[Deepdiver]

LOL I am older a military veteran of a 6 year nuke boat tour and was sitting in my local brew pub last night (Saturday) enjoying a perfect $30 plate of chef prepared Tenderloin Medallions and grilled veggies with Barolo Wine Sauce and Side of Mashed as a reward for a hard worked week on a Cyber Security Contract in Boston I am half way through. This was just as the Pub was converting the dining room and removing tables for night time disco - a true 7/24 cash cow format - breakfast lunch happy hour dinner disco brew pub - and - 2 very young lovelies waltz in and sit next right next to me of course the disco music is now blaring and no one can hear me run game and so not to waste an opportunity that drops in my lap I launch a soft approach and the lass next to me looks like Taylor Swift 7.5+ and her brunette friend was a solid 8 but looked 18 each and were actually 21.

We start chatting about where they are from and they have German Accents and say they are from Germany working a "Service Year" at a local rural town social services center for the elderly and handicapped (Saintly Angels???) - sounds like it is Christian related - the Taylor Swift look alike was friendly enough and an unconscious stool pigeon chatting and answering ALL of my soft probe questions and engaged in my conversation but her Brunette 8 friend Magdalena was very cold shouldered which is fine made me wish I was 25 again though for about a millisecond - said they are "serving" here with Magda's "boyfriend" but of course they were out brew pub bar and disco hopping getting their hamsters on for a bigger better deal - I have a deadline due Monday morning I am working all day on and just playing some hookie here today so I left it with a soft close for next Sat nite if she was around - definitely was some intrigue in Lisa the TS look alike and eminently bangable 21 year olds whereas I could sense some age repulsion in her Brunette 8. In all candor and honesty I would have offered P4P for either or both but time is not on my side this weekend.

I am working on developing some innovative new Mentor Protégé Game with dangling the carrot of major wisdom, skills and income development as their mentor in exchange for clear VPA FWB very personal assistant friends with benefits quid pro quo - honestly pimping them out for their beauty and skillz - surprisingly am getting strong online IOIs in Boston, NYC and Moscow so once I have this perfected I will share the link to the new Amazon Ebook and VPA forum for the 40 to 60+ men as 78 Million baby boomers retiring now and nearly half men who are genetically predisposed to youth and don't need to be shamed about it so Wisdom Game On

[Giovonny]

I just had another idea..

Rent a Young Wing Woman

Hire a cute college girl to game with you. She can provide you with some social proof, she can open girls for you, she can pretend to be your girl. Having a young cutie with you will make things much easier.

I would also take alot of pictures with her to be used on social media, etc.

In many college towns, you can find girls who will do this for 10-15 dollars an hour. Many of them will enjoy it also. They love to game other girls.

Take her to the mall with you, take her downtown, take her out to the bars, etc.

I would put an ad on craiglist or the school newspaper or something..

"Handsome gentlemen seeks college cutie to assist him with approaching and seducing other college girls"

It's a little crazy but fuck it, it's worth a shot.

I want to streamline this process as much as possible. Too many American men feel that college girls are impossible for them to get. This is not true. Plenty of college girls will date a man in his 30's or 40's. Guys just don't know how to access them or talk to them.

Maybe I will start doing workshops at universities???

[samsamsam]

Gio, great idea. I did a quick search on CL. Because everything is on CL, lol.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/com...95743.html

She makes 50 bucks an hour.

[Deepdiver]

(05-19-2013 12:19 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I just had another idea..

Rent a Young Wing Woman

Hire a cute college girl to game with you. She can provide you with some social proof, she can open girls for you, she can pretend to be your girl. Having a young cutie with you will make things much easier.

I would also take alot of pictures with her to be used on social media, etc.

In many college towns, you can find girls who will do this for 10-15 dollars an hour. Many of them will enjoy it also. They love to game other girls.

Take her to the mall with you, take her downtown, take her out to the bars, etc.

I would put an ad on craiglist or the school newspaper or something..

"Handsome gentlemen seeks college cutie to assist him with approaching and seducing other college girls"

It's a little crazy but fuck it, it's worth a shot.

I want to streamline this process as much as possible. Too many American men feel that college girls are impossible for them to get. This is not true. Plenty of college girls will date a man in his 30's or 40's. Guys just don't know how to access them or talk to them.

Maybe I will start doing workshops at universities???

Brilliant - my slight mod for my Mentor Protégé game:

"Handsome gentlemen seeks stunning college cutie to assist him with approaching and recruiting other college girls (or young professional women) for business"

Leaves a lot to the imagination - What Business??? - Recruit for what??? Curiosity overwhelms their cat brains...

Short and sweet - will attract the adventuresome - Sugar Daddie seeking types but on W4P basis wisdom for play in stead of Pay 4 Play basis.

[rudebwoy]

GIO - the biggest problem is having girls freak out over the fact you are trying to hit on them. Yes, it shouldn't be a problem and a "player" should just move on. In my area girls are uptight, so I would have to proceed with caution.

The CL ad is a great idea!

[Deepdiver]

(05-19-2013 12:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Gio, great idea. I did a quick search on CL. Because everything is on CL, lol.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/com...95743.html

She makes 50 bucks an hour.

And for the rest of the country - Wing Women:

http://www.wingwomen.com/

or

http://www.hireabostonwingwoman.com/ for Boston specific skillz

[Vaun]

(08-14-2008 01:07 PM)broken Wrote:  

A co-worker came up to me and asked me what he can do to be better with women. I peg him @ mid 50's.

What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Ideas?

I am very near 40. Here are a few things I have learned in the 2+ years since my divorce after 10 yrs of marriage.

- Online dating is pointless. Showing your real age, photos, the fact you have kids, etc, will automatically turn away 95% of the girls you actually want to date. For me its 25-32, never married, no kids with a degree, with decent tits. Almost all of these girls will say they want someone with no kids in their profile. Choosing someone on Match, etc is a very public act, its as if its public validation for the woman to click on "the perfect guy." For guys like us we are already at a huge disadvantage. Its sort of the difference between Google & Facebook. On Google, you search for the most intimate and private things like "hair loss that works" and "dick pills that make you huge". On Facebook, its the opposite, you try to actually show people you are your most ideal self by saying "I have hair and a huge dick." Its the same thing on Match, these girls want to publicly prove they have found Mr Right, and if you dont fit the criteria, you are out real fast. Daygame is like Google.

- Get in shape, lose the gut, update your wardrobe(get a personal shopper for a day at the department store). Most guys past the age of 30 give up completely. By the time they are 50 they are either old men or pretty cool. I was blessed to have an active dad, and I live that way, I train at the gym, fuck girls, play music and work hard at business. You dont have to have superior genes, its all in lifestyle and how well you take care of yourself and your surroundings. If you became an old man in a loveless life, change. Fucking accept change. Deal with it, roll with it, and evolve to get more pussy. Update your home. Learn and play new sports.

- Get active in life. If you are not a naturally dynamic person, i.e. have a job that keeps you social and out and about, I would say find something that makes you do that. Find a new social scene. Get involved in something new. Travel. Be social to strangers. Eat at the bar instead of a table for one. Learn to dance. Accept and use new technology. Get into music and live music. Just go fucking party, whatever. Go to Key West. Anything. Get the fuck outside. Try quitting porn for a while. Tell them to get off the meds.

I could have died after my divorce. This morning I slept in and I am watching cartoons. I found a new lease on life. Tell them to read PUA and come to boards like this. Most people become so rigid and convinced of their beliefs, tell them to throw that out the door. Tell them to learn daygame, go to clubs and bars, and have fun everywhere. I feel like if more middle aged guys actually took this stuff seriously there would be no single women.

[Nomad77]

It's all begins in your mind. If you think you are old you will act old. To change who you are you first have to change how you think of yourself. Personally, I like to think of myself as my 28 yr old self.

[Sp5]

I'm 56, and finding women in their 40s is easy.

I met a 42 yo virgin not too long ago - she had been "picky" and religious throughout her life in the PI.

I am lucky - I always found cougars sexy, and now they're all around me. I'm not working to pick up every night, I have relationships which started in day game or online.

[pbw]

Good thread

[Giovonny]

(05-19-2013 12:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

GIO - the biggest problem is having girls freak out over the fact you are trying to hit on them.

So dont hit on them.

Remove all thoughts and feelings that you are "hitting on them".

Literally, Do not "hit on them".

Only talk to them. Only chat with them. Only flirt with them.

They can sense your intention when you make that first eye contact. If you have no intention of hotting on them, they will get less of a sense of that.

Your frame greatly effects their frame. Do not hit on them. Talk to them. Its a different vibe.

[Nomad77]

Getting girls significantly younger than you takes finesse. It's like catching a cat. You have to let the cat come to you.

[Screwston]

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

[iknowexactly]

(06-23-2013 10:57 PM)houston Wrote:  

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

I got proofed at 55; but it was bad light. It happened pretty regularly til i was about 45. Now I can pass for about 10 years younger (45).

I'm getting checked out very little by those under 25, but still quite a lot by those about 30. I'm also only 5'9".

[horn]

(06-23-2013 10:57 PM)houston Wrote:  

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

I've gotten as high as 17 years younger, 15 several times. Pretty funny. Normal dim but not dark bar lighting, not drunk. Sometimes I even tell them to guess higher than they think, 50% they still don't get within ~10 years. Guess I'm lucky.

They don't really care how old you are, they care how old you look & act. Being light, fun, flirty takes years off anyone's age - you must know some 40+ women at work that could easily pass for 30ish based on personality and keeping fit.

[Screwston]

(06-24-2013 12:49 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 10:57 PM)houston Wrote:  

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

I got proofed at 55; but it was bad light. It happened pretty regularly til i was about 45. Now I can pass for about 10 years younger (45).

I'm getting checked out very little by those under 25, but still quite a lot by those about 30. I'm also only 5'9".

Why do you always bring up height? You got an inch on me and I've never met so many insecure guys about their height until I found this forum. Just makes it easier to get cut up and "appear" bigger.

[iknowexactly]

(07-09-2013 04:04 PM)houston Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 12:49 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 10:57 PM)houston Wrote:  

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

I got proofed at 55; but it was bad light. It happened pretty regularly til i was about 45. Now I can pass for about 10 years younger (45).

I'm getting checked out very little by those under 25, but still quite a lot by those about 30. I'm also only 5'9".

Why do you always bring up height? You got an inch on me and I've never met so many insecure guys about their height until I found this forum. Just makes it easier to get cut up and "appear" bigger.

"When you're right, you're right-- and you're right."

I love arguing, but you're---right hahahhahahah.

To defend myself a little, when I say I'm 5'9" i don't mean it in a "Oh man I have it so tough" way.

I mean I don't have the advantage of being 6'3" which is what is preferred by most women.

But I am a big genius. And again, you're right to advocate focusing on the positive.

[AAYUSLASH]

(07-08-2013 11:39 PM)horn Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 10:57 PM)houston Wrote:  

Anyone on the forum look 15 or 20 yrs younger than their age? It would be funny to be 40 and still bang 21 yr old girls like nothing.

I've gotten as high as 17 years younger, 15 several times. Pretty funny. Normal dim but not dark bar lighting, not drunk. Sometimes I even tell them to guess higher than they think, 50% they still don't get within ~10 years. Guess I'm lucky.

They don't really care how old you are, they care how old you look & act. Being light, fun, flirty takes years off anyone's age - you must know some 40+ women at work that could easily pass for 30ish based on personality and keeping fit.

Great advice I never reveal my age......they always think i'm 32, woman i work with..... 36 and cute.... thinks i;m younger than she is.. nope... i'm significantly older

for older guys ...hit the gym...cycle...dress the age u want to be, lose the gut...be fashionable....be Alpha............,my girlfriend is 26.....we have been together for 5 years........

[Giovonny]

I get motivation and inspiration from 40+ athletes.. I study them.

Imagine winning a world championship at age 48!

50 is the new 35. Haha

[iknowexactly]

Jens Voigt, longtime professional cyclist was among the top 4 ( out of like 125 racers) in the final mountain climbing stage of the Tour De France a couple days ago.

He's 41, almost 42. The Tour De France is the most competitive cycling race in the world, these are the highest paid cyclists anywhere. He has six children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Voigt

He was only about a minute down from the leaders, but got caught and so finished a couple minutes behind the winners.

All right , you all win, I'll stop whining about being old. Well, mostly.

And these outlier threads are not just about oddballs, you can't be Jens Voigt, but you can be YOUR best 41-yea-rold self.

[ImmoralPsychology]

Just to put one myth to rest, the "older women are better because they know what they're doing and are less drama" idea is complete and total bullshit. For the most part, I haven't noticed any difference in sexual performance or appetite based on age. In fact, one of the worst lays I ever had, if not THE worst, was 38. And same goes for drama. Evey girl is different. The only thing I would say an older woman brings to the table is that I don't have to teach her every little thing about the world whereas I'm a bit tired of doing that with younger women. Tired, yes, but I'm not suggesting that the tradeoff isn't worth it.

[Nomad77]

Completely agree, as a test, I recently went through a couple of 40-45 women. They were more messed up, neurotic, than the younger girls. They had more self-image issues etc. The problems don't go away they just change. Since you have to deal with problems, regardless of age, you might as well deal with the problems of a woman that really gets you excited.

PS The move: This is 40 is pretty funny.

[robreke]

(06-23-2013 08:14 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

(08-14-2008 01:07 PM)broken Wrote:  

A co-worker came up to me and asked me what he can do to be better with women. I peg him @ mid 50's.

What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Ideas?

I am very near 40. Here are a few things I have learned in the 2+ years since my divorce after 10 yrs of marriage.

- Online dating is pointless. Showing your real age, photos, the fact you have kids, etc, will automatically turn away 95% of the girls you actually want to date. For me its 25-32, never married, no kids with a degree, with decent tits. Almost all of these girls will say they want someone with no kids in their profile. Choosing someone on Match, etc is a very public act, its as if its public validation for the woman to click on "the perfect guy." For guys like us we are already at a huge disadvantage. Its sort of the difference between Google & Facebook. On Google, you search for the most intimate and private things like "hair loss that works" and "dick pills that make you huge". On Facebook, its the opposite, you try to actually show people you are your most ideal self by saying "I have hair and a huge dick." Its the same thing on Match, these girls want to publicly prove they have found Mr Right, and if you dont fit the criteria, you are out real fast. Daygame is like Google.

- Get in shape, lose the gut, update your wardrobe(get a personal shopper for a day at the department store). Most guys past the age of 30 give up completely. By the time they are 50 they are either old men or pretty cool. I was blessed to have an active dad, and I live that way, I train at the gym, fuck girls, play music and work hard at business. You dont have to have superior genes, its all in lifestyle and how well you take care of yourself and your surroundings. If you became an old man in a loveless life, change. Fucking accept change. Deal with it, roll with it, and evolve to get more pussy. Update your home. Learn and play new sports.

- Get active in life. If you are not a naturally dynamic person, i.e. have a job that keeps you social and out and about, I would say find something that makes you do that. Find a new social scene. Get involved in something new. Travel. Be social to strangers. Eat at the bar instead of a table for one. Learn to dance. Accept and use new technology. Get into music and live music. Just go fucking party, whatever. Go to Key West. Anything. Get the fuck outside. Try quitting porn for a while. Tell them to get off the meds.

I could have died after my divorce. This morning I slept in and I am watching cartoons. I found a new lease on life. Tell them to read PUA and come to boards like this. Most people become so rigid and convinced of their beliefs, tell them to throw that out the door. Tell them to learn daygame, go to clubs and bars, and have fun everywhere. I feel like if more middle aged guys actually took this stuff seriously there would be no single women.

Good advice ....I'm Trying to optimize my look for young women....20-26. a lot of college girls too.... Do you think clean shaven is the way for an older guy to appear more youthful to younger women? I've been experimenting with 10 day stubble...still all black ...but I've had two call me "sir" this past week when I talked to them. I'm 44 but look 8 -10 younger.

[ColSpanker]

It's not a bad thing to have a younger woman call you "Sir". I would prefer they screamed "Daddy!".

[robreke]

(06-10-2014 10:49 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:  

It's not a bad thing to have a younger woman call you "Sir". I would prefer they screamed "Daddy!".

I don't really like when they call me sir right at the opening. I feel they're putting me in a possible "out of their range of consideration" bracket. I still try to game them....but the ones who call me sir seem to get nervous when I start getting a bit more flirty.
btw....I'm starting to lean towards going back to clean shaven. I like my 10 day black stubble...but I think it may be too much for college girls/young women. I'll experiment a few more days with it.