[Shotgun Styles]

This post is more for ongoing interludes that for the ONS only crowd. If you're doing minis, building a harem, or just have a FWB situation, this is more for you.

A woman should be nice and she should behave. Feel free to establish this early on, once your value to her has been established. Being direct and assertive, drawing lines early, will prevent future mishaps. Like a dog, you must train a woman not to pee on the carpet when you first get her. Wait until she's already started and you'll be shampooing stink out of the floors until the little bitch goes back to the pound.

Guys tend to get a little caught up when they get a hot one. Too tolerant of bad behavior, particularly if she's good in the sack. But looks really have no value. Her looks won't improve YOUR quality of life unless you can enjoy them in peace. So as tempting as it may be to let her get away with a little of this or a little of that, slam the brakes on her ass. Believe it or not, it WILL make her more hot for you.

Women want a man with inherent value, but won't value him if he doesn't value himself. If she doesn't think he's willing to walk a way the second she acts a fool. The door is a POWERFUL weapon, and the reason you never really need to hit a woman to control her. She the second she steps out of line, correct her. If she resists: door. Use it, or put her though it (the doorway not the wood, tough guy). She'll typically try to resist more, but the conversation is already over. Door.

And the key is: not to give a fuck. She's not "the one". None of them are. "Yeah but Shotgun, what if she doesn't call?" She will. You've shown strength and woman love that. Not physical strength, which is overrated, but mental toughness which is a rare trait that all women, on some level, crave. Happy women are submissive by nature. You show me a miserable woman and I'll show you a woman trying to run shit. When they let go, and let you, you'll see the happiness come over them. It makes them feel safe with you, and the instinct to seek security is found in ALL female social mammals.

"Yeah, but what if she really doesn't call, Shotgun?" Then fuck her. If you're on this board you know the world is full of bitches that are hotter and nicer than her. Let someone else put up with her bullshit. You're a man and you plain old fashioned don't have to take that shit off her or anyone else. If a woman doesn't IMPROVE your quality of life then she is worthless to you. And looks alone do nothing for your peace of mind.

[Suits]

Welcome to the forum.

[Shotgun Styles]

(12-05-2013 11:51 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Welcome to the forum.

Thank you sir. And my I say I read you often.

[WestIndianArchie]

You're not the only influence on her behavior.
In addition to her whoremones driving her crazy, she's got her friends, family, co-workers, society and "culture" telling her that she needs to X,Y, and Z in order to be happy.

On top of that, you've got betas around her offering the world, and Alphas looking to add to their own harem.

Since you are providing the order and stability in her life, it's only natural for her to look to you to provide these new things that she wants. Because providing hard dick and emotional stability is not enough. They get used to it, rely on it, assume it will always be there if they stay within the lines. They always want more, and more, and more. Meanwhile, you're getting less and less, and getting used to the stability.

It's like after you train an employee and shift more work to them. It's a godsend in that it frees up your time to do more important tasks, but now you're also dependent on them, when their only incentive is the paycheck and benefits. You know damn well their best foot forward was during the interview, and whether or not they work hard day to day isn't ensured by that direct deposit every 2 weeks.

To me, that's the cost of caring, of maintaining a "relationship", even if the relationship only serves you.

Constant vigilance is required because you will be constantly tested.

Patrice O'Neal talked about this with his girl. She did something, and he had to check her on it. And her reaction was like, "Good, I'm glad you didn't let me get away with it." She regularly tested him and tested the boundaries of the relationship, and Patrice was a man from the old school, who'd used his verbal skills and understanding of a woman's psychology to find himself in pussy that "objectively" he should not have been in.

It's like making a mountain of money, and then having to hire lawyers to watch lawyers so you don't go broke. © Biggie.

It's not a simple as Blue's Clues, if you truly care about the outcome.

WIA

[Shotgun Styles]

Archie:

I get you. Eternal vigilance is the price of victory. And again, you can slam a girls brakes just as hard on month 2 as you did on date 2.

As far as the law of diminishing returns, you don't have to keep a bitch that long. Once she's outlived her usefulness, once she's no longer improving your quality of live but draining it, fire her ass. You don't need any kind of suck on your life. Not a job, not a woman, not the city you live in.

The theme of this forum is: you CAN change shit when it ain't working. We deserve better, Returning as Kings, so to speak. So as soon as she becomes not worth her place at the table, she's gone.

My father's an engineer. He had this plaque on his desk: "If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, you needed a new one anyway."

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-06-2013 12:17 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Archie:

I get you. Eternal vigilance is the price of victory. And again, you can slam a girls brakes just as hard on month 2 as you did on date 2.

As far as the law of diminishing returns, you don't have to keep a bitch that long. Once she's outlived her usefulness, once she's no longer improving your quality of live but draining it, fire her ass. You don't need any kind of suck on your life. Not a job, not a woman, not the city you live in.

The theme of this forum is: you CAN change shit when it ain't working. We deserve better, Returning as Kings, so to speak. So as soon as she becomes not worth her place at the table, she's gone.

My father's an engineer. He had this plaque on his desk: "If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, you needed a new one anyway."

Salute comrade!

Keep dropping the science.

WIA.

[Travesty]

(12-05-2013 11:51 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Welcome to the forum.

Ditto Shotgun, welcome to the forum.

[Shotgun Styles]

Cheers gents.

[icefire57]

Agreed. Her behavior will also dictate where she falls on your list of chicks - aka has she earned her stripes to be the number one/two chick, or is she just fighting to get on the team.

[Brosemite]

If a girl had the right behavior & her shit together, then she wouldn't be fat or weird for starters....

[The Beast1]

I like that phrase. if it doesn't fit, force it. if it breaks you probably needed a new one anyway.

Textual gold!

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I agree, but the title is a bit misleading.

The woman's behaviour is very important, but only because at least average (i.e. boner-inspiring) looks are assumed. If they are not there, no amount of behaviour will be able to increase her value to a reasonable level.

Of course, once upon a time, 90% of women were at least boner-inspiring simply by existing, but now with the epidemic of obesity, tattoos, Skrillex and similar shit, the number might be as low as 50%. Trying to find a woman with a great character in such a sharply reduced pool of candidates can be like trying to find a needle in the haystack.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(12-06-2013 01:34 AM)icefire57 Wrote:  

Agreed. Her behavior will also dictate where she falls on your list of chicks - aka has she earned her stripes to be the number one/two chick, or is she just fighting to get on the team.

So true, I use the sports team analogy a lot when I'm chopping it up with my homies. There are SO many parellels; Except there are no GUARANTEED long contracts in this Game.

Every chick must earn her keep and keep making the "team" week after week, month after month, and year after year. There are certain requirements in keeping your roster spot. Just like in the Capitalism frame, competition is healthy. It reinforces the need for her to stay on her P's and Q's & quite frankly let's her know that she IS replaceable if her "performance" doesn't improve. NOW...which in turn sharpens her skills to ward off the up and comers (other prospects)

[soup]

Very good thread. I agree that you can't give a hotter girl any leeway. Vigilance is key. It's like the shark who will die if he doesn't keep moving.

The problem with game is you can't rest in your laurels. This is especially true with the more attractive girls that you wouldn't have been able to snag without game.

Sometimes it's as if the game is alive. What's you take it on, it wants you to keep giving it energy.

[scorpion]

The door really is underrated as a behavioral correction mechanism. I've kicked a few girls out, and after that they were much more conciliatory.

I think it's just something that's never happened to 99% of attractive women. A guy telling them to get the fuck out of his presence is totally alien to them. It's a massive DHV. I mean, who the fuck banishes someone from his presence? That's like king or emperor game right there. Old school.

Praise for the:

[Shotgun Styles]

(12-06-2013 04:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I think it's just something that's never happened to 99% of attractive women. A guy telling them to get the fuck out of his presence is totally alien to them. It's a massive DHV.

This. Exactly this is why it works so well. The shock and awe effect of losing makes them want to get back in the win column. And the only way she gets to win is to behave. If she doesn't, she always loses.

Dolphins and monkeys are trained in exactly this fashion.

[rudebwoy]

Shotgun Styles - welcome to the forum and keep dropping knowledge.

[roid]

Technically a woman's value is her beauty, not her behavior. And you cannot change that no matter what. If a hot bitch is rude towards me, I would still want to bang her because she has value (her beauty). I may not necessarily stay long term with her, but for a short term sex adventure, why not? Sometimes I think people here have disconnect with reality.

[soup]

(12-06-2013 04:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

The door really is underrated as a behavioral correction mechanism. I've kicked a few girls out, and after that they were much more conciliatory.

I think it's just something that's never happened to 99% of attractive women. A guy telling them to get the fuck out of his presence is totally alien to them. It's a massive DHV. I mean, who the fuck banishes someone from his presence? That's like king or emperor game right there. Old school.

Praise for the:

Break it down.

How do you do it?

"Get out!"

or

"I think it's time for you to go."

or

"I got some work to do.."

[Shotgun Styles]

(12-07-2013 03:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

Break it down.

How do you do it?

"Get out!"

Never, ever, yell. You get angry, she's gotten to you. She wins. The best way to get a woman who's trying to get under your skin is to remain calm at all times.

A woman must always feel that she needs to earn the right to be in your presence. If you're emotional about her then she can feel your neediness. Jerry McGuire kid says dogs and bees can smell fear. Women can smell weakness. Show emotion and give her warmth ONLY when she behaves. When she does not, respond with surgical coldness.

(12-07-2013 03:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

"I got some work to do.."

Be direct. Obfuscating is passive-aggressive (i.e. female behavior). The strongest men are assertive, not aggressive or passive. Always strong, but under control. You want to look her in the eye when you tell her to leave so she KNOWS she fucked up. She may not understand why, but this is NOT the time to explain it to her. She has incurred a debt that must be paid immediately. Her curiosity will draw her back to you.

(12-07-2013 03:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

"I think it's time for you to go."

This. Calm, composed, emotionless. The hammer drops without passion or prejudice, but sure as the Devil's forked tongue, it does drop.

A side note: it does not matter if she's right. She may well have a legitimate gripe. Maybe she caught you in a lie or you didn't do something promised. Doesn't matter. If she doesn't address it with you in the most respectful way, door. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts". She needs to leave the instant she doesn't she doesn't show full respect for your manhood or shows the slightest hint of crazy.

And crazy gets an instant and permanent lifetime ban no matter how hot the chick or the sex. The way crazy traps you is the sex is magnificent. Impossibly, pornographically, sodomistically so. Crazy gets the hatchet ASAP because crazy is malignant. It metastasizes and never ever goes into full remission. Fire crazy on the spot.

[The Beast1]

(12-06-2013 04:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

The door really is underrated as a behavioral correction mechanism. I've kicked a few girls out, and after that they were much more conciliatory.

I think it's just something that's never happened to 99% of attractive women. A guy telling them to get the fuck out of his presence is totally alien to them. It's a massive DHV. I mean, who the fuck banishes someone from his presence? That's like king or emperor game right there. Old school.

Praise for the:

The door is the ultimate tool. I've had to physically remove a girl once from my apartment. She wouldn't leave so I picked her up, walked out the door, and put her on the sidewalk.

I've told girls that if they don't like it, the door is right there.

[scorpion]

(12-07-2013 03:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

Break it down.

How do you do it?

"Get out!"

or

"I think it's time for you to go."

or

"I got some work to do.."

One girl I had been banging for a few weeks thought it would be cute to come over and intentionally deny me sex. It was obvious she just wanted to see if she could control me. I told her to get the fuck out of my house if she was going to play games like that. She was like, "Oh haha come on." Then I grabbed her and started walking her to the door. She was like, "Wait, are you serious? What the hell?" As I opened the door and pushed her out she told me I'm a fucking asshole, then texted me the same for like an hour.

She came over a few days later and didn't play games, and I saw her for a few more months after that and she never pulled a stunt like that again.

Another girl had just done something to piss me off when she was all drunk so I told her to leave. She didn't think I was serious at first, either, so I eventually had to start yelling and physically move her out the door. She was also much more compliant the next time I saw her.

But basically, yeah, it's as easy as, "Get the fuck out." Physically shoving them out the door and slamming it in their face is a big bonus as well. Beware if the girl is crazy she might throw shit through your window or fuck with your car though.

[Aliblahba]

(12-06-2013 04:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

The door really is underrated as a behavioral correction mechanism. I've kicked a few girls out, and after that they were much more conciliatory.

I think it's just something that's never happened to 99% of attractive women. A guy telling them to get the fuck out of his presence is totally alien to them. It's a massive DHV. I mean, who the fuck banishes someone from his presence? That's like king or emperor game right there. Old school.

Praise for the:

Fo' shizzle. Women get pampered growing up, surrounded by betas during their pursuit of a liberal arts degree, and then again in an office environment. When they actually come across someone that will put them in their place, they don't know how to act. If she's in your crib, and acting psycho, change venues. This has saved me on few from the po po getting called. Calm her down a bit and take her to a bar. There you have the last ditch option of dropping her off, or getting the hamster to shut the fuck up. Girls in the U.S. knows the laws. Be careful.

As for throwing out part, I try to screen before they make it to the bedroom. Things are trickier now with domestic violence laws. It is important to maintain strong frame from moment 1. Girls will find a chink in your armor and exploit first chance they get. Remain vigilant.

One way I keep the distance is exactly what women do. "I want me a man, but I don't need me no man". Fine, bitches. Beat them at their own game. Flip the script.

Her: Are you glad I'm here tonight?
Me: I like having you around.
Her: Do you need me around?
Me: No.

Eventually they'll ask, looking for that weak spot. I reinforced all those cracks by being totally self-sufficient. There's nothing a woman can do that I can't, except suck my dick. I let them know that in a, well, more polite way.

If she bucks up with distance (call/text), shut her off immediately. Go two days without a single response. Move on and do other things. Life is too short to deal with the unnecessary drama. I put up with that shit in my early 20's, but old ali has a short fuse now. I got more important shit to worry about, like folding my wife beaters.

With that being said, I do come across some great women, and thoroughly enjoy being in mini-relationships. It's a great feeling when you come home to a chick you can put some trust and time in.

[Valhalla]

Great thread

You have to establish this frame and these boundaries very early on

[bike0369]

Thanks guys, great thread! Saved me massively today.

I met this Singaporean Indian chick today after we been in touch for 9 months or so. First bar- we're flirting heavily when two chicks sit next to us, and we end up exchanging info. This girl was convinced that the chicks came because of me (and truly, they left immediately after taking my card.)

I took her to second bar, while flirting all the way, and tried to kiss her, but she stops me. In the bar, we meet a friend of her who was with 5 other friends, but we stay there (probably a mistake to be corrected next). By now, she's flirting so much that she's hitting my chest. I tease her to be careful. However, 10 mins later, she hits me on my face. In a flirty way, but hit nevertheless. I immediately made it clear that it was wrong and she profoundly apologizes. 5 mins later, her idiot of a friend joins her and they're taking about them both being single. I completely ignore them both but inside I'm pissed at the friend for breaking the rhythm.

When the friend leaves, we start slowly, but are in good shape in few mins. Again heavy flirting, and I didn't see it coming but she hits me in the face again. Then says sorry like five times, and that it was out of love ???!!!!. I stayed calm, and tell her that I don't take shit, and calmly leave the bar.

Q: what would the pros here would have done?

Q: I also think this chick maybe into BDSM, am I reading correct or not?