[kosko]

Kanye barley makes any beats anymore, he tapped out just before Graduation came out. If you scan his liner notes for his albums after that album he gets a shit ton of "help" executive an co-producing his tracks. Kanye is good at seeing other with talent and linking up with them. He's a aggregator and source-seeker of talent and knowledge but he dosn't hold much if any himself.

He would be the type that reads the reference pages on Wikipedia topics vs the wiki article sections on that topic.

You don't hear him getting physochoical or talking red pill. He's very basic and just talks in abstracts with his fame as a box to project downwards onto others.

His best talent is his ability to project his grandeur onto others. That is a crafty skill not all have.

Yezzus was Kanye making music by himself left to his own mind and it wasn't that great....

[Teedub]

^ I personally thought Yezus was pretty bloody good.

[LeBeau]

Really Teedub?

I thought it was easily one of his worst albums, and I'm not gonna lie when I say I probably only liked 1-2 beats on the whole thing.

Which says something because I've really liked a lot of his past beats on his own stuff, Common, Slum Village, etc.

There's gotta be hundreds of albums I'd rather listen to before that one....

What did you like about it?

[Teedub]

I just like the experimental sound of it. He's not trying to make a hit record, just mess about sonically. I like it.

[Enigma]

(10-29-2013 04:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I don't hear any intelligence in his music, but modern software doing all the work. It's all cut and pasted loops, parts sampled from other songs, and cliched effects selected from drop down menus. It's as lazy and effortless as it sounds. His previous overuse of Autotune made sense. Drag and drop. If people want to think that's genius, that's cool, but I suspect his genius requires a laptop in the way Prince wouldn't. Admittedly, I haven't heard the new one.

Also: his arrogance is false. I wouldn't call it confidence, but bluster, as he completely folds when his narcissism is challenged and you see the emotional turmoil that he is hiding. I'd expect high value women to have enough social intelligence to recognise that he's faking mastery, and find him less attractive because of it, because they get tarred by association when he goes full retard in narcissistic fury.

Can we get a data sheet on this?

I mean, if I can just download Pro Tools and effortlessly drag and drop my way to a music career, break that shit down for me.

I see this argument all over the internet. Some people hate Hip Hop so much that they all regurgitate this tired sentiment based on a distorted perception.

Mozart is considered a genius. For what? Arranging instruments into music. Directing people what and how to play.

What does a Hip Hop producer do? Arrange instruments into music. So, if you write music on a piece of paper and have it played live, you're a genius. If you record those same instruments and use them to create a piece of music using an MPC, keyboard, or production software, you're talentless.

It's stated as derogatory that the music "loops" as if other music featuring vocals is this sonic soundscape that never repeats itself. They are dismissed for "requiring a laptop".

John Lennon required three other dudes with their own instruments and voices. Tchaikovsky required an entire orchestra at times.

The funny thing is that people act like learning to play the guitar is rocket science. In reality, someone could learn to replicate a basic song on the guitar just as easily (if not easier) as doing the same thing with a production program (being already given the appropriate samples). Using that instrument to create music that is somewhat unique and good enough to appeal to people is the hard part.

Another interesting point is grown men's obsession with hating on guys like Justin Bieber.

This kid grew up poor in a single parent household and was playing multiple instruments by the time he was a teenager. He was discovered off pure hustle. Yet people were ruthless in their dismissal of his "talent" before he was even an adult simply because they don't like his style of music (I suspect there are also other factors at play).

As a disclaimer, I'm not trying to start an argument about the best music genre or even suggest that someone like Mozart or Lennon weren't amazing musicians. I'm simply setting the record straight over this constant attack and dismissal of Hip Hop as a musical style based on bias and misinformation. These people pretend to be experts on a genre that they don't even being to understand.

[Enigma]

(10-30-2013 02:31 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I just like the experimental sound of it. He's not trying to make a hit record, just mess about sonically. I like it.

I agree.

I like how the tracks transition throughout between those distorted bass beats with Kanye taking a really choppy, abrasive lyrical style to the flowing vocals backed by something more mellow.

As for the OP, Kanye is taking a major L with this whole Kim K thing. Not sure what he's doing.

[rudebwoy]

I guess he sees her as one of the "IT" girls and he has always had a thing for her. She on the other hand is trying to milk her 15 minutes of fame, so she gets hitched to a top performer like him.

I would like to know how the Kardashians can live so well, I see the younger sisters driving G - Wagons.

I wouldn't say Kanye is an idiot, not like anybody will want her now that she has a child.

As a sidenote - I went to his concert with Jay-Z and it was incredible.

[Clyde Rules]

(10-24-2013 11:37 PM)urbannomad Wrote:  

Quote:

Kanye said that last thing he’s thinking about is money. He and his bride have more money than they could spend and Kanye said he would rather focus on the love they have right now than spoil it with a prenup.

Kanya says no to prenup

All I know is that pussy must be crazy cause its cause Kanye to lose his damn mind lol

[urbannomad]

Kanya lacks irrationality, the inability to CONTROL himself...He will continue to say and do things that will cause him to get blacklist or worst legal ramification. There seem to be a lot of psychology issues going on.

[kerouac]

Kanye is decent, great at arranging and producing samples, but his lyrics make me want to shoot myself. He thinks he has these great revelations, but anyone else who hasn't read shit in his life would probably think that too.

He is immodest, which in our culture isn't a crime, and he understands the value of marketing and exposure, but his music, were it not for his escapades in the media, would be no more significant than any other pop-hip-hop-electro bullshit out there.

I am a hater. I am a Kanye hater. Does what I say, or what other Kanye Haters say, fuel his strange fire? Maybe, but I don't care. If it weren't for the few times I watch regular TV I wouldn't give a shit about the guy, but going outside of my house and doing anything in this country involves me having to hear about Kanye and that grotesque good-for-nothing Kim K. They are all over, and the media forces their shit on my life, so I will hate the guy, and I won't stop hating until his fake "genius" is realized for what it is... Pop Crap with a buffoon screaming some bullshit lyrics like he is the next Moses getting his laws straight from God.

[kosko]

(10-30-2013 06:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I guess he sees her as one of the "IT" girls and he has always had a thing for her. She on the other hand is trying to milk her 15 minutes of fame, so she gets hitched to a top performer like him.

I would like to know how the Kardashians can live so well, I see the younger sisters driving G - Wagons.

I wouldn't say Kanye is an idiot, not like anybody will want her now that she has a child.

As a sidenote - I went to his concert with Jay-Z and it was incredible.

It seems that they make their bank of their celebrity status and selling access to them. Everything from a picture, to a interview, TV appearance their is a free attached.

Its fucked up though because how can that family sleep knowing that the only reason they "exist" in the public eye is because their daughter/sister whored herself on a sex tape. Its nutty if you think about it.

[We The Real]

(10-29-2013 04:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Kanye barley makes any beats anymore, he tapped out just before Graduation came out. If you scan his liner notes for his albums after that album he gets a shit ton of "help" executive an co-producing his tracks. Kanye is good at seeing other with talent and linking up with them. He's a aggregator and source-seeker of talent and knowledge but he dosn't hold much if any himself.

He would be the type that reads the reference pages on Wikipedia topics vs the wiki article sections on that topic.

You don't hear him getting physochoical or talking red pill. He's very basic and just talks in abstracts with his fame as a box to project downwards onto others.

His best talent is his ability to project his grandeur onto others. That is a crafty skill not all have.

Yezzus was Kanye making music by himself left to his own mind and it wasn't that great....

Definitely agree with his ability to find and work with others.. successfully. Yezzus has many more producers who worked on it(Timbaland, Pharell, Mike Dean, MikeWMadeIt, DaftPunk, no Id and that does not include the guys who are most likely the ones who put in the grunt work for the track) than HB & 808z. ( Kanye, Jeff Bhasker, and No ID. This is him mastermindin' a project. Every track on the Drop out, Late registration was produced by Kanye. What you said about projecting his fame thru his music, you are 100 percent right, but that's industry standard. what top 40 is talkin bout transcendence? haha shit like that ain't part of the plan.
Son is definitely the king of making himself bigger thru perception. When it comes to modern day music producers, he gets this attention because he's worked it.

My 2 cents, Play Yeezus in car with stellar audio quality..Shit is live!

[urbannomad]

Kanye going to Paris was a good move in the right direction. He just needs to make he final stop in Dubai.

[Honorable Man]

(10-30-2013 05:00 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

I'm simply setting the record straight over this constant attack and dismissal of Hip Hop as a musical style based on bias and misinformation. These people pretend to be experts on a genre that they don't even begin to understand.

THANK YOU.

Madlib is as capable of a musician as anyone you can name, living or dead.

Same with MF DOOM. Same with RZA, Just Blaze, Ye's mentor No I.D. for fuck's sake, Pete Rock, and Jay Dilla (RIP to the GOAT).

The crazy thing here is that every single one of the people I listed fucks with Kanye. I could make a list every notable artist of any genre that fucks with him, but damn that would go on forever. Never forget that Lou Reed gave Yeezus a glowing review shortly before his death.

Basically everyone who has been on the radio in the last ten years has worked with him. Basically everyone who was on the radio before that has massive respect for him. I understand why he annoys a lot of people (personally I find it all hilarious, see: "50 told me, go 'head, switch the style up / And if they hate then let 'em hate and watch the money pile up"), but I doubt you're more qualified to comment on his musical talent than the legends who've worked with him.

Now after all of that, let me post a remix he did for Alicia Keys that I think stands with the very best of his work:

If you don't fuck with that, man, I dunno.

[micha]

For relevance and laughs.

(video should start round 56:50, if it doesn't skip there)

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-30-2013 05:00 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 04:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I don't hear any intelligence in his music, but modern software doing all the work. It's all cut and pasted loops, parts sampled from other songs, and cliched effects selected from drop down menus. It's as lazy and effortless as it sounds. His previous overuse of Autotune made sense. Drag and drop. If people want to think that's genius, that's cool, but I suspect his genius requires a laptop in the way Prince wouldn't. Admittedly, I haven't heard the new one.

Can we get a data sheet on this?

I mean, if I can just download Pro Tools and effortlessly drag and drop my way to a music career, break that shit down for me.

I see this argument all over the internet. Some people hate Hip Hop so much that they all regurgitate this tired sentiment based on a distorted perception.

The KLF already did it:



And, no, West is going to constantly claim his Genius, then I'm going to analyse what I'm hearing. It's no Homebrew or Duck Rock.

You're making the false assumption I'm dismissing all Rap and Hip-Hop, based on not recognising Genius in West's music, with the added implication that this is racially-based. By this logic, because I refuse to recognise Genius in the music of Nirvana for much the same reasons (lack of effort in the writing, simplistic melodies and not trying to push the boundaries to elevate material), I also hate all rock music and white people.

Admittedly, I dislike harmonic stasis and repetition in classical music. The eighties work of Michael Nyman frustrates me, no end, though he's dramatic enough that he's begging to be sampled and integrated into rap music.

All art isn't equal, though I'll admit it's so largely-personal and subjective that it's impossible to reach consensus on what is great and what isn't. If Kayne does it for you, great, but I simply want more than what he's offering, and don't hear Genius in the arrangement, based on 35+ years of arranging music, and knowing how easy computers make thing having used them for years: I just note the rote nature of machines, and hear lost opportunities to add aural and harmonic interest and strengthen the material through certain arrangement tricks, much in the way the rock music of Nickleback leaves me wanting more.

I make my critical decisions based on personal experience and arrangement knowledge, and understand just how easy computers make this sort of thing. For example, a friend asked me a while back how to fit a sample of a bad 80's song 'Rush Hour' into a track he was doing, and he just couldn't make it work. My advice was to treat the Em drone of the track as being a relative minor to the sample's key: pitch it to G Major.

I was in a hotel room with only a lap top, thought "Songs with Em drones, what's on the computer.... Shep Pettibone's Remix of West End Girls, Eleanor Rigby" and had cut loops out the mp3's, played them together in Ableton Live, then cut and repitched 'Rush Hour', dropped it in, then threw in a filtered guitar riff from REM's The One I Love just because. Less than 3 minutes later, I can show him proof of concept, and he calls me a 'lifesaver'.

I did build that into a full track for my own amusement -fuck knows where it is now - but this is without any timestretching or production which would have smoothed it out.

Knowing the simplicity and automation of the process is why I don't respect this kind of thing. I was into sampling when John Oswald was getting sued for his Plunderphonics series and the Latin Rascals knew how to use a razor to cut inches of tape knowing exactly how long it would translate to in beats per minute, and that kind of audio terrorism (and I'd include record scratching in this) was dirty, thrilling and exciting. Dragging and dropping loops is middle class and corporate to my ears. It's so safe.

Laptops also removes the human element from a performance for me, which is the main way I differentiate artists from each other. What makes this artist unique from others? What can I only get from them?

Do you respect all music equally? What about Meaghan here? I mean, she's arranged a song that people seem to have responded to, no doubt on a Laptop. Should she be applauded? What factors do you bring into your eventual decision? If they're valid in your case, why, in mine, are they evidence of ignorance?

[la_mode]

For a black man, he has zero true swag, but lots of clown swag.

[Repo]

Even though a marriage without a prenup is almost always a bad idea, isn't Kim worth more than him now? If they break up he could be taking her money. . .

[Avon Barksdale]

Yeezus was alright.

Blackskinhead, Blood on the leaves, New slaves(sonically, not message wise) were the best songs off the album.

[Enigma]

(05-01-2015 05:25 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

The KLF already did it:

And, no, West is going to constantly claim his Genius, then I'm going to analyse what I'm hearing. It's no Homebrew or Duck Rock.

You're making the false assumption I'm dismissing all Rap and Hip-Hop, based on not recognising Genius in West's music, with the added implication that this is racially-based. By this logic, because I refuse to recognise Genius in the music of Nirvana for much the same reasons (lack of effort in the writing, simplistic melodies and not trying to push the boundaries to elevate material), I also hate all rock music and white people.

I didn't even hint at anything race related in my post. In fact, the only artist I defended by name (Justin Bieber) is white and doesn't make rap music.

I'm not going to have this argument with you.

[KofiKingston]

(10-25-2013 08:30 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Damn, this is the EXACT replay of the infamous Severina Vučković-Milan Popović episode from the Balkans!



- A rich, famous businessman who could have any woman
- A mediocre, aging celebrity (if looking good for her age) most known for her sex tape
- He gets her pregnant; marriage is announced
- Showers her with gifts, adoration, sappy interviews, villas, cars
- 6 months after the kid is born, she dumps him, says "they're just not compatible"
- She gets 100% custody, he gets 2 days visits' per month and gigantic alimony

Curiosity overwhelmed me, had to google, video's pretty good tbh.

nsfw(obviously) http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?vi...adfb90ac76

[Que enspastic]

I think Kanye is a narcissistic douche asshole but I also really dig his music. His albums are all different in their own way, he's experimental, he's smooth and he brings the best out of people who collaborate with him (Jay Z, Minaj, Legend, Ross etc)

[Honorable Man]

Seriously. He managed to get one of the best hooks ever out of Adam Levine for fuck's sake.

Also one of my favorite music videos.

[Honorable Man]

(05-01-2015 05:25 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Do you respect all music equally?

What about Meaghan here?

Should she be applauded?

What factors do you bring into your eventual decision?

If they're valid in your case, why, in mine, are they evidence of ignorance?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

She co-wrote one of the most popular songs in the history of recorded music.

Because your experience has left you with a bias. The quality of music is subjective in every way, except that popularity can be measured. Kanye West is the most popular male music artist who has ever lived. This is a factual statement.

[Goldin Boy]

Quote:

Because your experience has left you with a bias. The quality of music is subjective in every way, except that popularity can be measured. Kanye West is the most popular male music artist who has ever lived. This is a factual statement.

Lol what? Jay-Z is more popular than he is.



^^^ And what about this guy?