[calwinston]

Well today as I am waiting for my girl to get off of work in a cafe by the Golden Gate. In walks a American girl talking on her cell phone. My first thought is why is she in Kiev?! Second I started to cringe at the site of her being here in Kiev to taint the population.

She is not bad looking and bangable back in the States a(7). Here she is just another 6 in the crowd of 8's and 9's. 5'2" to 5'3" brunette, brown eyes, and her age about 22-25 years old. Dress better than the typical American. The girls in Ukraine have rubbed off on her in a good way. From there it goes downhill.

After she orders her drink she comes towards me in an almost empty cafe and says "Hey you! Can you plug this in!" The reason she walks in my direction is because there is an electric socket behind me in plain view. Plus I have my tablet plugged into the other socket. I don't acknowledge her continuing to look at my tablet and typing. She tries in Russian. Still looking at tablet. My first thought is to say something derogatory for saying "Hey you." Since that will attract more attention to me than I already want in Ukraine (unwanted people getting involved i.e. cops), I keep my mouth shut. She stands there for about 10 seconds until she finds a electric socket at the table beside me. She plugs her phone in and starts to talk again. I start to listen to the conversation and the first thing I notice is her inserting 'like' and dropping a curse word ever other sentence. Hearing this I take out my phone and start recording her talking. Second she is talking to a guy that she is dating (probably back in the States). Telling him she cant wait to go back to the US because nobody here is friendly at her job plus Ukraine, she cant find the luxuries she wants, etc. Then at one point the guy on the other end of the phone asks a question, it seems pertaining to moving the relationship a little quicker than she wanted. This is her response.

(You have to increase the volume to here her over the music in the background.)

She says on the recording that they should wait a couple of weeks and it may turn out he hates her.
My thought is from the first time seeing you in Ukraine, I hated you. Then after hearing you speak, you affirmed my hate.

The she continues to talk about her life here in Ukraine.
At one point she starts to talk about a book or movie.

(You have to turn up the volume again to hear her.)

In brief its about "love" and "shit". Plus notice she is inserting 'like' after every word. You can read some other things into it from her subliminally telling the guy that is what you are in my eyes.

In some aspects I felt sorry for the guy. I wanted to tell the guy on the other end to drop her and I can show you how a man is suppose to live. The thing is he is lost just as many other western men. That is why the manosphere is here today. Hopefully one day he is looking online, drops into one of these forums, and picks up a thing or two.

This has taught me a valuable lesson. I am never dating a girl from the United States again. This also reminds me why I left the United States. Its not for just this girl sitting beside me in the cafe talking down to a beta who is basically worshiping here like it is his last hope. It is the atmosphere that corrupts men's minds to accept women to be like the one I witnessed today. Thank you random American girl for reaffirming my thoughts of why I left the United States. Now go back to the US and tell all your friends how horrible it is here, so they will not come to Eastern Europe.

[speakeasy]

I hate that type of valley girl voice and manner of speech. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. And being here in the US, you can't get away from it. Especially the west coast. You constantly hear it all around you.

[Christian McQueen]

Fuckin A that was hysterical.

Good job.

[slubu]

If you spend enough time abroad interacting with foreign girls, it becomes almost impossible to go back to the US. Foreign girls are like what food used to be like...fresh, raw and wholesome. US girls are the processed equivalent...manufactured, filled with bad ingredients and designed to satisfy only your basic tastes (sex). Spend a year eating whole, natural food and then go have some Taco Bell. I guarantee that you will feel sick afterwards.

[vinman]

(11-19-2013 02:00 PM)slubu Wrote:  

If you spend enough time abroad interacting with foreign girls, it becomes almost impossible to go back to the US. Foreign girls are like what food used to be like...fresh, raw and wholesome. US girls are the processed equivalent...manufactured, filled with bad ingredients and designed to satisfy only your basic tastes (sex). Spend a year eating whole, natural food and then go have some Taco Bell. I guarantee that you will feel sick afterwards.

Damn Slubu, you nailed it! It's akin to going from pristine ocean waters to toxic sludge.

[jimukr104]

I not meaning to bust balls but you aren't really ignoring her which is obvious by the fact you pay attention to her in your mind even to the extent you thought it make a good story and recorded her.True indifference is when you don't register them!

[Barron]

(11-19-2013 03:30 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I not meaning to bust balls but you aren't really ignoring her which is obvious by the fact you pay attention to her in your mind even to the extent you thought it make a good story and recorded her.True indifference is when you don't register them!

Its impossible to ignore someone that loud and obnoxious..
And i totally share the feelings of encountering American women in Ukraine.
I was in Kherson over the summer, took me almost 2 days to travel there from Cali. I get off the train, spend 5 minutes in the corner making out with my gf who had been waiting months to see me and as we're making light loving conversation waiting for a cab I hear the screeching rants of an obese American woman from behind me. I traveled 2 fucking days and was in paradise for 5 minutes with my gf before I had to be disrupted by that shit. My gf looked at me and I rolled my eyes at her which made her giggle and kissed me on the forehead, telling me to "just relax" and that "we'll be home soon."

God bless Ukraine. and please stay the fuck away from the EU

[SeanBateman]

(11-19-2013 01:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hate that type of valley girl voice and manner of speech. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. And being here in the US, you can't get away from it. Especially the west coast. You constantly hear it all around you.

Yes. Even girls in England and Australia seem elegant by comparison.

[travolta]

I don't see the point of this...

I think guys on this forum overhype how bad American girls are. There are PLENTY of foreign girls who are extremely annoying, ugly and stupid. Way worse than any American girl you'd meet. You're putting foreign girls on too high of a pedestal.

[Courage Reborn]

I was in Kiev for 3 weeks total, and did not hear 1 other American voice during my time there.

Where is this cafe? And wtf was an american girl doing there?

[renotime]

(11-19-2013 07:54 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

I was in Kiev for 3 weeks total, and did not hear 1 other American voice during my time there.

Where is this cafe? And wtf was an american girl doing there?

She was probably looking for cronuts.

[Arg expert]

"My first thought is to say something derogatory for saying "Hey you." Since that will attract more attention to me than I already want in Ukraine (unwanted people getting involved i.e. cops)".....

man, you are new to Ukraine

lol, you think that saying a vulgar thing to a woman will get other people involved?? or, worst, bring in the cops ??

man, you could have pushed her away, nobody would have cared

outside of Kiev, in some parts in the East, if she behaved bad in front of you, you could have slapped her in public, nobody would call the cops on that. The cops anyway would not come. They are not exactly white-knights! They are busy on the highways, making money...

lol :" I don't want to tell a bitch in Ukraine to shut up, because I'm afraid Ukrainian people would intervene, or call the cops on me!!"

Anyway, the rest of your post was indeed interesting and true. Enjoy Ukraine and its wonderful women.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-19-2013 06:55 PM)travolta Wrote:  

I don't see the point of this...

I think guys on this forum overhype how bad American girls are. There are PLENTY of foreign girls who are extremely annoying, ugly and stupid. Way worse than any American girl you'd meet. You're putting foreign girls on too high of a pedestal.

It's actually that you're stuck in America, rummaging for scraps of pussy in the gutter, so it seems like we put foreign chicks on a pedestal.

Climb up out of the gutter, rinse yourself off, and you'll see for yourself that no one is pedestalizing foreign women. When American women are swimming in the sewers, everyone else seems to be far above them.

[calwinston]

(11-19-2013 03:30 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I not meaning to bust balls but you aren't really ignoring her which is obvious by the fact you pay attention to her in your mind even to the extent you thought it make a good story and recorded her.True indifference is when you don't register them!

Maybe I should have worded it differently, by saying that I did not look up or talk to her, to give the feeling that I knew she was there. Their could have been other explanations that fit. Thank you for your constructive criticism.
I did know she was there, by me explaining what she looked like before even walking over to me. Its common courtesy to be aware of your surroundings and respond with appropriate manners. Once I heard "Hey you" I chose not to talk to her, because I was not showed the proper respect as a human being. I did decide to listen in on the conversation after hearing her curse and say 'like' every other word, and sublty chop off the manhood of the guy on the other end of the phone.

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I don't see the point of this...

I think guys on this forum overhype how bad American girls are. There are PLENTY of foreign girls who are extremely annoying, ugly and stupid. Way worse than any American girl you'd meet. You're putting foreign girls on too high of a pedestal.

After reading your comment, I had to think if you were correct or not. Then I had to think about my past American girlfriends and compare them to the women of Eastern Europe.

The girl that I had seen yesterday in the cafe, was a typical first tier city, upper middle class, American girl. These are the women that are not feminine, think the world is owed to because they received a education from a top tier University, and told to be like men to get ahead in the world.
The way this girl was acting, reminds me of Cameron Diaz. In about every movie that she is in tries to act like a teenage boy, i.e. burping, farting, drinking excessively, sleeping with as many random people as possible, cursing, saying 'like' in conversation (teenage girl), the list goes on.

Then I go back to the women that I dated in California.

Girlfriend One- Became comfortable with me to the point she would take a crap with the bathroom door open, and expect me to have sex with her five minutes later. She started to wonder, why I was interested in sex with her anymore.

Girlfriend Two- I would be walking with her in tow, and would tell me to hold on so she can spit on the sidewalk. When I am looking at her with disgust she would look at me an say "you love me". In my head I am saying no I don't and why am I with you again. If this happened in Ukraine, 3 babushkas on the would be yelling at her from the corner.

Girlfriend Three- Would come to my house after drinking with her friends and proceed to ask me to go buy her weed every other day.

Girlfriend Four- Would openly curse in public and also fart give me a slight smile, then laugh about it.

This is just a sample of the many American girls that I dated the seven years in California. I could go into my other experiences in other states but its too far removed from me to remember their habits.

To answer your question, yes there are women like this in every country. In the United States this is a culture that is celebrated. You will witness this behavior, multiple times on a daily basis. In the contrary you will witness this behavior in Europe occasionally once a week or less.

This type of behavior is looked down upon in almost every other country that I have been. It is deemed as low class and uncivilized.

These are the same women in the US wondering why they are still single at the age of 30. These are the same women that are told to get a guy, you need to act like a guy or be his best friend. You need to watch the football game with him, go to the sports bar with him, go rock climbing, etc. These are the things I do with my friends not my girlfriend. They are told you don't need to learn domestic skills to get him. The men with these women, fall into this category- having sex with a man with a vagina. Good luck with that and tell me how long it last.

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I was in Kiev for 3 weeks total, and did not hear 1 other American voice during my time there.

Where is this cafe? And wtf was an american girl doing there?

I was at Coffee House by the Golden Gate and the opera house. This area has many foreign embassies. Ironically the US embassy moved to a fortress in the suburbs. Wonder why?!
She was here doing marketing for an American company.
Most of the foreigners who live here, assimilate into the culture so you don't hear English as much. The only reason she was talking in English was because of the phone conversation. She spoke perfect Russian when ordering her coffee.
If you come during the summer you will hear many English voices around you. Especially in the central area and parks. Teenagers on school trips, American and UK citizens on marriage tours, etc.

[calwinston]

(11-19-2013 08:56 PM)Arg expert Wrote:  

"My first thought is to say something derogatory for saying "Hey you." Since that will attract more attention to me than I already want in Ukraine (unwanted people getting involved i.e. cops)".....

man, you are new to Ukraine

lol, you think that saying a vulgar thing to a woman will get other people involved?? or, worst, bring in the cops ??

man, you could have pushed her away, nobody would have cared

outside of Kiev, in some parts in the East, if she behaved bad in front of you, you could have slapped her in public, nobody would call the cops on that. The cops anyway would not come. They are not exactly white-knights! They are busy on the highways, making money...

lol :" I don't want to tell a bitch in Ukraine to shut up, because I'm afraid Ukrainian people would intervene, or call the cops on me!!"

Anyway, the rest of your post was indeed interesting and true. Enjoy Ukraine and its wonderful women.

No I have been to Ukraine multiple times and know how the culture works here. The only difference is that I am a man of color. So doing that attracts unwanted attention.

[TheBulldozer]

(11-19-2013 06:55 PM)travolta Wrote:  

I don't see the point of this...

I think guys on this forum overhype how bad American girls are. There are PLENTY of foreign girls who are extremely annoying, ugly and stupid. Way worse than any American girl you'd meet. You're putting foreign girls on too high of a pedestal.

Your profile suggests you've done a lot of traveling. I'm surprised you have this opinion.

[Arg expert]

(11-19-2013 10:30 PM)calwinston Wrote:  

No, I have been to Ukraine multiple times and know how the culture works here. The only difference is that I am a man of color. So doing that attracts unwanted attention.

Ah okey, if you are a man of color, things get more complicated, indeed. Be more cautious, discreet, yes.

[rudebwoy]

Calwinston welcome to the board.

She probably suspected you were American and thought she was back home.

I would love to hear your take on Kiev, since this is not your first visit I am sure you have positive feedback.

[calwinston]

(11-20-2013 12:06 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Calwinston welcome to the board.

She probably suspected you were American and thought she was back home.

I would love to hear your take on Kiev, since this is not your first visit I am sure you have positive feedback.

Thanks for the welcome.
I'll write something this week on Kiev in this thread since there are too many datasheets on Ukraine. I will also include second and third tier cities in Ukraine. It seems like many guys here have never experienced third tier cities in Ukraine due to time constraints.

[calwinston]

Also put your questions here and I will answer them.

[Akula]

(11-19-2013 02:00 PM)slubu Wrote:  

If you spend enough time abroad interacting with foreign girls, it becomes almost impossible to go back to the US. Foreign girls are like what food used to be like...fresh, raw and wholesome. US girls are the processed equivalent...manufactured, filled with bad ingredients and designed to satisfy only your basic tastes (sex). Spend a year eating whole, natural food and then go have some Taco Bell. I guarantee that you will feel sick afterwards.

spot on Slubu - well said!

I don't think I could ever go back to American girls. When I'm back home I rarely see any that I would bother hitting on anyway, such is the state of the American woman these days. The 'Valley Girl" and "Vocal Fry" intonations are really annoying as well and (incredibly un-feminine).

It's sort of like once you've driven a few Porsche's and Ferrari's around a few times (or hell even an Audi or a Lexus) you are pretty unlikely to get much enjoyment out of that beat up old Chevy sedan in the back yard...unless it's the only thing you know I guess.

[bojangles]

I'd include Australian and British girls in what Slubu said

[Aliblahba]

This thread is is confusing American girls with California girls.

[calwinston]

(11-20-2013 09:32 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

This thread is is confusing American girls with California girls.

I hear you on that! The only thing with living in Los Angeles is that is a microcosm of the entire United States. It is also usually is a fortune teller of what happens with the rest of the US ten years later.

I am originally from Virginia outside of Washington, DC. When I go back to visit my family I slowly start to see the changes in attitude of what is expected of a woman. Wearing pajamas to go shopping (mainly a east and mid west phenomenon) , the inserting 'like' in conversations, drinking excessively, the list goes on.
The funny thing is my mother (who hasn't been to Europe in ten years) always ask me do the women in Europe dress this way now, are they obese like here in the states, etc. The answer I tell her is no. She is proud that I left the United States. She even predicted 5 years ago that I wouldn't settle down with an American girl. When your mothers see the degradation of women around you and tell you to run. You run!

[Aliblahba]

The worst demographic is the <40 y.o. white demographic from Cali. I won't associate with them overseas or in the workplace. That observation is from living there and almost 20 years of observation. They alone could be responsible for 75% of American hate abroad. Loud, obnoxious, arrogant, and completely oblivious to cultures outside their own.

But I agree, they are an indicator of things to come in the U.S.