[Cattle Rustler]

(09-10-2013 10:54 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

Nitasha Tiku and Anil Dash appear to both be making 27k a year.

One can only wonder how much after federal, state, and NYC taxes.....

[Basil Ransom]

It's funny how these leftists get so mad their ability to read goes absolutely bonkers. They all got mad at this:

"Tech managers spend as much time worrying about how to hire talented female developers as they do worrying about how to hire a unicorn."

It simply means that managers don't WORRY about hiring women. They hire whoever comes their way, presumably. I suppose that's a capital offense to a feminist.

Samseau, thanks for the context on the 'pack of n***ers.' Honestly, I think that one might have done him in. I saw it and thought, "that looks pretty bad" and also "what the fuck is the context for that?" But the babbling feminists framed it as, here's this crazy extreme right winger. So when he says something like 'a pack of n***ers raping Jesus,' or whatever the implication is he's using it seriously. In the minds of leftists, right wingers walk around hollering 'n***er' this and that all day.

[Vicious]

It's sad but men with their head in the right place needs to get off social media. If it's required for your work in any way just make a company account that doesn't carry any personal info and links to a company e-mail.

At this moment in time we can't win any media fight because all that matters in social media is the tyranny of the masses. So just get out.

[bojangles]

It's sad that you guys are having your freedom of speech diminished. We've never had it here and we can get fucked over for the saying the smallest of things by the thought police.

[Tex Pro]

This tale just brings home the fact that it pays to be self-employed.

Corporate America is turning into a PC nightmare, and the sad part is so many dudes seem to be ok with that.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Better to save your energy for a real fight for a guy who actually gives a fuck about his job and well-being, not this clown.

Also, some of the dudes on this board suffer from cultural psychosis if they think the context in which he used the "N-word" even matters in this country. Keep in mind that even white male comedians who tell jokes for a living - no matter how vulgar - don't use that word, so why should anyone expect a C-level exec in a "public" corporation to get away with saying that publicly?

You can contemplate ad nauseum whether that's fair or not but it won't change the reality which has been this way for a LONG time.

Even if it wasn't that tweet in particular that led to his downfall (initially), he made a stupid mistake by making it way too easy for anyone opposed to his myriad views make him pay a price for it. He was so reckless with respect to who he insulted publicly that he enabled a diverse range of individuals to coalesce in bringing him down. No anonymity whatsoever nor any regard for consequences. This was an easy victory for the enemies that he provoked - not the other way around.

[Blackhawk]

(09-11-2013 09:18 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

This tale just brings home the fact that it pays to be self-employed.

Like you won't get blacklisted as a contractor for what you say? Like there aren't movements to boycott companies because of the owners?

Pax took a strategy that's common in technology: Become indispensable and irreplaceable, and they have to endure whatever you say as long as its not too public.

The thing is, Twitter was something akin to 4chan when he started posting there. Smart phone were rare, cutting edge, elitist and cool. Few people had them, fewer yet knew what Twitter was.

Now every flunky college student has a twitter account. And so its eroded from a private backwater into a public place while he wasn't looking.

Western Europe, and by extension America, has long had this double life. You can be a fine upstanding man of the public. You can also frequent every brothel in the city. But as long as A) You don't do your deeds in broad daylight and B) You always deny it publicly, it's not spoken about in public, only whispered about in corners.

I used to find this hypocrisy. But now I recognize it's actually a trait that's needed by a culture if it's to succeed when competing against other cultures.

Men can only be open about our true opinions in private among good company. We will always have to keep up appearances for the general public. If we are to live in a successful culture.

[Tex Pro]

(09-11-2013 10:20 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:18 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

This tale just brings home the fact that it pays to be self-employed.

Like you won't get blacklisted as a contractor for what you say? Like there aren't movements to boycott companies because of the owners?

Pax took a strategy that's common in technology: Become indispensable and irreplaceable, and they have to endure whatever you say as long as its not too public.

The thing is, Twitter was something akin to 4chan when he started posting there. Smart phone were rare, cutting edge, elitist and cool. Few people had them, fewer yet knew what Twitter was.

Now every flunky college student has a twitter account. And so its eroded from a private backwater into a public place while he wasn't looking.

Western Europe, and by extension America, has long had this double life. You can be a fine upstanding man of the public. You can also frequent every brothel in the city. But as long as A) You don't do your deeds in broad daylight and B) You always deny it publicly, it's not spoken about in public, only whispered about in corners.

I used to find this hypocrisy. But now I recognize it's actually a trait that's needed by a culture if it's to succeed when competing against other cultures.

Men can only be open about our true opinions in private among good company. We will always have to keep up appearances for the general public. If we are to live in a successful culture.

There was a time when men could act like men.

Maybe those days are gone, but let's not pretend those days didn't exist.

Hell, a popular TV show built its entire series around this.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(09-11-2013 10:20 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:18 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

This tale just brings home the fact that it pays to be self-employed.

Like you won't get blacklisted as a contractor for what you say? Like there aren't movements to boycott companies because of the owners?

Pax took a strategy that's common in technology: Become indispensable and irreplaceable, and they have to endure whatever you say as long as its not too public.

The thing is, Twitter was something akin to 4chan when he started posting there. Smart phone were rare, cutting edge, elitist and cool. Few people had them, fewer yet knew what Twitter was.

Now every flunky college student has a twitter account. And so its eroded from a private backwater into a public place while he wasn't looking.

Western Europe, and by extension America, has long had this double life. You can be a fine upstanding man of the public. You can also frequent every brothel in the city. But as long as A) You don't do your deeds in broad daylight and B) You always deny it publicly, it's not spoken about in public, only whispered about in corners.

I used to find this hypocrisy. But now I recognize it's actually a trait that's needed by a culture if it's to succeed when competing against other cultures.

Men can only be open about our true opinions in private among good company. We will always have to keep up appearances for the general public. If we are to live in a successful culture.

Beautiful analysis. +1

[Blackhawk]

(09-11-2013 10:35 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

There was a time when men could act like men.

And men can, and many do, still act like men today.

But here's the distinction that existed then, and still now: Achievements in athleticism, art, science, exploration, skill, and to a lesser degree business are for public consumption.

Achievements in violence, war, drinking, gambling, dope smoking, and fucking: Not for the general public, only to be appreciated in closed circles of like minded men that have been already vetted.

[Tex Pro]

(09-11-2013 10:47 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 10:35 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

There was a time when men could act like men.

And men can, and many do, still act like men today.

But here's the distinction that existed then, and still now: Achievements in athleticism, art, science, exploration, skill, and to a lesser degree business are for public consumption.

Achievements in violence, war, drinking, gambling, dope smoking, and fucking: Not for the general public, only to be appreciated in closed circles of like minded men that have been already vetted.

You think the men of "Mad Men" era would tolerate the PC bullshit of today's corporate America? No way.

[Cattle Rustler]

Pax was calling it in many ways. Whether it was mocking Gibson, trolling feminists (which I salute him for that), or making statements about Newton. Being CTO and having many people on twitter, I'm sure his boss knew about his deeds.

Nonetheless, he's was an employee and as in any capitalistic business ...
Money > Red pill, simple as that.

If the killer was a virgin or not, that's not a factor in the massacre. The kid was mentally ill either way, and sex won't help in that.

P.S - People have been saying the world/US is going down the drain for decades. The Southern Democrats called and want their slogan back.

   

[The Beast1]

Get off of social media. I'm very tempted to shut down my facebook account.

He shouldn't have been on Twitter. It's a blue pill mess.

He will however, be quickly hired back. He's a C level executive for chrissake. He's not hurting in the slightest.

If he's like other C level execs he has a hella awesome golden parachute. He isn't hurting. Our IRT writers are.

[Blackhawk]

(09-11-2013 10:55 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

You think the men of "Mad Men" would tolerate the PC bullshit of today's corporate America? No way.

Off the top of my head:
Pete's kicked out of his house because his father in law saw him in a brothel.
Joanie married a beta provider, then had a child by alpha Rodger Sterling.
Rodger Sterling is not allowed to acknowledge his son publicly.
Don Draper's secretary is black because he needed to prove how super-lib he is.
Don Draper just got put on "administrative leave" because he admitted he grew up in a whore house.

Seems there's a whole lot of focus on keeping up appearances and consequences for not keeping up appearances despite this being a fictional world.

Only middle class people are obsessed with showing only one face to the world --because most are one trick ponies with only one talent. For the rest of us, we're different men in different environments, with multiple facets and multiple exceptional talents. Some of our talents are to be lauded by the public. And other talents ...are for private knowledge only.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-11-2013 11:10 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

If he's like other C level execs he has a hella awesome golden parachute. He isn't hurting. Our IRT writers are.

You guys act like his title automatically means he is making big money. Hardly. I had a friend who was a "C" level exec in a small organization. It was mainly him running the department making around 40g a year.

He took the job for the title to begin with.

[Tex Pro]

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 10:55 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

You think the men of "Mad Men" would tolerate the PC bullshit of today's corporate America? No way.

Off the top of my head:
Pete's kicked out of his house because his father in law saw him in a brothel.
Joanie married a beta provider, then had a child by alpha Rodger Sterling.
Rodger Sterling is not allowed to acknowledge his son publicly.
Don Draper's secretary is black because he needed to prove how super-lib he is.
Don Draper just got put on "administrative leave" because he admitted he grew up in a whore house.

Seems there's a whole lot of focus on keeping up appearances and consequences for not keeping up appearances despite this being a fictional world.

Only middle class people are obsessed with showing only one face to the world --because most are one trick ponies with only one talent. For the rest of us, we're different men in different environments, with multiple facets and multiple exceptional talents. Some of our talents are to be lauded by the public. And other talents ...are for private knowledge only.

Show me when they have had to attend company-wide sexual harassment awareness and diversity sensitivity seminars, because I have had to attend these clown education seminars.

Also, the stuff they got away with back then (drinking during lunch, making passes at their secretaries, boorish humor at work, etc) would never be allowed today.

Get real.

[The Beast1]

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 10:55 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

You think the men of "Mad Men" would tolerate the PC bullshit of today's corporate America? No way.

Off the top of my head:
Pete's kicked out of his house because his father in law saw him in a brothel.
Joanie married a beta provider, then had a child by alpha Rodger Sterling.
Rodger Sterling is not allowed to acknowledge his son publicly.
Don Draper's secretary is black because he needed to prove how super-lib he is.
Don Draper just got put on "administrative leave" because he admitted he grew up in a whore house.

Seems there's a whole lot of focus on keeping up appearances and consequences for not keeping up appearances despite this being a fictional world.

Only middle class people are obsessed with showing only one face to the world --because most are one trick ponies with only one talent. For the rest of us, we're different men in different environments, with multiple facets and multiple exceptional talents. Some of our talents are to be lauded by the public. And other talents ...are for private knowledge only.

Sadly, the show has progressed into the latter part of the 60s when the morés of the great generation were starting to slip away and the boomers began destroying the old school american cultural fabric.

Don's drinking went overboard and so did the controls that held him in place. It's sad watching the downfall of great men. Victims of circumstance. The 60s and 70s saw the destruction of our country thanks to Vietnam and the response.

At best, red pill men should bite their tongues and laugh. At the end of the day we still benefit from being real men, get the respect of being a real man, and on top of that will rise to the top (as success always does).

This looks like a meltdown we see here on the forum. You have to be careful with being red pill as it can make you bitter and want to go out guns blazing against the wimps of the world.

Instead, use the red pill knowledge to control the world to your whims. If you can exact change because of your ideals, you will win.

[Samseau]

(09-10-2013 09:08 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Again I like solutions, not bullshit pandering and philosophy. I like to see results, no results = get out of my way I don't got time for it.

Well let's talk solutions. Your plan is the same lots of guys have: Make cash, GTFO of America.

That's not really a solution.

For one, no one has idea of what is the best place to move to. Most countries are just as fucked up as America if not worse.

Second, taking your cash out of America isn't exactly a walk in the park. I think it's just a matter of time before capital controls come.

Third, if America continues to go down the path of war and debt, who is to say they won't take the world down with them? America is 20% of the world's GDP, has the largest military in the world. It can seriously fuck things up for everyone.

At the end of the day, our plans for expatriation are just educated guesses, so your disdain of the macro is contradicted by what you think the best long term solution is. At the end of the day, you still have to macro guess like everyone else.

Here's a good example:

Let's say the depression deepens and capital controls are implemented in the next five years. People who have money abroad are found via the NSA and the USA government starts pulling all cash connected with it's citizens back.

The long term solution in this case wouldn't be to expatriate, but to keep America running so you can make money while living abroad, like Roosh is doing. In that case you'd still need to fight for America's basic freedoms, even if you don't live here.

Making money, while extremely important, will not be the only solution going forward. It's too simple of an answer to be true. The better solution may be to forgo making money in America, and instead set up base somewhere else and make money completely unconnected to Uncle Sam.

[Roosh]

Quote:

Better to save your energy for a real fight for a guy who actually gives a fuck about his job and well-being, not this clown.

There will be a case worth fighting for in the future. My diving into the Pax event has given me some experience on how to react when there is more on the line.

[WestCoast]

1. I already decided on two foreign countries.

To do this you simply need to visit ~30 places. That would be step one in my suggestion for people on here, find the places you like without killing yourself going to 100 places.

Micro commentary

2. Expatriate funds. This has also been done, again this is yet another step I suggest people do. You now have exposure to three economies. If the "world collapses" prophets come in I am just going to stop posting because all those people don't know anything and are just trying to instill fear in people.

Micro commentary

3. War and debt issues are not in your control and never will be. We are not in a depression, we clearly disagree on that front.

There is no prediction on macro needed. All you need is income from multiple sources. Health and a huge stack of money is the only thing that sets you free to not care about anything, this is a fact of life.

After that you're free.

Again micro commentary, control your life.

That is the best solution I can offer. Anyone living in the states knows shit is getting worse. So you have to shamelessly get what you can and GTFO. There are no rainbows and unicorns, your best bet is to be micro in your thought process.

If there is no solution I again don't have time to sit around a camp fire and ponder life. If I do that I'm wasting away dying. I suggest everyone else do the same, voice your opinion anonymously and only help those that want to be helped.

Real life gentlemen. It's tough out there. Play the game or get paved. The choice is yours. No one on here is going to change the macro and I will happily go on record saying a cataclysmic world is ending collapse won't happen in my life time.

[Blaster]

(09-10-2013 10:33 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 10:17 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Quote:

However, I don't think that detail mattered to the many members willing to overlook his use of that word regardless of context. There's definitely some measure of a Heartiste-like following on RVF.

Also, why the hell are people acting like Dickinson is some naive wage slave rookie delivering pizzas or something?

Because it should not matter whether he is a C-level exec or a wage slave rookie. It doesn't matter who he is, the appropriate response to words you don't like is not attacking the person's income.

Well, apparently it does matter. Otherwise, he'd still be employed at BI. Let's talk about reality.

Ok, I meant "it should not matter who he is" for both sentences, not merely the first sentence. The reality is he got fired because activists decided to wage a smear campaign and BI caved to the resulting pressure. My point is those activists are in the wrong and no one should excuse them, so long as whatever Pax Dickinson might have said counts as legitimate personal expression and political opinions.

Quote:

It seems like the forum gives more of a fuck about Dickinson than he does.

I'm more interested in the people who clearly don't understand the point of free expression and how it's supposed to work-- especially people who absolutely should including employees of a major media organization like Gawker and university professors.

I'm also interested in highlighting and castigating the dishonest, manipulative, hatemongering techniques used by the agitators; and preventing apologists from excusing these vile methods with bullshit double-speak about "Social Consequences."

Quote:

Also, who cares about whether or not his N-word tweet reflected his views or not. That's all moot now that there's information that Therapsid found showing his affinity for racist groups. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I don't care if the tweet reflected his views because my argument is about the right and ability to express views, however controversial and offensive they might be. The whole idea that digging through someone's views in order to identify them as a villain of some sort (eg, a racist) is the exact poisonous mentality I want to combat. If he expresses racist views, attack the racist views. Don't silence his opinion with a public shaming campaign.

Coercive techniques such as boycotts and shaming are best used to effect a policy change. There should be a clear goal. A clear problem with a well-defined solution the activists want to achieve. For example: ABC Company funding a government engaged in genocide. Activists boycott ABC company and engage in shaming campaigns until either the genocide stops or the company stops funding it. If there are any personal attacks at all, they would be directed specifically at leaders responsible for the harmful actions of ABC company. And typically, the attacks and boycotts are not vindictive or punitive, they're merely coercive and once the company has caved to the pressure the coercion will stop.

Coercive techniques, meanwhile, are entirely inappropriate as a response to personal expression. It's a violation of the spirit of free speech to engage in a witch-hunt of an individual person simply because activists tell a mob that he is an evil person, especially by twisting his own words against him.

Until Pax Dickinson crosses the line where he is doing more than merely express opinions, however offensive they might be, whatever crimewords he chooses to use, and whatever those words say about his personal character, then whatever his opinions might be make no difference at all when it comes to deciding whether I defend his right to make them or not. Think about it: what do you prove by silencing dissent? Nothing. You can't change someone's mind by throwing a temper tantrum and you can't persuade skeptics by burning dissenters at the stake (although you can scare them into silence, which is the point).

It's true that not all speech is merely expressing opinion. Indeed-- the Indian woman's speech was decidedly more than mere expression of opinion, it was speech deliberately intended to stir up animosity towards an individual. I have seen no convincing case that Dickinson's tweets ever crossed that line.

[Blaster]

(09-11-2013 10:20 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:18 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

This tale just brings home the fact that it pays to be self-employed.

Like you won't get blacklisted as a contractor for what you say? Like there aren't movements to boycott companies because of the owners?

Pax took a strategy that's common in technology: Become indispensable and irreplaceable, and they have to endure whatever you say as long as its not too public.

The thing is, Twitter was something akin to 4chan when he started posting there. Smart phone were rare, cutting edge, elitist and cool. Few people had them, fewer yet knew what Twitter was.

Now every flunky college student has a twitter account. And so its eroded from a private backwater into a public place while he wasn't looking.

Western Europe, and by extension America, has long had this double life. You can be a fine upstanding man of the public. You can also frequent every brothel in the city. But as long as A) You don't do your deeds in broad daylight and B) You always deny it publicly, it's not spoken about in public, only whispered about in corners.

I used to find this hypocrisy. But now I recognize it's actually a trait that's needed by a culture if it's to succeed when competing against other cultures.

Men can only be open about our true opinions in private among good company. We will always have to keep up appearances for the general public. If we are to live in a successful culture.

The key here is the difference between word and deed. Frequenting brothels is not speech. Donating company profits to an activist group promoting discrimination is not speech.

Free speech and hypocrisy are pretty compatible, on the whole. When it's important and relevant enough, hypocrites are exposed. The harmless ones remain harmless and unnoticed while the marketplace of ideas flourishes undisturbed.

[iknowexactly]

Wen you talk about what things should be, you may be right and admirable, but often the hope for change is delusional.

For most practical purposes in life, there is no "should"-- there is only "is" and "is not".

Girls "should" respond to niceness. Hell, they "should" even ask US out once in a while.
Rich people "shouldn't" use coercion, deception, and monopolization to make the "free market" what it really is.

I guess if you have kids or students, using the word "should" makes sense, as they might listen to you and actually incorporate your idea. Adults are too smart, they all know everything.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Most companies in the United States, including BI, are at-will employers, meaning you can be fired for almost any reason. If your boss doesn't like the color of your shirt, you can be fired. There is plenty of precedent for people getting fired for the most innocuous of reasons. Dickinson's case wouldn't even be at the top of the list, not by a longshot.

As for response, there is none. The damage is done. Dickinson's enemies won. He's no longer working at BI. Nothing you do after the fact will get him his job back.

Even if his enemies had a messy paper trail like he did, there's probably nothing you can do to those people who ratted him out aside from trolling and harassing them online which is an unproductive use of one's time IMO.

You had your personal goals before this situation and you still have them now. Meet them.

[placer]

OK, some interesting links:

Popehat, who I deeply respect, has written an article about the whole shitstorm: http://www.popehat.com/2013/09/11/pax-di...ernet-age/

Pax has been fired/forced to resign: http://www.businessinsider.com/statement-2013-9 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...fired.html

My comment: There is a reason my name here is "placer". There is some shit that the PC police will just not tolerate being said in public, and enough white knights and mangina idiots to support them. Red pill is for the few, not the many, so we will always be outnumbered. Anonymity is essential for our well-being.

Edit Since Businessinsider (BI) publishes mangina crap like "The Firing Of Adria Richards Looks Like Kneejerk Appeasement To The Troll Armies", I do not think BI was the best match for Pax's skills.