Quote: (12-06-2013 08:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:
The BBC posted this article today about how linguistic studies are confirming what we RVF members have been saying for a long time: society is becoming increasingly feminized:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25232387
More men are adopting "chick-like" speech intonations, especially those annoying rising intonations at the end of sentences. My questions:
1. As more and more men become feminized and adopt feminine traits, what does this mean for game? Will beta become the new alpha?
It means that GAME is going to be even more necessary, and effective. It will need to be tailored specifically to individual situations obviously.
2. Is "beta bait" game the wave of the future?
Obviously not. This is like saying that if all the women in the world got tiny boobs and a flat ass, is flat-ass game gonna work?
No. Specific masculine traits such as dominance, purpose, tempered aggressiveness etc will still turn women on. Game will change, and how you display these purported Alpha characteristics will change. But considering that the female hamster has the full backing of the state and hypergamy has not been shamed(and even encouraged, at times) in all of its gore and glory, beta bait behavior will not work on a majority of populace.
3. Will women be increasingly attracted to men who display "feminine" traits, in contrast to traditional game teachings?
See, game will always evolve, because people and demographics change.
If all the men in the world had stellar game, then none of them would have game, so to speak.
The basic tenets of game will remain the same, but the manner in which they are expressed and how women and other men will react to them will actually determine whether "traditional" game teachings will be contrasted.
That being said, the MASSIVE emasculation of men and masculization of women may reach a tipping point, beyond which, sure, manly women may start going out with(and happily dominating) herbs, manginas and men who display feminine traits. But they will always, always want to be dominated by a powerful man,no matter how conditioned they are to believe that all men are whipping boys.
This is an intriguing question. I got an email a few days ago from a Brazilian friend who lives near Sao Paolo. He says he's becoming increasingly disturbed by signs that women seem to be drawn to men who show feminine characteristics, like passivity, cattiness, gossiping, etc.
That's quite alright.
Two biases here --
1-- Once you realize something(specially if its an "Aha!" moment), you start noticing that more often in your environment. That does not necessarily mean that it is happening more often, just that you're noticing more of what you were originally oblivious to.
2-- Women are drawn,not to men who show those characteristics, but specifically to the characteristics themselves. Most women in the world give in to cattiness and gossiping, and if unchecked and given freedom from judgement, will bring out their claws.
Being catty and gossiping WILL make them happy, and women are more influenced by mood and emotion then they are by logic,reason and a self-created purpose.
Also, specifically about guys adopting female speech patterns, that's in large part due to the mirroring effect isn't it?
Why do couples who have been together for a long time start sounding, thinking (and hell, even LOOKING) similar?
We pick up traits, mannerisms, speech patterns from people around us.
Given the internet and television, the massive feminizing culture(all the time harping about the big,bad Patriarchy) rampant on TV and the internet, the easy way of pedestalising the woman and not having a spine(because standing up and having contrary opinions to the tribe IS, in the beginning, an unsavory thing), its no wonder that men are adopting mannerisms that are inherently feminine.
Also because of a lack of(or at least, not enough accessibility to) Male Role Models
Most men know what it is to be a Man, it is embedded deep inside the psyche. But the current anti-male culture, a distinct lack of self-awareness, the omnipresence of porn and almost ZERO challenge in daily life has the effect of keeping the masculine tendencies deep, deep inside.
You'll notice that men who have had to scruff and fight and claw their way through life are definitely more manly.
Challenge, and suffering are
vital to growth, and given the sheltered lives of a lot of these males, they are not much more than sheep, following each other in circles.
To the extent of adopting female speech patterns, and eventually behavioral and thought patterns as well.
But there will always be pain, suffering and the innate human drive for survival.
So alphas will always be born, forged, and conquer.
And game will always be there, if only in different forms.
Alpha is, ultimately, a state of mind.
There have always been effeminate alphas, over-the-top dominating alphas, uncaring alphas, wicked sadistic alphas, weird alphas, charming alphas, chivalrous alphas.
The problem with men adopting female speech patterns is that over time, these men will start changing their way of thinking (a reverse "Fake it till you make it"), and that will become a major problem.