[kaotic]

Even experienced players can get rust and overplay the cockyness/arrogant hand

looks like I might've did just this OR she likes guy's taller than 5'9"

Tinder match, solid 8 fake blondie, banging body, lots of shitty tats, perky tits (tatted chest piece kind of killed it) and surprise braces.

You know those girls that instantly makes your dick hard that you just want to fuck the shit out of ?

This was one of them.

The Tinder convo went great, she's a bitch, i'm an asshole, perfect match, gave me LMR on the number, shut her down, she sent me her number.

This has been our conversation so far (It's been awhile since I've dealt with such a feisty bitch):

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So far so good, sarcasm reflects, compliance in works

I get her pic, standard duck face make up less selfie, or course less cute than her other pics

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Instant shit test, defeated, by another shit test, followed by more sarcasm

She isn't getting what she wants, she's getting frustrated

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Princess gets mad and can't take a joke, I half heartedly try to diffuse it.

I'll probably let her chill out and follow up with her tommorow.

Would you guys restart ?

How would you restart ?


Some ideas:
"So are you stil in a coma or what ?"
"Did you die?"
"So are you one of those girls whose insecure about height ?"
"So did you die or are you one of those girls that plays games ? I thought you were straight up."

I want to provoke some attention like confrontation to regain the frame.

Or should I keep it simple ?

Thoughts and Ideas are always welcome.

[AneroidOcean]

(05-12-2015 03:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You know those girls that instantly makes your dick hard that you just want to fuck the shit out of ?

This was one of them.

The Tinder convo went great, she's a bitch, i'm an asshole, perfect match, gave me LMR on the number, shut her down, she sent me her number.

Classic overgaming. You also fed into her frame about calling you cocky by continuing that whole dialogue, but the real killer was the overboard arrogance at the end, then trying to save it.

Also, your responses are constantly longer and you are trying to verbally spar with her. She is not on your level, she doesn't want to be on your level, and she doesn't like being beat verbally. You're supposed to be cocky yet unable for her to pin down by changing the subject and getting her imagination involved.

I'd radio silence her and think of something engaging to send her tomorrow or the next day, but this one is likely gone, gone, gone.

[kaotic]

Honestly Aneroid, yeah I knew it as soon as I did.

The good thing is I'm beginning to see these sorts of things immediately and adjust.

Oh well, charge it to the game and carry on.

I'll send a feeler out today.

[mofasa2]

So long story short I hit this chick up on OKCUPID (anywhere from an 8-9, one of those hail mary attempts online) she was being difficult but I held frame dropped my # and she ended up texting me. We talked back and forth 5/6 times, I got her to qualify herself asking if she had cats/trying to make sure she wasn't a "crazy cat lady." Shout out to Blurred Sevens for the line. She's loving my playful texts, with some gif's, and I started breaking down her defense. Here is where I'm stuck.

ME: Why don't we get together this week so I can charm you in person?

Her: Can I think about it

ME: Lol are you asking for permission? (normally wouldn't lol but she was using them all over the place and I literally laughed)

Her: Yes

Me: Yes xxx you are allowed to think about it

Her: Ok thanks

Me: Whats your instagram I'll add you so you can do more research

Her:xxx

So my question is how long should I wait to hit her up again. And what should the opener be? Something online the lines of- So if you take much longer the offer might not be on the table anymore. IDK. Any ideas?

[eradicator]

^what? first off, never ask for a girl's instagram and tell her you want to 'do research' on her. That is just horrendous text game. instagram is just a utility for girls to attention whore, and you do not want to be playing into that. next time a girl tells you that she needs time to think about whether she wants to go on a date with you, you either say "you have 10 seconds to decide" or "no, just go with your gut and decide now, if that's a no, so be it"

been said many times, girls that tell you 'maybe' are by far the most problematic. the girls that say 'yes' are great, the girls that say 'no', at least they gave you a straight answer and you can go chase other women, the girls that say 'maybe' can string you along indefinitely.

you should be trying to get her out on a date, not doing research on her instagram.

as for what your ideas are. give her logistics as to what you will be doing on the date. getting drinks, getting coffee then drinks. drinks and dancing. drinks and air hockey. depends on the girl. i would just be trying to call her and talk to her and figure that out.

'you around? can I call?" is ok, and just hope that your phone game is better than your text game.

[kaotic]

Don't suggest, ask.

Instead of suggesting: "Why don't we get" - get rid of the charm (you're qualifying yourself to her)

Use: What's your evening schedule like this week OR let's meet up thursday night, 8:30 at X place.

The more specific you are, the more of specific response you'll get back.

I wouldn't of even asked for her IG, I would've asked her for a selfie doing a specific thing, so I know it's her.


"Can I think about it ?"

I would've replied with "no I made up your mind and I've decided we're doing X and Y time." or something along those lines.

If she dropped info saying she's free on certain days or is down for what you suggested, STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT.

[mofasa2]

I said I'll add you on instagram so SHE can do more research. I'm confident in my instagram game it displays value. But yeah I shoulda struck while the iron is HOT and just made a decision for her. Okay well now that's behind me how can I move forward from here? I'm about 3 months into GAME and texting is by far the worst aspect

[mofasa2]

(05-13-2015 01:12 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

^what? first off, never ask for a girl's instagram and tell her you want to 'do research' on her. That is just horrendous text game. instagram is just a utility for girls to attention whore, and you do not want to be playing into that. next time a girl tells you that she needs time to think about whether she wants to go on a date with you, you either say "you have 10 seconds to decide" or "no, just go with your gut and decide now, if that's a no, so be it"

been said many times, girls that tell you 'maybe' are by far the most problematic. the girls that say 'yes' are great, the girls that say 'no', at least they gave you a straight answer and you can go chase other women, the girls that say 'maybe' can string you along indefinitely.

you should be trying to get her out on a date, not doing research on her instagram.

as for what your ideas are. give her logistics as to what you will be doing on the date. getting drinks, getting coffee then drinks. drinks and dancing. drinks and air hockey. depends on the girl. i would just be trying to call her and talk to her and figure that out.

'you around? can I call?" is ok, and just hope that your phone game is better than your text game.

Ok, So I should get her on the phone with a clear plan of what we will do and go from there. Makes sense

[kaotic]

Turns out the girl above ended up being such an entitled cunt, even if it s a front, she's bitter about everything, her job, school, money, no desire to travel.

I'm obviously getting a reaction out of her, no point of going nuclear on her.

She's probably got plenty of guys doing that or thirstily agreeing with her.

I'm more along the lines of being passive aggressive, definitely a next, I'll do one last text telling her to meet me tommorow or tonight.


EDIT: We talked a bit more about me handling my shit and calling her a bratt.

She's agreed to meet up tonight, and has the balls to say "better give me gas money then haha" because she "doesn't get paid till next week"

Bitch do I look like a SIMP ? Straight told her she "better give me ass money then"

Ended up responding with some lame excuse how she has gas but needs to save it.

An entitled bitch, a broke ass bitch, this describes more than 75% of American girls lol.

Well she's going to meet me by my house.

All the LMR and shit testing and she's still driving to me.

Good new is I'm pipelining another girl just in case she bails.

[Fortis]

^ Sounds like a real loser. Count yourself lucky that you screened her out. Bitch really asked for gas money? Give me a fucking break.

[kaotic]

I know right ? The fact that she's driving out to see me shows IOI, a selfish cunt like that would never do that unless she's entertaining the idea of fucking me.

My goal is to control the frame bounce from coffee, grab beers, get her to my house, bang her, then probably not talk to her again.

I just got another number from a cutie also, I'm hoping fill my pipe up before I leave for music festival next week.

[eradicator]

(05-13-2015 05:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I know right ? The fact that she's driving out to see me shows IOI, a selfish cunt like that would never do that unless she's entertaining the idea of fucking me.

My goal is to control the frame bounce from coffee, grab beers, get her to my house, bang her, then probably not talk to her again.

I just got another number from a cutie also, I'm hoping fill my pipe up before I leave for music festival next week.

what does the entitled cunt look like? I am guessing she is hot for you to be tolerating all of this nonsense. she wants gas money?! Sounds like my sister.(i.e. a serious bitch)

[kaotic]

If she didn't have all those tats, 8-8.5, shes 20, skinny athletic body, perky C cups, total bitch on the phone, which I countered the fuck out of her.

Ive got another date lined up, cute 7, 19 but no license or car and 15 mins away.

Id rather have the bitch drive 30 mins out of her way to see me, than drive to a girl.

Im not losing either way.

[kaotic]

Got her on my bed, but it was a blow out.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...pid1020652

[wagmydog]

how do you playas reply when a chick you've already banged texts you a nude selfie out of blue? It's obviously an invitation for re-bang, however my logistics are such that I can't bang her till next week. So I want to encourage this behavior for more of the same down the line but keep an aloof frame at the same time.

[Libertas]

AB, your advice has worked. Reinstated the convo today:

Me: hey I got something today that reminded me of you litigating
Her: Hey yeah what's that?
Me: was down at the courts and thought id see you busting on someone in front of a judge. where were you?
Her: Not by the courts lol
Me: so being bored in an office then, longing for litigating huh
Her: No I just finished my last final

Was out with some guys so I left it there. What do you all think I should do next? Send some engaging picture? I'm realizing that this is a step by step process until I can figure out a basic blueprint for all my texting. Right now I'm gonna try to bait a little more until I can make a phone call.

[eradicator]

(05-14-2015 07:25 AM)wagmydog Wrote:  

how do you playas reply when a chick you've already banged texts you a nude selfie out of blue? It's obviously an invitation for re-bang, however my logistics are such that I can't bang her till next week. So I want to encourage this behavior for more of the same down the line but keep an aloof frame at the same time.

dick pic

But seriously, just say "i'll be back in town next week"

I might even text " (=========D "

this is a girl youve already banged, sending you nude photos, so long as you don't ignore it, you are fine.

[Libertas]

Girl from Friday responded last night. She sent me a pic of herself (nice but not overly sexualized - her cleavage is visible but it's not anything particularly naughty). After I humorously asked whether it was an order from HR (some callback humor from our talk). She responded that it was.

Now I don't think I would be buying into her frame because she sent me something first, but what do you guys think I should do? Continue the dickish humor, send some pic, or what?

Also I tried to invite bikini model/litigator out for the gathering on Friday but she didn't respond to my initial ping. How should I proceed from here when it's been a few days?

[Lizard King]

This is the text I just got:

Quote:

I've got really fat since having the girls and felt quite shit about myself so was flattered when you asked if I'm single.... Then you asked if I have any single friends

Context: I bumped in to a girl I used to bang, but not an ex. She is not fat at all. She has a bf, but has cheated in the past(with me, many times).

After meeting her again I asked if she was taken(props to Virtus for that) and she said she was and that we could only be friends.

I ignored the text for a couple of days then asked if she had any single friends.


So, I have plenty of time, but could do with some help. I need to make her feel like she could cheat with me (Team No Ethics). I have a feeling it could be possible. All suggestions welcome.

[Vincent Chase]

Why the fuck would you ask a girl if she's taken in the first place?

[Lizard King]

(05-17-2015 12:02 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

Why the fuck would you ask a girl if she's taken in the first place?

It demonstrates intention.

I didn't out right say "are you taken?", she texted after our meeting to say she was pleased to see me, so I replied something along the lines of "we will see more of each other, unless you're taken".

I think that clearly demonstrates my intention(to bang her).

Thanks for the advice on what to text next!!

[eradicator]

(05-17-2015 12:29 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 12:02 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

Why the fuck would you ask a girl if she's taken in the first place?

It demonstrates intention.

I didn't out right say "are you taken?", she texted after our meeting to say she was pleased to see me, so I replied something along the lines of "we will see more of each other, unless you're taken".

I think that clearly demonstrates my intention(to bang her).

Thanks for the advice on what to text next!!

go for logistics
"meet for drinks at xyz bar at 8pm tuesday night" because she is clearly still into you. dont make this too difficult for yourself, sounds like a lay up

also, i don't get why you would ever ask if a girl is taken. I just ask them out(that should demonstrate my intention) but maybe I am missing something

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-17-2015 10:47 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

Also I tried to invite bikini model/litigator out for the gathering on Friday but she didn't respond to my initial ping. How should I proceed from here when it's been a few days?

I was in the middle of messaging you a detailed breakdown of my text techniques, when the forum window reset and ate my reply. I've got it roughly sketched out in word now, and will rewrite it tomorrow.

This part of it is still fresh in my head, and I'm hoping it might be of use to you for the model. You'll know if it fits your style or not, so either experiment or discard.

Avoid tentative prods of 'hello', 'hi's' or 'whatsap', unless you were deliberately playing Man Of Few Words in your initial meeting. Yours sounded more casual / playful, so continue the vibe.

What you are looking to do is re-engage her positive emotional state at the time she gave you her contact details by reminding her of the enjoyable, flirty situation you were in. Days have passed, her mood has changed, so simply try to lead her back into it via your framing so you're not starting from scratch to warm her up.

I think of this as continuing the conversation, and I learnt it from the ways girls usually re-open me in person if we'd run into each other. It was never a 'hello', it was always somehow referring back to our last interaction, meaning they remembered it and me.

It's similar to techniques I've seen in movies and songwriting, where they suggest you start IN the action. Girls think of themselves as characters in movies, so treat texting like scriptwriting. You rarely see characters make introductory small talk in movies. Start in the action, or assume it never stopped. I expect girls are getting normalised to this, as they do much more texting than us. Think about the time line of text conversations, and how the conversation can stop for a couple of hours and then instantly continue. Simply treat the gap between the physical then and the virtual now as a pause in a text conversation.

During your initial conversation, she would have dropped plenty of potential ways to continue the conversation in a way that should instantly remind her of the context, and, as such, who you are, without you having to state your name. It's a good combination of accelerated familiarity / intimacy, and arrogant assumption that of course she should remember who you are.

This is great for avoiding the beginner 'Whassap' / 'Who Is This' / 'Overqualifying Response Suggesting Insecurity' / 'Male insecurity then placing her in position of power in the conversation' trajectory that leads into the pussy-drying nightmare of 'What are you doing?' small talk.

I always plan ahead as I go for digits, and store away anything that might be useful to re-open, (I'm good at juggling abstracts, but if you're not: immediately braindump any points you remember into a text file on your phone once she's out of sight).

If I'd been in your situation, I might have reengaged with a playful, slightly self-deprecating text like this, which matches the cheeky larrikin style I often use to game women:

Quote:

“I’ve been hitting the gym hard for the last few days since your impressive gun show in the park."

[beat, second message]

"Not cause I’m not threatened or anything. Really. I just love me some serious competition.”

- You're referring to a shared, personal experience between you two, so she knows who you are, avoiding the 'hi who is this' drudgery she has with the other men who contact her.

- 'in the park' is an added reminder of the place, to help re-suggest the emotional state

- 'not cause I'm threatened or anything. really." - seemingly playful self-deprecation

- 'I just love me some serious competition' - then swerve unexpectedly into teasing confidence. Of course you both know she's not a physical threat to you, but she's training to be a lawyer. She'll get the competitive vibe.

You might want to go a little more serious, in which case, there's bound to be something either model or law-related you could open with. (If Law-Related, maybe go for whomever is the Current Heroic Aspirational Female Lawyer on TV, then ask her if she'd rather be her, or Saul Goodman).

If she still throws a 'who is this' at you, she's either brain-dead, or deliberately jostling for power in the interaction, in which case, pull her hair mercilessly:

Quote:

“So, you show off your muscles to all the boys? I’m hurt. I thought I was special.”

or something like:

Quote:

“Huh. Obviously you’re going to be the Watson to my Sherlock in this relationship. Keep up, Dr. Hotone, the game is afoot.”

That's a classic Mr. Darcy Neg: impatience and a slight irritation at having to slow down for her. Admittedly, it might a dangerous tact with a Lawyer, unless you had killer dominant frame in the initial encounter. You get the idea though. She should remember you, and you find her a bit foolish for being confused over something so simple.

It's best to come up with responses more in tune with your own personality. I can only guess at the vibe you both had going.

Short version: Avoid her asking who you are by leading her back into her previous positive emotional state by reminding her of the meeting, the conversation and general vibe before diving in with logistics, and she'll be more agreeable to it.

Out of time here. I'll pvt message you tomorrow with another re-engagement tactic: "It's the strangest thing..."

[Libertas]

I was thinking of maybe sending some engaging pic with those re-engaging tactics. She said she trained in kickboxing so I might tease her about that.

Texting with girl from Friday is going well though the responses are a bit delayed. Gonna just transition into calling from here. It doesn't really surprise me since with all that escalation I did on Friday left a much stronger impression. Touching definitely carries far more weight than words. This might be the biggest disadvantage of day game and why it's so comparatively flaky.

[AnonymousBosch]

^ Good luck Libertas. I used to run Stoic Big Dumb Biker Game even as late as two years back, but phones have simply changed girls too much, as everything's becoming increasingly-social media based and girls are becoming emotionally-detached as hell, to the degree I tend to imagine them as having Flat or Blunted Affect in chat if they respond in one or two word answers. As such, I'm experimenting with being much more verbose in text chats to engage her emotions: in a way I'm merging my Facebook and Social Persona (Cheeky Larrakin) that entertain women into my Game persona (Daddy).

Phones are Entertainment Portals for women, so I'm experimenting with forms of entertaining clown game purely to get her back into my physical presence. Once there the dominant masculine physicality can take over. The longer our real world communication, the more I reduce Clown Game in text and start trying to generate sexual obsession via Freudian observations. The moment they start with Girl Bullshit on phones, (tantrums, mind games, 'qualify the relationship'), that's when I become Stoic Text Grunter.

Promising results so far, but, like I said, still experimenting. The hook is simply put them in a positive mood and keep them talking until logistics.

Millennial Girls are easily-startled fauns, and are aware of PUA techniques, so coming on too arrogant and indifferent on text just doesn't seem to be as effective as it might have 15 years ago on, say, Yahoo Chat. This is my INTJ mind looking to crack the patterns. To some degree I think it depends on where she is on the Alpha Bang Timeline: "I'm so sexually powerful" vs "My sexual power is fading and I'm bitter". Probably Err on the side of Alpha Arrogance is she's still young, beautiful and didn't seem too cynical, go more conversational if her flower is fading.