[Kieran]

(03-20-2014 01:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ it is obvious because you wouldn't invest all that much time.

Working 2 hours a week means you're either just getting by or you're wealthy.

From you posts I can tell you are not rich so you're just getting by. Quite obvious my man.

I don't really care if people live like that but again as I noted, it's selfish to be broke so I would never ever do that.

If you're rich + only working 2 hours a week somehow 999/1000 you already put your heart and soul into a business or a career. Right?

Of course you can work harder and make more money.

however.

It is obvious those extra hours wouldn't yield a high return. Otherwise you would choose the high return.

Not really rocket science.

My example is obvious.

I can quit today and work zero hours for life

What are my other options?

Clearly if I am working I must be getting paid well.

Therefore if I was not getting paid well I would be lounging around chilling.

This is exactly what WWT was alluding to earlier in the thread.

Some people choose to spend their lives pursuing their passion, rather than money. It's really that simple.

[WestCoast]

^ correct they don't care about their friends/families and don't give a fuck about their health or the health of others.

If you were really passionate about it you wouldn't be "doing it" for 2 hours a day. (Pun intended)

Again I called your straw man argument out.

You only work 2 hours because you have no opportunity to make a large income if you increase your hours.

Thank you.

[Samseau]

(03-20-2014 01:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ I agree you won't change their minds. Nor mine.

I only posted a lot here so anyone young who reads it will not make a bad life mistake.

The biggest mistake I ever made in life was chasing money too much. Regret it every day. On the other hand, enjoying my time has made me happier than I've ever been.

I think you are doing some young guys a disservice. What you say about chasing money is the same shit that gets repeated in schools and colleges, and it's why American culture is so shallow and materialistic.

There is a reason that virtually all of the world's great books, philosophers, authors, etc. have all slammed money and call it a waste of life.

You can chase money all you want, but in the end it owns you. You can do everything to hold on to it, but in the end money has no loyalty to anyone.

[Kieran]

(03-20-2014 01:35 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ correct they don't care about their friends/families and don't give a fuck about their health or the health of others.

If you were really passionate about it you wouldn't be "doing it" for 2 hours a day. (Pun intended)

Again I called your straw man argument out.

You only work 2 hours because you have no opportunity to make a large income if you increase your hours.

Thank you.

My family are set for life through their own efforts. They don't need anything from me.

I was passionate about it enough that I spent 20 years doing it. I didn't make it big, but I can still make an easy living doing something related to it.

[WestCoast]

^ hahaha ridiculous.

Again the key here is opportunity. What are your options.

Yeah if you can't actually succeed then at least you tried, better to give it a go in your 20s.

It's not that hard.

Hell if you went to the oil sands you'd get a million by 30. That doesn't even require a high functioning brain.

I am glad no one relies on you but that has nothing to do with the topic.

You will be "good enough" at game after a single year of going out once a week. Not really a difficult skill set to get the hang of.

[Kieran]

But then I'd have had to spend my twenties in the oil sands instead of trying to make it in my sport (I would definitely regret that).

[soup]

(03-20-2014 01:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ well in that case if you don't want to amass a fortune it tells me three things.

1. You don't value your friends/family because life will fuck them up at least once. You have no interest in helping them = what kind of friend are you?
2. You never had the opportunity to do it because you chose a life of leisure over the payment for success.
3. You don't value your own personal health because you have no interest in making sure you have the best medical professionals at your hands and feet.

Anyone can get chicks. Not everyone is smart enough to pay the price to be legitimately successful.

I agree I want to be able support my family- those are good reasons to make money.

I'm talking about people who have more money than they know what to do with. That's dangerous.

Man- this thread is about getting chicks

Let's get back to the topic.

[WestCoast]

Ahh screw it nemeciene has me beat I've made my points.

People can decide what they want to do, but if you can't get good enough at game on 3-6 hours per week as a hobby you have got serious social issues.

All you need is a baseline of game.

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-20-2014 01:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 01:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ I agree you won't change their minds. Nor mine.

I only posted a lot here so anyone young who reads it will not make a bad life mistake.

The biggest mistake I ever made in life was chasing money too much. Regret it every day. On the other hand, enjoying my time has made me happier than I've ever been.

I think you are doing some young guys a disservice. What you say about chasing money is the same shit that gets repeated in schools and colleges, and it's why American culture is so shallow and materialistic.

There is a reason that virtually all of the world's great books, philosophers, authors, etc. have all slammed money and call it a waste of life.

You can chase money all you want, but in the end it owns you. You can do everything to hold on to it, but in the end money has no loyalty to anyone.

Well and truly said, Samulus....

I admire West Coast's spirited comments and think he's a good guy. Like all of us, his opinions reflect his experiences and frame of reference so far in life. I am going to guess wildly here, and speculate that he is in his 20s.

But I am confident that he will find that the opinions he holds now--in his 20s--will be very different from the ones he holds 15 or 20 years from now.

Life holds unexpected and unwanted surprises for us all.

[Brosemite]

It ultimately depends on how people stack their cards career wise, what they've experienced in the past (academically, professionally, socially), and what route they choose as there are many different ways to hook up or make money.

Key is working smart & continuing to learn while making adjustments. One can dedicate an ass load of time trying to make money while falling short considerably by picking the wrong field based on their upbringing while the same can be said for chasing tail.

Good stuff though. Learning a lot.

[WestCoast]

QC I am not sure what age has to do with anything as you can make the assumptions as you see fit... but it makes no sense to be honest.

If I already have the opportunity to live the location independent life (although a player medium version) why is it I am not making the move?

It is all about options.

No doubt you value your free time more as you get older but this also assumes that someone hates their business and or career.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

---

Keeping it on topic?

Game can be learned in 3-6 hours per week over the course of a year or two. You'll bang 10-20 chicks a year.

Sooo what else is there to do. The answer is clear, build a life to help people you care about.

The more successful you become the less game you need.

My experience mirrors reaper where I actually tone it back. I'm more laid back and chill.

"Whattup ya lets grab a drink" if she says no I walk away with a smile on my face every time.

I know my life is sick so if she is dumb enough to say no... Well she must be an idiot!

[soup]

(03-20-2014 02:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

QC I am not sure what age has to do with anything as you can make the assumptions as you see fit... but it makes no sense to be honest.

If I already have the opportunity to live the location independent life (although a player medium version) why is it I am not making the move?

It is all about options.

No doubt you value your free time more as you get older but this also assumes that someone hates their business and or career.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

---

Keeping it on topic?

Game can be learned in 3-6 hours per week over the course of a year or two. You'll bang 10-20 chicks a year.

Sooo what else is there to do. The answer is clear, build a life to help people you care about.

The more successful you become the less game you need.

My experience mirrors reaper where I actually tone it back. I'm more laid back and chill.

"Whattup ya lets grab a drink" if she says no I walk away with a smile on my face every time.

I know my life is sick so if she is dumb enough to say no... Well she must be an idiot!

That's not enough to be banging like a different girl each week.. if that's what you want to do.

I get bored really quick with girls.. I have some high quality ones and some that aren't as attractive, but I'm always getting amped on new pussy it seems.

[Feo]

Why are you so defensively dude? You made your point. Some guys prefer to fuck than spend their time working, maybe it will come around and bite us..maybe not. Who cares

[soup]

(03-20-2014 02:25 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Why are you so defensively dude? You made your point. Some guys prefer to fuck than spend their time working, maybe it will come around and bite us..maybe not. Who cares

Yeah, and you can always just be poor and live on food stamps and medicaid and fuck all the rich guys wives.

Impregnate them with your seed so that your kids will grow up rich..

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-20-2014 02:12 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

QC I am not sure what age has to do with anything as you can make the assumptions as you see fit... but it makes no sense to be honest.

If I already have the opportunity to live the location independent life (although a player medium version) why is it I am not making the move?

It is all about options.

No doubt you value your free time more as you get older but this also assumes that someone hates their business and or career.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

---

Keeping it on topic?

Game can be learned in 3-6 hours per week over the course of a year or two. You'll bang 10-20 chicks a year.

Sooo what else is there to do. The answer is clear, build a life to help people you care about.

____

WC:

I agree with you. I also like your intensity and directness, which blow through these threads like spring-fresh breezes. That kind of passion is important, as life is to be lived, absorbed, digested, and ruminated over.

If you can travel, travel.

If you can rake in huge piles of cash--and keep your soul in the process--do it, by all means.

If you can prong a huge amount of chicks per year, prong away.

If you can live a traveling lifestyle, do it.

Retain your pluck, your combativeness. The world is a joust, WC. You're doing a great job.

All I'm saying is this.

You will eventually see that what once seemed certain, what once seemed definite, will no longer seem so. As time goes by, our permanent truths, our immutable certainties, all eventually dissolve into a receding mist of transitory phantoms. The boundary enclosing the terrain of what we know for certain shrinks steadily with the passage of years.

Even now, I know less and less. My consider my motto now to be, "What do I know?"


-

[WestCoast]

^ ha a spiritual post indeed.

FYI as QC noted I am being direct not defensive.

I've see enough guys make the blunder and never recover.

Anyone reading this post in their late teens early 20s.

"You can all be successful and get chicks"

Just remember success comes first and game is highly over rated. 3-6 hours is more than enough.

[bacan]

Hey WC do you count dates in your 3-6 hours per week? A guy going on two successful dates per week could do double that

[Christian McQueen]

WestCoast: we get it ok? Your Gordon Gekko routine is well known throughout the forum.

I NEVER once said to abandon one developing their lifestyle, so this argument that you keep presenting is off the mark. Waaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark.

All I said for the 900,789,345th time like I said in the original post, is that Lifestyle alone won't cut it.

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want, but your attitude of "check with me in 10 years and we'll see how we're doing" is a slap in the face, because you're completely unaware of others finances.

Why wait 10years WC? Let's compare bank statements today. How ironic would it be if I have as much as you, if not more and I didn't spend my 20's in a cubicle 100 hours a week, but instead made money easier and without sacrificing every living hour of my time?

Just because I don't work 50 hours a week doesn't mean that I don't make good money.

You're making assumptions of a lot of posters on this board who don't obsess over money.

The irony of that is, the only people I know who obsess over money, are those who really don't have much money, or they are so insecure that money defines them.

[WestCoast]

Eh it's fine. I mean your opinion is in the majority on here.

I would happily compare bank statements for the record. You can send me a PM and I'll respond any time of the week. (I know you are bluffing based on our previous interactions anyway)

I clearly can pull out who is rich and who is not.

I quickly rep any successful people on this forum. Go look how many posts in took me to rep anon123? Like two seconds.

I can tell based on typing a persons net worth, race and age with deadly accuracy.

Spending more than 5-6 hours a week to me is insane. Opinion in the minority.

But let the debate continue! Have fun running game 50+ hours a week, no thanks man. Y'all are nuts.

Get a baseline of game, move on to bigger and better things.

[Christian McQueen]

"Have fun running game 50+ hours a week"

^Who advocated that?

I didn't and never would.

I would suggest if a guy wants to become proficient in Game and not take years to get there, to put in a solid 3 nights a week and any opportunities that arise during the day when out and about taking care of one's own shit.

Leaving the gym and spot a cute girl? Run some game.

Having lunch during the work week and your waitress is cute? Run some game.

Want to improve your game in nightlife? A cat should be going out Fri and Sat and another night during the week. That's it.

I don't even go out more than 2, maybe 3x a week now and that's because I enjoy it. It's not for the money, because I haven't promoted since summer, only private hosting for specific clients who spend enough to make it worth my time.

[WestCoast]

^ that is proving my point


All you do is run game in your spare time.

I go to the gym run game if I see a cute girl
I get food run game there
I go out once a week because I am always invited out by the promoter in my city (never paid a dime)
I have a few regulars

Going out of your way to chase tail = waste of time.

So clearly the answer is game is highly over valued. You just do approaches any time you see someone attractive.

So game is a highly over valued skill that anyone can learn in their day to day lives.

[soup]

(03-20-2014 02:52 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Eh it's fine. I mean your opinion is in the majority on here.

I would happily compare bank statements for the record. You can send me a PM and I'll respond any time of the week. (I know you are bluffing based on our previous interactions anyway)

I clearly can pull out who is rich and who is not.

I quickly rep any successful people on this forum. Go look how many posts in took me to rep anon123? Like two seconds.

I can tell based on typing a persons net worth, race and age with deadly accuracy.

Spending more than 5-6 hours a week to me is insane. Opinion in the minority.

But let the debate continue! Have fun running game 50+ hours a week, no thanks man. Y'all are nuts.

Get a baseline of game, move on to bigger and better things.

Some of us make money from being cool (game) along with other things. Game is actually necessary for a lot of musicians because vibe is such an important part of our business.

For, me I'm on game usually 24/7.

I don't turn it off and go to my day job, because my day job has a lot to do with being a hot guy.

[WestCoast]

Everyone knows you need game soup. A baseline of game takes no time to obtain. If the point of the post is "everyone needs some game" isn't that an obvious "okay and?".

The point is how can you learn game and not fuck up your life. The answer is just build a career/business and game on the side.

Unless it is your job, taking game seriously = beta and retarded.

---

If the point really is "everyone needs some game" isn't that pretty much 2004 data?

Everyone knows you need normal functioning social skills come on guys.

[Avon Barksdale]

Didn't roosh write an article saying how you should not view money as the end, but as a means to an end

Also WC how is taking game seriously beta and retarded?

[Christian McQueen]

Quoting you WC:

"yes you need "game" but really do you need it? My experience is not at all."

Then just now...

"Everyone knows you need game soup"

So which is it?