[Peregrine]

I've had the unpleasant and unfortunate experience of meeting most of the individuals in that video.

[Saladin]

(12-08-2013 01:08 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:34 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 07:59 AM)j r Wrote:  

DC is ground zero for this type of shit. When I first moved here, I thought every third dude I was meeting was gay. I had to completely recalibrate my gaydar.

Matt Yglesias is the poster boy.

I shit you not, that is a manlier voice than the average Torontonian male.

You don't even be lying at alll......

I don't think the brown dude was that bad.

But yeah the white guy, his lack of masculinity and the soft look in his eyes...

U of T is extremely nerdy, its full of beta males. Some cool guys, but they are the exception.

I was once in their engineering building.... that was a cockfest on par with India.

[la_mode]

Nerdy voice skews gay, but doesn't necessarily sound gay in my opinion. They do overlap a bit, but not quite the same.

[Feisbook Control]

(12-07-2013 12:02 AM)Hitman Wrote:  

What the f^ck is uptalk?

[RXB]

No offense, but I think girls really love masculinity now.

My friends and I all have fairly traditional male activities, like playing sports and shooting guns, and girls love it.

Where I live their are a lot of effeminate dudes, my crew and I act like the traditional "bros" feminists always rag on.

At the end of the night the effeminate guys go home alone, my team doesn't.

[Mercenary]

Tone and speed of male speaking are also changing rapidly.

Many guys today talk really fast, instead of speaking slow and with few words. Think of an actor like Clint Eastwood in any of his 1960s western films...do we find guys like that speak like that naturally anywhere today ?

Also, men with deep voices are also becoming a rarity. Watch any film made between 1940 and 1965 and listen to the tone of the male actors speaking. Totally different from today.

It all has to do with testosterone levels going down, down, down, due to bad water, bad food, toxic environment, too much sugar in everything, weight gain, lack of exercise, excessive medication, abundance of endless pornography, excessive masturbation, lack of healthy relationships with women, and overall bad habits and lifestyle.

[EDantes]

(12-06-2013 08:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

The BBC posted this article today about how linguistic studies are confirming what we RVF members have been saying for a long time: society is becoming increasingly feminized:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25232387

More men are adopting "chick-like" speech intonations, especially those annoying rising intonations at the end of sentences. My questions:

1. As more and more men become feminized and adopt feminine traits, what does this mean for game? Will beta become the new alpha?

2. Is "beta bait" game the wave of the future?

3. Will women be increasingly attracted to men who display "feminine" traits, in contrast to traditional game teachings?

This is an intriguing question. I got an email a few days ago from a Brazilian friend who lives near Sao Paolo. He says he's becoming increasingly disturbed by signs that women seem to be drawn to men who show feminine characteristics, like passivity, cattiness, gossiping, etc.

It's probably not intentional, more just the subconscious result of men growing up without fathers and being raised by single moms and subconsciously imitating their speech patterns and body language. Not to mention men in white collar jobs and college being around women more and isolated from male interaction.

Same with 'beta provider' husbands who completely shut out their entire male social life when they get hitched and spend the majority of their time around their domineering wife.

[debeguiled]

Don't forget the influence of the internet. How many people are just imitating how their favorite Youtube stars talk.

Whole article in the Atlantic about Youtube Voice:

The Linguistics of Youtube Voice

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Hey guys! What’s up? It’s Julie. And today I want to talk about YouTube voice.

So the other day, I was watching this YouTube video from the PBS Idea Channel about whether Ron Weasley from Harry Potter is really a time-traveling Dumbledore (as you do), and I realized—the guy talking sounds exactly like the Vlogbrothers. The Vlogbrothers are John and Hank Green, and their combined YouTube channel, on which they post videos of themselves musing on and explaining everything from world politics to farts, has more than 2 million subscribers.

And the guy in the PBS Ronbledore video—Mike Rugnetta—was talking just like the Green brothers do. It wasn’t a matter of their accents, or the sound of their voices, it was the way they were talking. The only word that came to mind was … bouncy.

I found more examples in other popular YouTube channels. Tyler Oakley does it. Franchesca Ramsey does it. Hannah Hart of My Drunk Kitchen does it (when she’s not drinking, or using weird voices). This Game of Thrones fan-theory guy does it.

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But I had a hard time putting my finger on exactly what “it” was, beyond a vague sense of similarity. So I asked a linguist.

Naomi Baron is a professor of linguistics at American University who studies electronically mediated communication. She watched some videos that I sent her, and was very patient with my continued pleas of, “No, but I feel like something is going on here.” And so here, thanks to Baron, are the linguistic components of YouTube voice:

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Overstressed vowels: A lot of the time, people are lazy about pronouncing certain vowels—they’re un-emphasized and neutral, and just sort of hang loosely in the middle of the mouth, making an “euh” sound, regardless of which vowel it actually is. This “euh” is called the schwa. (Hear it pronounced here.) When you make the effort to actually pronounce a vowel that is usually a schwa, that’s a way of emphasizing the word. For example: “If I say the word ‘exactly,’ you don’t really know what that first vowel is. ‘Euh,’” Baron says. “If I say ‘eh-xactly,’ you have the sound ‘eh,’ like in the word ‘bet.’”

Sneaky extra vowels between consonants: Listen to the way Rugnetta says “trapping” at 35 seconds here. “Terraping.” “I’ve added a little vowel between the t and the r,” Baron says. “It elongates the word, it adds an extra syllable to the word, it emphasizes the word. There’s a name for this: epenthetic vowel.”

Long vowels: Stretching out vowels is a common way of emphasizing words—sometimes it’s obvious, and clearly done on purpose (listen to the word “five” in this Franchesca Ramsey video). But sometimes in these videos the vowels are just sliiightly longer than normal (see what I did there?), resulting in the kind of emphasis and “bounce” I wasn’t able to put my finger on until Baron pointed it out to me. (See: every time Rugnetta says “magic,” or when Ryan Higa says “channel.”)

For that matter, long consonants as well: Especially those at the beginning of words. Take the word “fascinatingly” from this Vlogbrothers video as an example.


Aspiration: This was the part of our phone call where things got interactive.

“If you put your finger in front of your mouth, I'll teach you a very quick phonology lesson,” Baron said. I did. “Are you ready? Say ‘keep.’”

“Keep.”

“Now say ‘geep.’”

“Geep.”

“When you said keep, did you feel a breath of air on your finger?” She asked. (Indeed I did.) “That’s called an aspiration.” There’s normally an aspiration on the K, even if you say it normally, but if you huff and puff a little more, that makes the word stand out.

For an extreme example, see how Hank Green says “couldn’t care less.” A more subtle example is how Australian vlogger Natalie Tran says “fake” and “sick.” You hear this sometimes with “p” and “t” sounds, too. Like when Charlie McDonnell says “salt.”

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So it turns out the “YouTube voice” is just a variety of ways of emphasizing words, none of which are actually exclusive to YouTube—people employ these devices in speech all the time. But they generally do it to grab the listener’s attention, and when you’re just talking to a camera without much action, it takes a little more to get, and keep, that attention.

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Another linguist, Mark Liberman of the University of Pennsylvania, who runs the Language Log blog, called it “intellectual used-car-salesman voice.”

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What’s interesting is how similar people end up sounding, rather than sounding like themselves. In an attempt to make yourself sound special, you end up sounding like this whole genre of other people.

So what we got is up talking, high pitched, bouncy used car salesmen building unique brands that sound like every other brand.