

[Brosemite]

^^ Was about to post something about that Samsamsam haha

[ChrisGambi]

It's actually a good thing to spend some time in the us or west eu while living in the pps of sea or ee - it downregulates your gages. Kudos to roosh for even going out and putting up with these monsters, dispite having the return trip already booked.

[rlongo924]

(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

The manosphere narrative is that girls are getting sluttier and the cock carousel is a huge problem, but like mentioned earlier, it's possible girls are being satisfied with attention from social networking and actually sleeping with fewer men. We may be in the middle of some type of shift.

This is so true. It's all attributable to the crazy smartphone usage increase in the past couple of years. Tinder, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram have kinda replaced actual guys, it gives them the "dopamine hit" roosh talks about sometimes.

Try and walk around and go literally two minutes without seeing a girl fucking around with her phone.

Literally impossible. Bad, bad trends!

[samsamsam]

(04-21-2014 07:59 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

The ability to interact in person is something that is being lost. This has consequences far beyond 'game' as it's commonly thought of.

A small anecdotal from this afternoon. I approach a cute girl on the subway fiddling with her iPhone, on Instagram, despite the fact there's no service underground.

Me: The service is great down here, isn't it?

Her: What are you talking about? I'm not getting service down here.

Me: It's a joke.

Her with a glazed over clueless look on her face: Oh.

She proceeded to attempt to swipe through Instagram as if she were getting normal service.

Does make me wonder if you guys were walking around with one of these how the world might change. One of the reviewers said, "Amazing! Watching movies and Theater shows with no disturbances! Great job!"

It's a cell phone jammer, I think it might be illegal not sure.


http://www.phonejammer.com/product.php?p...249&page=1

[TheBulldozer]

Unintended consequences.

I'd now be talking to women in a miserable mood because their phones won't work.

[Suq Madiq]

Except in cases when you're truly being an idiot, it means nothing about you and everything about the girl when she's being rude. You were just there at the wrong time and there probably wasn't any guy who could successfully approach her at that particular time. Girls are usually only rude when they already look unapproachable and upset to begin with, and believe it or not, that same girl may be surprisingly warm and interested in you at another time and place.

You should expect to get turned down a lot when approaching. Just because a girl turns you down or is difficult to deal with doesn't mean she thinks you're this ugly loser. The idea that girls are holding out for a top 0.1% guy is 100% false. The most attractive girls out there usually just want an above-average-looking guy, probably in the better-looking 10%-20%, and from that point it's mostly about having compatible personalities. Even the hottest 0.1% of girls probably will go for the better-looking 5%-10% of guys provided their personalities click. Some very attractive girls like to date down. Way down even.

If you confidently approach a girl and come off as a cool guy, all that matters at that point is whether she sees you as being her type and whether or not she feels like meeting a random guy.

Believing girls are all trying to get a 0.1% guy will make you cynical and totally unrealistic. Some approaches can be frustrating, but keep your mind focused on the girls you do want. Be unrealistically pessimistic and you'll leave pussy on the table.

[Vicious]

Gio, there is no issue. Just pointing out that this is how you verbally spar.

I only have a full day in SF to cover the entire city so my schedule there is packed with touristy shit.

[Barron]

(04-22-2014 12:36 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 07:59 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

The ability to interact in person is something that is being lost. This has consequences far beyond 'game' as it's commonly thought of.

A small anecdotal from this afternoon. I approach a cute girl on the subway fiddling with her iPhone, on Instagram, despite the fact there's no service underground.

Me: The service is great down here, isn't it?

Her: What are you talking about? I'm not getting service down here.

Me: It's a joke.

Her with a glazed over clueless look on her face: Oh.

She proceeded to attempt to swipe through Instagram as if she were getting normal service.

Does make me wonder if you guys were walking around with one of these how the world might change. One of the reviewers said, "Amazing! Watching movies and Theater shows with no disturbances! Great job!"

It's a cell phone jammer, I think it might be illegal not sure.


http://www.phonejammer.com/product.php?p...249&page=1

This is an interesting concept...
Arrive at a busy bar with lots of people and then remove all mobile service and see how the room changes. In America I bet this would kill business for most establishments as about 90% of people are zombified by smartphones and can't go without

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Blame women's behavior on technology, as others have said. Social media and texting have brought out the worst in them.

It wasn't always this way.

From around 1993-2007 we went through a fantastic "intermediate" period of technology, where we were all on AIM and Yahoo Messenger anonymously and it was easy to meet women. They weren't using their real names, and as such were unselfconscious and didn't have bitch shields up. Plus, since the technology was new, it all felt surreal and people acted like they were at a party.

But then we had to go to "real names," and women became more interested in "image-burnishing." What we're dealing with now is the LinkedIn/public version of women, not the AIM version. We got the "real" women (horny, perverse, and fun) when they were all under pseudonyms.

Because as Oscar Wilde once said "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." AOL and Yahoo once provided such a mask. Zuckerberg and texting (and even OKC and Match) stripped it away.

People think of technology as an accoutrement, but don't get that it begets entire realms of human behavior. The most obvious example is that if men hadn't invented household appliances, women like Betty Friedan wouldn't have had time to sit around writing inventing feminism since running a household would have consumed all her time. The replacement of AIM and Yahoo with texting and Facebook took women from a fun Roaring Twenties mindset to an uptight '70s feminist one.

[Cattle Rustler]

If you can't get a woman off her smartphone then you aren't appealing enough to her. The phone shaming tactic is a good one.

Step yo game up!

[StarcraftGG]

I see the struggle of my fellow RooshVers and I hear the advice of the respected players here telling people to:

Step up their game, have pre-established verbal comebacks, taking massive action on your own personal situation, go far beyond average, etc., with the goal of getting more women.

Like Roosh, I heard the call in the 2000s and stepped up my game and adapted to the situation. After visiting Colombia, I realized that what is going on in the USA is INSANE! It’s obvious from the posters here that things are getting more INSANE! Emphasis on INSANE!

I decided for myself that progressing any further with my game in the USA is simply not worth it – it’s not worth the extremely valuable currency of life – TIME. I would much rather invest the time in a plan for getting to Colombia more often and for longer durations.

Again, this was a personal decision and I’m not saying it’s for everyone, and I’m definitely not saying stop gaming, but I think everyone should stop to evaluate the situation before going further. For me personally, I’ve decided that it’s no longer worth it here in the USA.

Roosh said –

Quote:

Classic game as we practiced it in the 00's will provide less rewards as these trends continue. For better or worse, a MGTOW philosophy is the future for "average" men. The US market is so stacked against men that it's becoming the rational option. I sense a huge shift in the near future (5 years) where men become MGTOW without realizing what it is. The Japanese herbivore phenomenon is the closest model to what we will see in the States.

I agree with this – I myself have basically given up and have gone MGTOW here in the USA. It was a rational decision that made sense to me.

Roosh also said:

Quote:

In E Europe I'm genuinely a nice guy, and I'm rewarded for it. It's not that easy to flip to the dark side in such a short timeframe. The issue is that even in spite of what I'm experiencing, I'm not getting angry, which would be good fuel for the fire.

Like Roosh, I am a nice guy. I want to be nice and kind to people, and I want people to be nice and kind back to me. I want to be liked for being nice and kind, I like girls who are nice and kind. I want to be with people who are nice and kind like me, and I definitely do not want to stop being nice and kind so that I can meet girls that are also not nice and are definitely not kind.

This is not delusional thinking because like Roosh, I’ve found a place in the world where this is reality.

Like Roosh, I am also not angry at the situation here in the US. I have found a place (Colombia) that’s not messed up and I’ve mentally detached from expecting anything from the USA. Compared to my old self in the 2000s, my ability to get girls here has gone down, but that’s just fine because I no longer want the girls that are here!

For some guys it’s all worth it as long as they get the bang. I used to be that way but as I grow older, it’s not worth my time to try bang a girl that I do not genuinely like as a person. I would rather be alone.

[WestCoast]

Don't really get it to be honest, I'm' spending LESS time on game.

Use technology to your advantage by making use of things that cannot be faked. Adapt.

1) turn on your read receipts on your iphone.
2) use snapchat for game instead of texts
3) don't use online dating stuff like tinder and instead use it as a way to spark a convo about how meeting people in real life is better
4) no more getting shit faced at the club

I spend literally 4 hours a week on "game" ie meeting new people. This is hardly an investment.

Also, I am no where near the top 1% in looks? I've used every online dating strategy on the Internet and get ranked as a "3.3-3.6/10". So I don't even use that for volume.


It's really not that crazy if you adapt, again I game less. I have outlined my strategy here.

1) meet girls stone cold sober = real confidence
2) meet girls at fitness type events like yoga, the gym, out doors jogging, on a college campus etc
3) snapchat only for 1-3 interactions a week, 2 legit photos and one "stupid one" to make her laugh
4) invite "going to be at X at Y time come if you like if not no worries"
5) blast #4 to at least 5 prospects
6) flake on them or keep them
7) become best friends with the bouncers/bartenders so you don't have to wait in line
8) wash rinse repeat

Don't spend any of your actual time running game, do this as you live a cool life. The next date I have is with a girl I met on a ferry ride across the bay. Chit chatting about some seafood event we were going to, number move on.

If you're spending 10-20hours a week on game you're doing it wrong. Live a fun life and invite to your regular life. Much easier, no stress, more fun and more lays.

Wins across the board.

[Vicious]

(04-22-2014 11:20 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

2) use snapchat for game instead of texts

The rationale being?

[Walderschmidt]

I moved back to the US three years ago. Still, I have never dated an American girl. And that won't change anytime soon.

Wald

[Virtus]

Welcome Back!

Here is the welcoming committee



or was it a welcoming manatee?? fuckign spelling

[samsamsam]

^^ why do all the chicks who comment on not making to make a sandwich for their boyfriend seem to have eaten way too many sandwiches and possibly even their boyfriends?