[Brisey]

(02-17-2014 04:04 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

No digital copy available?

Not for the moment, perhaps later in the year:

Quote:

"The final release schedule is subject to change but for now I expect it’ll look like this:
1. Limited hardcover release to London daygamers, late January
2. Hardcover international release early February via online ordering system
3. Softcover international release early April
4. Kindle release Q3 2014. This will only happen if I’m satisfied with anti-piracy controls and a successful paper launch."

[Benoit]

I bought the hardback, picked up a lot from Krauser over the years and wanted to give something back. Only had a quick scan through but there's a lot of practical advice and examples.


I really think he's off base with the piracy concerns, bought a paperback copy of his last book and ended up downloading a scanned PDF version to actually read. Not having a digital edition means no potential for digital sales.

But I respect that it's his content and his choice to do so.

Without putting words in his mouth he probably thinks the book would be wasted on the vast majority of people who aren't willing to commit that amount of cash.

[Stun]

(02-16-2014 07:17 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

Quote:

"The final release schedule is subject to change but for now I expect it’ll look like this:
1. Limited hardcover release to London daygamers, late January
2. Hardcover international release early February via online ordering system
3. Softcover international release early April
4. Kindle release Q3 2014. This will only happen if I’m satisfied with anti-piracy controls and a successful paper launch."

taken from his blog.

I like Krauser, but it's a bone-headed strategy. Someone will just scan the book and put it up online. Especially at that price. It's been done with every book worth reading.

[bojangles]

I think he's priced it right, considering the amount of information and value in this, I think it'll be a long time before anyone delivers such daygame material packed into one book. I recommend it to those who can afford it, his market is aimed at those who've done a lot of daygame approaches so that will probably be quite a few older gentleman.

And as always someone will ask have I got laid from it, I've got laid from his previous book in numerous countries around Europe, I trust his new book will do the same.

[WanderingSoul]

A lot of people worry about their products being pirated, but I'm of the opinion it's a big help for sales. I'd bet most of the guys here who bought Krausers book would have spent the money and bought it anyways, as opposed to torrenting it.

However, the rest of us who are interested in the book, but no where near interested enough to buy it would definitely read it if a torrent was available. Then in return Krauser would have a while forum of guys hyping his book up and writing reviews about it, talking about it on forums, blogs. Etc. I think it ends up being a net positive.

I see it happen a lot in the bjj instructional market. There are guys who buy instructionals, and guys who torrent them. What ends up happening is thousands of people who probably would have never bought a certain instructional end up torrenting it, and hyping it on the bjj forums. When newbies come in reading threads, doing Google searches for reviews, and asking questions, they get.bombarded with people saying how great the DVD is. Thousands of people will see this and they end up making a shit load of additional sales due to having so many defacto sales people. Especially with really niche instructionals like Ryan Halls stuff that is interesting to a lot of people, but don't play his style enough to justify dropping two bills.

I torrent 95% of my bjj instructionals, because I'm not interested in most of them enough to shell out the $100-$200 per set. However, I have bought a few sets from people I wanted to support that were priced reasonably. I could have torrented them, but I wanted to support them, and the sets had glowing reviews, probably from a lot of people who torrented them lol.

I'll probably never buy a $100 daygame book. I could afford it, as everyone here could if they really wanted it, but I think I can get a lot more value for my $100 elsewhere based on ny interests right now. However, I am interested in it enough to torrent it, and then if people come asking about it, I'd be one of the many who did to give it the reviews and lip service it deserves. If the book was a $9 kindle book, I'd have bought it already. I may have bought it as a $15-20 kindle book.

Interesting stuff to me. I'd love to see some studies on how torrenting and price point affects sales on info products and books. I wonder if it helps them like I suspect, or if they lose out on more sales than they gain?

[Teedub]

^

Yeah but it's a one-off $100 as opposed to $10 here, $30 there and so on. You just buy this one daygame book and you don't need to get anymore ever again.

[Ensam]

(02-17-2014 08:54 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yeah but it's a one-off $100 as opposed to $10 here, $30 there and so on. You just buy this one daygame book and you don't need to get anymore ever again.

Only if it works for you. No book works for everybody. If you're familiar with Krauser's writing and know he speaks to you then great, I think it makes sense to drop $100 if you can afford it. But if you're not as familiar with him then it's a big risk. My guess is he's engaging in a bit of market segmentation. Charge $100 for a hardcover and the dudes who love your stuff will pay for it happily, then in a few months release a paperback for $20-30 and guys who heard how awesome the hardcover was will drop that no problem. Then a few months later release the e-book for $5-15 and get all the impulse buys. At that point it doesn't matter so much if it gets pirated because everybody who was willing to pay for a copy already has.

[TheBulldozer]

(02-17-2014 07:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

A lot of people worry about their products being pirated, but I'm of the opinion it's a big help for sales.

Couldn't agree more.

Sorry Roosh, my first exposure to you was reading a pirated version of Bang.

The key is, I found his writing to be useful so I went and back and bought every one of his books, including Bang.

[worldwidetraveler]

The price of the book doesn't matter, at least to me.

If this book is as big and packed with info as some say, I bet the time alone to duplicate the knowledge, through experience, will be far greater than the $100.

I am interested in how much time it will save me and to me it sounds like a good deal.

[michelin]

For a book it is not cheap, maybe the paperback will be cheaper.

In any case a bootcamp costs five or six time the price, which is outrageous compared to a fat book.

Let's hope krauser (who is also on RVF) adds some comments to this thread anytime soon. Lots of respect to him because he's not a self-promoting PUA like some others who use RVF to market their stuff.

[Aliblahba]

   


WTF is a lifestyle residential?

   

There's a lot of 'top' daygamers here on the forum that don't have it. I think you can save your money and learn 100x more for $100 less by meeting up with heavy hitters on the forum and cutting through the bullshit.

[aphelion]

(02-17-2014 07:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

A lot of people worry about their products being pirated, but I'm of the opinion it's a big help for sales. I'd bet most of the guys here who bought Krausers book would have spent the money and bought it anyways, as opposed to torrenting it.

However, the rest of us who are interested in the book, but no where near interested enough to buy it would definitely read it if a torrent was available. Then in return Krauser would have a while forum of guys hyping his book up and writing reviews about it, talking about it on forums, blogs. Etc. I think it ends up being a net positive.

I see it happen a lot in the bjj instructional market. There are guys who buy instructionals, and guys who torrent them. What ends up happening is thousands of people who probably would have never bought a certain instructional end up torrenting it, and hyping it on the bjj forums. When newbies come in reading threads, doing Google searches for reviews, and asking questions, they get.bombarded with people saying how great the DVD is. Thousands of people will see this and they end up making a shit load of additional sales due to having so many defacto sales people. Especially with really niche instructionals like Ryan Halls stuff that is interesting to a lot of people, but don't play his style enough to justify dropping two bills.

I torrent 95% of my bjj instructionals, because I'm not interested in most of them enough to shell out the $100-$200 per set. However, I have bought a few sets from people I wanted to support that were priced reasonably. I could have torrented them, but I wanted to support them, and the sets had glowing reviews, probably from a lot of people who torrented them lol.

I'll probably never buy a $100 daygame book. I could afford it, as everyone here could if they really wanted it, but I think I can get a lot more value for my $100 elsewhere based on ny interests right now. However, I am interested in it enough to torrent it, and then if people come asking about it, I'd be one of the many who did to give it the reviews and lip service it deserves. If the book was a $9 kindle book, I'd have bought it already. I may have bought it as a $15-20 kindle book.

Interesting stuff to me. I'd love to see some studies on how torrenting and price point affects sales on info products and books. I wonder if it helps them like I suspect, or if they lose out on more sales than they gain?

Piracy is less of a concern for Roosh than it is for Krauser. Roosh has a dozen or so books for bargain basement prices. If Kid PUA and his nine lair friends torrent Bang, maybe seven of them don't read it much, two of them read it and get some utility out of it, and Kid PUA reads it and becomes a big fan. Now Kid PUA has 14 more Roosh books he can buy, and he'll probably end up with a legitimate copy of it by buying one of Roosh's ubiquitous combo packs anyway. I know I've bought multiple copies of Bang Poland at least, and probably some others as well, just through combo pack sales.

Worst case scenario, if it works out like this, Roosh basically 'invested' 9 digital copies of Bang in order for Kid PUA buying his entire library. Not completely ideal, but better a bird in the hand than two in the bush, and maybe Kid PUA and his friends will give good reviews.

Now if Kid PUA and his friends torrent Krauser's book, well, Krauser doesn't have a large library of books to buy from. So they're likely one-and-done with Krauser's library, and Krauser won't ever see a dime. So Krauser's only recourse in this case is if Kid PUA's friends strongly evangelize the book and effectuate some actual sales that wouldn't have otherwise happened, and that's both unlikely and untrackable anyhow. (You'd have to be kind of daft to admit to pirating a $100 book openly.)

[soup]

It would be cool if he could sell chunks of it for cheaper- like chapters/serials.

Then a guy could read it and see if he wanted to buy the whole thing.

If it's a magnetic read, then it will be hard for it not to sell in it's entirety.

Almost everything I've read by Krauser is great. There are a lot of heady concepts to take in at times, but very interesting stuff if not extremely useful.

---

In the future, we are going to need filters because there is going to be so much knowledge accumulated, that no guy will have time to take everything in.

Krauser is kind of like that. He's good at articulating all of this stuff.

[Roosh]

I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure.

[Aliblahba]

Krauser didn't start getting laid till last year. From the timeline I'd consider him an amateur at best. There's guys here on the forum that was getting the same #'s and better quality in their late teens, early 20's. "Game" is a skill. Like the gym, dudes just don't jump into it and be in beast mode in a year or so. PUA's get their dick wet one time and gotta write a book about it. That doesn't mean they are the scholars of trim. They get into it way too late, and will never be able to break some of those lifelong beta habits. You can see it in his body language on Youtube vids.

[Christian McQueen]

"I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure."

^Is there any recourse authors can take to diminish pirating?

If someone is too cheap to spend $15-20 on a book that can change their life, then they have larger issues than not being able to pick up chicks.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2014 07:21 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I still don't know how I'm selling so many books even though they're being pirated everywhere. It's possible I'd sell more with no piracy, but there's no way to know for sure.

I think most people who pirate stuff wouldn't be purchasing anyway. I bet the really low price of your books makes the sale a no brainer for most people while, as you can see, the price being higher has people wondering if it is a good investment.

You got big companies like Adobe and Microsoft who has their stuff pirated all over the place. There is no way around it and the harder you make it for legit customers the less sales.

It's best to concentrate on the real customers at the end of the day.

I have people pirating my software and I don't lose any sleep. I make it just difficult enough for the average user to pirate it but know the hackers will always find a way. People will scan Krausers book if they really want to pirate it.

[Krauser]

(02-17-2014 07:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Krauser didn't start getting laid till last year. etc....

That's just fucking stupid.

But yeah, any proper questions? Put them in this thread and I'll give it a go.

[Aliblahba]

(02-17-2014 07:36 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 07:24 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Krauser didn't start getting laid till last year. etc....

That's just fucking stupid.

But yeah, any proper questions? Put them in this thread and I'll give it a go.

   

[Stun]

(02-17-2014 06:34 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

The price of the book doesn't matter, at least to me.

If this book is as big and packed with info as some say, I bet the time alone to duplicate the knowledge, through experience, will be far greater than the $100.

I am interested in how much time it will save me and to me it sounds like a good deal.

That's a false analogy, in the sense that (at least IMO from 3+ years of cold approaching) you can't learn from a book what you can learn from experience in terms of approaching women.

But you may learn something from it nonetheless. For many of us $100 is only a drop in the bucket, in that sense if you want the book buy it, you'd be a fool not to.

[MikeCF]

Ali, stop trolling Krauser.

It's obvious and pathetic.

[Aliblahba]

(02-17-2014 08:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Ali, stop trolling Krauser.

It's obvious and pathetic.

I think its ridiculous the guy is selling a hundred dollar book where in a community is outclassed. I watch the video he has on Youtube and sees he's nowhere near Elmech, Fisto, JohnKreese, ect. The difference is we meetup and help each other out au gratis. I wonder how much Krauser is charging to show up at your house for a week? This self promoting is killing the forum.

edit- I should have guessed.

http://dangerandplay.com/blogroll/

[MikeCF]

You've been a hateful little guy lately.

Has your life gone south?

Krauser is as legit as they come. He was posting "proof of lay" videos years ago before the creeps and stalkers and white knights made that impossible to do.

You're out of your element here.

[Aliblahba]

I'm probably out of my element. If any of the young cats want my advice on the book, shoot me a PM. I'll stay off this thread.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2014 08:15 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

That's a false analogy, in the sense that (at least IMO from 3+ years of cold approaching) you can't learn from a book what you can learn from experience in terms of approaching women.

Nope, I think you have it wrong.

For example, I read a ton of sales books and implemented what I learned from those sales books. I wouldn't have had a clue as to what to even try out if it wasn't for the money I spent on those books. Those books saved me a lot of time and this would be the same type of thing.

Learning how people are doing things differently can be an immense help either in sales, pickup, making money, etc... Look at all the guys that are helped on this forum. It is still text on a page.

I spent money and will continue to spend money to help me speed along the learning curve. I couldn't fathom reading a book and not learning something from it.